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Rossi S3 or S7's - need some help please

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

I'm looking for some help on deciding on a pair of Rossignol S3's or S7's.


Most of my skiing to date has been in Australia with one trip to Japan earlier this year, so I have only really skied carvers except for some locally made powder skis for a day in Japan.


I have the opportunity to pick up a "very well priced" set of Rossi skis and can't decide between these two models. I have a trip planned for Utah in Feb and will be heading back to Japan the following season so want some skis for these areas - I'm hoping one of these will fit the bill?


Most skiing to date has been on piste but I'm keen to get into more off-piste/powder runs on these over seas trips. Either way, I'm sure the snow will be much, much better than what we have in Australia.


I'm 169cm and 68kg and would class myself as a high intermediate as far as skiing ability.


I won't get a chance to demo either of these skis before my Utah trip.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

post #2 of 21

Despite what many here  may tell you my own experience is that the S7s are useless on anything but soft snow. You don't need 3' but there should be at least 8'' of new to ski well on these.

S3s on the other hand are more versatile but won't float and surf you in the real deep as well as the S7s will.


So if you need a quiver ski for the deep days + catskiing/heliskiing go with the S7s (in the 188) if you want one skis that will do everything get the S3s.

post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thanks apeyros for the advice - much appreciated.


You say 188 - I was looking at the 168! I normally ski a 162 in my Rossignol Z76 carve skis and thought the 168's would be perfect?


I guess I'm leaning more toward a ski that will do everything as I'll only be travelling with one pair of skis.

post #4 of 21

For Hokkaido, assuming you're not touring, the S7 would be the choice, but you should have no trouble with the S3. If you were day touring up the local non-lift serviced peaks (Iwao, Yotei, etc...) around Niseko,  the S3 would be lighter. As a rule of thumb for Hokkaido, it's ok to err on the long side of the length argument. In general and as you know, the terrain isn't technical, and the trees aren't super tight. Utah, you could go a bit shorter if you felt the need, but I'd think you'd have no trouble with the 178 in either ski assuming you're a lighter skier.

Edited by markojp - 10/20/11 at 9:46am
post #5 of 21

Alot of people over look the Sickle and Schmitar they are marketed as 'jib" skis but they rock for all around skiing.


The 174cm Sickle could be the best ski in rossi's line up for what you want.

post #6 of 21

good advice above and you do not want to go any shorter than that sickle in 174. 

post #7 of 21

IMO, the S3 is a ski without a mission. tip and tail rocker that's not wide enough for a good powder ski?? say again??

Get the S7, a 178cm should be versatile.

It won't be great on firm snow, but you'll be smiling when it's soft or deep, which is your mission in traveling, correct?

post #8 of 21
Between the 2, the S3 will be the most versatile. And because of the rocker, the 178 will ski like a 168 on the groomed and will give you more float in the soft snow. 168 would be much too short.
post #9 of 21

i would go with the s7's. there the same ski just beefed up to handle more crud and float better in deep snow. for a trip to utah and japan especially you are going to want a ski that can hold well in deep snow. the s7 would be the better choice because even though it is bigger and heavier it has a stiffer base layer which adds for more support which you will find very much needed

post #10 of 21

Assuming of course, that you'll actually get deep snow when you go to Utah or Japan.  It's not like it snows 8' every single day, every single week.  If you get S7's but don't actually get the chance to use them in the conditions they're best in, it's a waste of your money, regarless of how well-priced they are.  Maybe you can make an offer on both pairs and travel with a quiver of two.


Have you considered traveling without skis and demo-ing once you arrive?   I'm pretty sure you can demo either the S3 or S7 at a number of locations in Utah, swap out according to the conditions each day.  If not Rossi then they will have several other great skis.


post #11 of 21

Assuming you'll get deep snow in Hokkaido is a pretty safe bet unless you're showing up the last week of March. At worst, you'll get stable wind filled faces that are still really great skiing.  smile.gif   


"Hold well in deep snow"? Hmmm, haven't heard that 'holding' in deep snow is an issue for any ski. smile.gif

post #12 of 21

that's ^^^^ realistic and pessimistic both. But if you are ever going to enjoy the ultimate skiing experience, it will be on some fairly fat skis (like 115mm ish) in powder. So buy something  that can blow your mind, (S7), transport you to powder ecstasy, change your skiing life forever. If you don't own that ski, you don't get that experience. 



You did say one ski, so I'm going with that. Demo'ing could be great, but it's a risk (availability) for a great powder ski on a big powder day, though easy enough to always find adequate mid-fats.

post #13 of 21
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone for all the advice/help - some wildly different views!


BushwackerinPA - thanks for the tip - looks like it may be the solution for me.


RatherPlayThanWork - special thanks to you for the details of Blister Gear Review - a great site and a great help. I emailed Jonathan (the writer/tester on the site) and he replied super fast and was a terrific help. 


