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Upgrade from 2008 mantra. Thoughts?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

Happy late October all.

 

As my visions of early turns in the east start fade, I am thinking about my quiver. 

 

Currently, my daily driver has been the 2008 Mantra.  I like it on about 70% of the days I ski.  It has been fairly good at holding edge on firm days and a lot of fun in the spring.

 

Unfortunately, the other 30% is just not a "blast". 

 

First, a little info:

 

I am 33, 5'8, 225.  Ski in the east (mostly Sugarloaf/ Saddleback/ Wildcat)

 

Looking for something softer, more nimble in tight spots (i.e. the woods), with much better float.  Skier weight is clearly an issue but, I am working on it.

 

Some skis I have considered:

 

Volkl Bridge - someone told me it seems silly to have 2 pair in the 90's category.

Rossi S3 - see above.

 

There is so much out there I feel overwhelmed.  Any thoughts are appreciated.

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 12

The S3 is swinging the pendulum too far the other way from the Mantra, I don't think you will be happy with that. You can get a little softer and more playful than the Mantra without loosing what you like from the Mantra. Adding a little early rise in the tip will allow the ski to be more nimble in the trees. Skis that come to mind...

 

Dynastar Legend 94

Nordica Helen Bach

Blizzard Bonafide

Line Prophet 98

Kastle BMX98

 

Even the new Mantra added some early rise but I don't think it is enough of a change for what you are looking for. 

post #3 of 12

What length Mantra are you skiing right now?   

post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 

Currently skiing a 170. I will probably continue to use throughout the season.  Was looking more to find something to "add" rather than replace.

post #5 of 12

Not all that hard.......look at the 90's skis as replacements not supplements to what you have. Then look at the wider stuff and the various "powder magic" features they provide and decide how much utility outside of the trees/bumps that you want. Rest assured there is no one magic ski out there and it's hard to make a complete mistake but you do need a clear direction.

 

Questions.......

 

>Are you keeping the Mantra or replacing it?

>If keeping it, then the next ski could be much more soft snow oriented and also wider like 105-120.

>If keeping the Mantra do you any desire for the new ski to have much utility outside of the trees/bumps etc?

>If replacing the Mantra, then another 90 ish ski makes sense although possibly not the the two you mention.

 

Probably the ideal solution is to get two skis.

  • Replace the Mantra with a better (narrower and more damp) hard pack ski,
  • Then go for a biggie. How big and how much powder magic vs daily capability you want will depend on you and also to an extent upon what you choose for the first one..

 

SJ

post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 

 

>Are you keeping the Mantra or replacing it? Keeping

>If keeping it, then the next ski could be much more soft snow oriented and also wider like 105-120.

>If keeping the Mantra do you any desire for the new ski to have much utility outside of the trees/bumps etc? I don't think so.  I am not a bump skier (I will dabble when there is fresh on top of it but when they are firm, I pass)


 

Does this make sense/ answer the right questions?

post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by maineskiaddict View Post

Happy late October all.

 

As my visions of early turns in the east start fade, I am thinking about my quiver. 

 

Currently, my daily driver has been the 2008 Mantra.  I like it on about 70% of the days I ski.  It has been fairly good at holding edge on firm days and a lot of fun in the spring.

 

Unfortunately, the other 30% is just not a "blast". 

 

First, a little info:

 

I am 33, 5'8, 225.  Ski in the east (mostly Sugarloaf/ Saddleback/ Wildcat)

 

Looking for something softer, more nimble in tight spots (i.e. the woods), with much better float.  Skier weight is clearly an issue but, I am working on it.

 

Some skis I have considered:

 

Volkl Bridge - someone told me it seems silly to have 2 pair in the 90's category.

Rossi S3 - see above.

 

There is so much out there I feel overwhelmed.  Any thoughts are appreciated.

 

Thanks!


Thoughts::

 

  • At your weight the 170 mantra is pretty short...
  • Most of the skis in your target zone are twinned (and/or)  have tip and tail rocker both making them ski shorter. You would need to get about 180cm in any soft snow oriented fat ski its going to get sizing something similar to your mantras in running length.
  • Something like a icelantic nomad soft 181 cm would perhaps be a good choice if you want a ski that works in the trees and still can be used on piste some of the time.
  •  

 

 

post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by maineskiaddict View Post

 

Does this make sense/ answer the right questions?



Sure does.

 

I agree that the Mantra you have is too short but you have it and are keeping it, so.............I'd look for something in the ~~110-120 range with a fair dosage of powder tech.

 

Rossi S7 - most popular pow ski in the universe. Best at deep snow, and not great anywhere else but you said you don't care much about that.

Atomic Bent Chetler - Much like an S7 but just a touch stiffer and possibly comes in better sizes for you, (ie: 183)

Atomic Atlas - Nice high rise tip with conventional camber in the last 2/3 of the ski. Aside from the big tip rise, skis much like a normal ski.

Blizzard Cochise - Stellar ski with good powder and great crud performance but may be a touch over your head ability wise.

 

Among others.........

 

SJ

post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 


 

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

Sure does.

 

I agree that the Mantra you have is too short but you have it and are keeping it, so.............I'd look for something in the ~~110-120 range with a fair dosage of powder tech.

 

Rossi S7 - most popular pow ski in the universe. Best at deep snow, and not great anywhere else but you said you don't care much about that.

Atomic Bent Chetler - Much like an S7 but just a touch stiffer and possibly comes in better sizes for you, (ie: 183)

Atomic Atlas - Nice high rise tip with conventional camber in the last 2/3 of the ski. Aside from the big tip rise, skis much like a normal ski.

Blizzard Cochise - Stellar ski with good powder and great crud performance but may be a touch over your head ability wise.

 

Among others.........

 

SJ

 

Thanks for the suggestions. I could be convinced very easily to sell the Mantras.  What makes it more interesting is, when I bought the ski's a few years ago, they said 170 would be right and I was about 40 lbs. heavier.  Yikes.... I wonder what my skiing would be like if I had spent the past 5 years or so on a longer ski.

 

The only reservation I have with selling is that I don't have the financial resources for 2 new setups. (i have an old pair of Volkl S2 Unlimited that are fine rock skis but they are also short...170 as well)

 

I would assume that, considering the current tech, I should look for something approx 185 in length? 

 

As an aside, someone mentioned the Armada TST to me...wasn't sure where it fit in the big picture for what I am looking for.  I had read amazing things about the Blizzard and have demoed the S7's last season.


 

 

post #10 of 12

I have been on the Mantra for 4 years. I know what you are feeling. If you want a radical change but awesome in trees, bumps and softer snow consider the solomon 2012. Go long ... given your ability to bend this rockered ski. Very quick in trees and awesome in pow. Can hold a good line if you get them on edge. The Blizzard Bonified would be another great choice.

post #11 of 12

Jim's list is awesome, every one a top choice for your skiing. for money's sake, go ahead and keep the 170 Mantra for firm and groomers and nasty chop, and take it in for a full tune, nice'n sharp, keep it sharp all season, and it will hold you well enough for now.

post #12 of 12

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