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post #61 of 68
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I posted this in another thread, but think it deserves to be here as well - some really smooth and elegant skiing!

 

 

 

I've attempted to auto-start the vid at about the 4 minute mark, but the whole thing is definitely worth watching.

post #62 of 68
Nice! What year is he coaching the kids?
post #63 of 68

Stenmark was the greatest racer of his day in technical events.  He was both efficient and powerful and had remarkable athletic ability.  Killy was so quick and seemed to have the ability to do whatever he wanted...."skimming" the snow.  Not too much edge, unweighting or pressure.  He was a delight to watch free skiing.  Both had remarkable skill and athletic ability but Killy seemed to really enjoy skiing but not sure about Stenmark.

 

Even today you can learn from both about skiing even though today's equipment makes skiing so much easier and effortless.  As a super senior I would not want to go back to those days (too much work) but I appreciate their skiing for what it was....skillful and athletic. The best in their eras. 

 

Bill

post #64 of 68
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Stenmark was the greatest racer of his day in technical events.  He was both efficient and powerful and had remarkable athletic ability.  Killy was so quick and seemed to have the ability to do whatever he wanted...."skimming" the snow.  Not too much edge, unweighting or pressure.  He was a delight to watch free skiing.  Both had remarkable skill and athletic ability but Killy seemed to really enjoy skiing but not sure about Stenmark.

 

Even today you can learn from both about skiing even though today's equipment makes skiing so much easier and effortless.  As a super senior I would not want to go back to those days (too much work) but I appreciate their skiing for what it was....skillful and athletic. The best in their eras. 

 

Bill


Racers circa 76-84 worshipped the ground Stenmark skied on.  By the late 80s, anybody with any race training was using the step turn, and like any "technique" many overdid it, sometimes in ugly ways.  Mainly, it was over-emphasized vertically (as in lifting the step high).  I thought there was a limit to how overt the technique should be -- really the point was to minimize the vertical motion and maximize the horizontal step when running gates.   But the step was absolutely critical to achieving the correct line between gates using the skis with impossible sidecut.

post #65 of 68

That's correct.  I was coaching in that era and stepping was more efficient with long, straight skis.  As you point out it could be overdone causing other problems.  The advent of shorter shaped skis was timely for me and has made old age skiing much more enjoyable.  I no longer race or even run gates due to avoid falling with my unusual disability. 

 

Bill

post #66 of 68
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Nice! What year is he coaching the kids?

 

I believe that film was produced in 1974. There's a copyright notice near the beginning, but it's a little hard to read.

 

Found this related info from Ski Magazine January 1977.

post #67 of 68
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Stenmark was the greatest racer of his day in technical events.  He was both efficient and powerful and had remarkable athletic ability.  Killy was so quick and seemed to have the ability to do whatever he wanted...."skimming" the snow.  Not too much edge, unweighting or pressure.  He was a delight to watch free skiing.  Both had remarkable skill and athletic ability but Killy seemed to really enjoy skiing but not sure about Stenmark.

Even today you can learn from both about skiing even though today's equipment makes skiing so much easier and effortless.  As a super senior I would not want to go back to those days (too much work) but I appreciate their skiing for what it was....skillful and athletic. The best in their eras. 

Bill


Racers circa 76-84 worshipped the ground Stenmark skied on.  By the late 80s, anybody with any race training was using the step turn, and like any "technique" many overdid it, sometimes in ugly ways.  Mainly, it was over-emphasized vertically (as in lifting the step high).  I thought there was a limit to how overt the technique should be -- really the point was to minimize the vertical motion and maximize the horizontal step when running gates.   But the step was absolutely critical to achieving the correct line between gates using the skis with impossible sidecut.

If one is stepping close to the fall line it would seem to add speed or not detract. If you step uphill more across the fall line it would seemingly add time.
In one of the Travis Ganong vids he talks about in speed skiing trying to release in the fall line if possible. (he says "down the hill") Seems similar to the step in fall line.

Here's Ganong. About 50 sec he talks about it.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ib99OFhDibI


Edited by Tog - 1/5/16 at 2:30pm
post #68 of 68

See 1:15 for an example of a well-executed step, showing why it was critical for getting the correct line between tightly-spaced gates.  See the final second for an illustration of how the step turn became exaggerated in free skiing.

 

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