Gotta say - This was my first post on EpicSki and I really appreciate the replies, totally rapt with the help. Thanks

post #15 of 21

I just joined here to find a binding to go with my S3's but since I have a lot of time on both of these skis I'll weigh in. (My dad has a pair of each and I borrowed them for the last few seasons while my broke ass finished grad school).


As you already know the S7 is geared more towards powder skiing.  In contrast to some other opinions posted here I think the S7 can ski the entire mountain if you are used to the ski and are a good skier.  I ski moguls with the S7's without much issue and they definitely are fine on groomers (though SLOW).  That being said they don't do either of these things really well, but are adequate.  The S7 does do these things better than all mountain skis from years past.  The new rocker style ski with the camber under foot is really incredible!  Previous powder skis SUCKED on anything that wasn't powder but the S7's are pretty reasonable and fun on even groomers IMHO.  That being said.........


I think the S3 is the ski for you.  If you're lucky you'll get hammered with powder in the middle of the week and you'll be skiing it all day by yourself.  But...... chances are you won't get so lucky and you've never skied real powder before so don't get a straight powder ski for your trip.  I don't care how good a skier you are on groomers, powder is a different style of skiing and not something you're going to master in 1 trip.  AND.... the S3 is a very respectable powder ski for the powder skiing you get to do.  Others who say that you cannot easily do powder skiing with it are just flat out wrong.  20 years ago wide powder skis didn't exist and people were skiing chest deep snow handily so if you cannot ski 8 inches with ~100mm under foot you're not a very good powder skier.  Will it feel like water skiing when you're on 16 inches of pow pow?  No, but you'll have a great ski for learning which is what you're going to be doing anyway and if you're dealing with only 3 inches of fresh (which is likely), it does that nearly as well as the S7's.  


If you do show up to Utah and get that 20 inch dumping and for some reason no one is on the mountain but, just you demo the S7's for $40.  Such an event happens rarely, but should you be so fortunate, please do yourself a favor, demo those S7's and enjoy it!


I'm buying the S3's because I can rip it in the deep on them and they are more fun than the S7's on everything that isn't deep powder.  


............ my last piece of advice is to get ready for your powder skiing by watching this video a few times before you go.  I don't know the guys who made it, I don't work for a sponsor of the video but if you're thinking about powder skiing this video is pow pow porn!



post #16 of 21

I ski Australia as well as overseas. I managed to demo the S3 in July, but have never been on the S7, so take my advice with that in mind.


Your first decision point is whether you wish to make use of the ski in Australia.  If the answer to that is "yes", then I think the S3 will be the more useful ski.  I had a blast on the S3s in Thredbo on some cut-up, off piste trails (couple of inches of new snow over a refrozen-but-softening base, tending towards small bumps).  Those parts of the hill that were on piste were also a hoot, and that was an unexpected bonus.  For me, the two best descriptions about how the S3 skis are "they ski like a huge snowblade" and "it's almost like cheating".  My own notes on that ski were along the lines of "... you tend to forget all about the ski and have a hoot charging down the hill".  To me that's a good demo.  I'd own the S3 in a heartbeat and I'm considering trading up to a pair shortly.


For sure the S7 is going to be better in deeper snow - that's it's design brief - but take notice of how people react to the skis on piste.  Some say it's fine, others disagree.  Unless you live in the village and have discretion over when you ski you'll likely find stashes of powder on a local hill, but at least 90% of your day is going to involve skiing back to the lift and accessing those patches again from the top.  If you're booking a week or two locally you're at the whim of the weather gods, and there's a chance you'll not find proper S7 conditions at all in any given season.  May as well have fun for the majority of your day. 


On the other hand, if you're buying a ski predominantly for Japanese and Utah conditions, then feel free to ignore all of the above; the S7 comes charging back into contention.  I'll leave it to others to provide advice since I've not been on the ski, I've not been to Utah, and I've not been in deep Japanese pow.


Oh!  I'm +1 on the idea that mid-170s is the starting point for these skis.  They ski short.  I was on the 186 and could have gone longer again (if they made one).


edit: I'm 6'4" and 210lbs.


Good luck.


post #17 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hey Kysmith and Sinbad7 - thanks heaps for your replies.
Although you haven't swayed me, Im totally rapt with both your posts as I've since purchased the S3's!
I'll be packing them for Utah in Feb and just can't wait. The beauty is (as I see it), if the ski's don't workout, they are gonna make a fantastic Christmas 2012 present for my growing 13yr old son. Pretty sure I'll be keepin' em though! biggrin.gif
post #18 of 21

Good work.  Enjoy your trip.

post #19 of 21

Yesterday I demo'd both the S3 and S7 in packed powder with blowing snow.  I weight 148lbs, (about the same as you).  The S3 is a one quiver ski, able to do everything and very happy on packed snow.  It is easy to play on and a lot of fun.  But if you plan on off piste all the time the S7 is best.  On packed, even though the S7 works fine, it isn't near as stable and maneuverable as the S3.

post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 

AWESOME! That's great to hear - thanks.

post #21 of 21


I'd recommend the 178cm for you.

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