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Need new ski: Cochise, Wrenegade, or Girish

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

I need to pick up a new pair of skis that will likely be my everyday ski, primarily for resort skiing and some side country.  I tend to like a harder charging ski, not a surfy type.  I used to ride a Dynastar Legend Pro Rider (raceroom construction) that I really enjoyed, but it definitely demanded you to be on them pretty much at all times.  I also used to ride a Fischer Watea 98, which was a completely different feel than my LPs, but fun nonetheless.  I guess I'm looking for a somewhat less forgiving ski than the LP that still charges hard, yet is nimble enough in trees as well; I guess more of a combination between the LP and Watea.  I've narrowed my list to:

 

1- Nordica Girish

2- ON3P Wrenegade

3- Blizzard Cochise

 

Thoughts on these skis?  I'm at a loss at which one to pick and likely won't have a chance to demo them since they're hard to find.

post #2 of 16

Suggest a search; Whiteroom has posted comparing the Cochise and Girish, and entire long thread on Cochise. Not so much here on the Wren, you might try TGR. 

post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 

I've read all the reviews both here and TGR.  I'm just torn and can't decide.

post #4 of 16

Well, IMO that's odd because far as I can tell from the various reviews, really different skis in feel, construction, and mission. Not like trying decide between a Hell and Back, Watea 98, or Prophet 98. Maybe it would help if you prioritized what you want in this ski-to-be.

post #5 of 16

I know that you probably meant "more" forgiving than the LP even though you typed "less". I can't speak to the ON3p but can to the other two.

 

So......keeping in mind that the LP is as good a crud blaster/charger ski as has ever been built................

 

The Girish is more like the LP than the Cochise is. The Girish with its flat tail and camber skis more like the conventional LP. The Girish is a tad softer and has some tip rise so turn in in mixed conditions will be somewhat easier than on the LP. Turn finish will be similar.

 

The Cochise with it's flat center and tip and tail rise is easier yet and has that nimble, surfy feel in mixed snow. The Cochise is no wimpy ski though. The center section has plenty of power and the tail rise is pretty low and it has a fairly conventional tail shape (non-twin). I would say that the Cochise is a touch more forgiving than the LP.

 

I have noted the feel of the two skis in mixed conditions, b/c that is where the differences will be most obvious. Both skis will ski deep snow better than the LP, and in those conditions, while there will be a difference, I don't think it is worthy of note. Both will work great for you. If you decide on the Cochise, you might be well served to git after it as they are approaching sell-out pretty much everywhere in the West.

 

SJ

post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 

Ah, yes more forgiving redface.gif.  I appreciate the help SJ and beyond.  I can't imagine I'd be disappointed with either ski, to be honest.  I need to stop making this more complicated than it is.

 

I just went and reread the thread on the Cochise's, and I think that may be the one since I can't find too much info on the ON3P.  At 5'11 and about 210lbs, I'm assuming I should get 193's.  For some reason, the length has me slightly nervous since i want to ski trees, but I think with the rocker, I'd be cheating myself by getting the 185's.

 

post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post If you decide on the Cochise, you might be well served to git after it as they are approaching sell-out pretty much everywhere in the West.

 

SJ



Not here; I think I have sold one pair!  Then again, they are still in boxes at the warehouse, and we ordered many of these, figuring it would be  great seller.  Selling lots of bikes though; I have never seen a fall this busy with high-end custom bike builds.  In Bend, the ski business is down the tubes unless you run a consignment shop, but this area is growing as one of the best cycling destinations in North America.  As a customer put it to me recently: I can ski 4 or 5 months a year, and ride 12 months a year; guess where I am devoting our disposable income?  It certainly feels that way since the unemployment hit 15% here. 

post #8 of 16

Here is a smattering of Wren reviews.

 

 

 

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144898

 

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146819

 

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147199

 

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153259

 

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153928

 

 

It has change a little this year, they eliminated the full twin in favor of a half twin, and put that extra bit in the nose of the ski, and have also put some extra taper in the nose.

 

If you really want an opinion call or e-mail them. They are usually brutaly honest even if it means they lose a sale.

 

It seems like you have 2 really solid choices in front of you, I don't see how you could go wrong.

post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post

Not here; I think I have sold one pair!  Then again, they are still in boxes at the warehouse, and we ordered many of these, figuring it would be  great seller.  Selling lots of bikes though; I have never seen a fall this busy with high-end custom bike builds.  In Bend, the ski business is down the tubes unless you run a consignment shop, but this area is growing as one of the best cycling destinations in North America.  As a customer put it to me recently: I can ski 4 or 5 months a year, and ride 12 months a year; guess where I am devoting our disposable income?  It certainly feels that way since the unemployment hit 15% here. 



Dang!!!  Wellll......bikes are way more expensive than skis but at least you don't need lift tickets.

 

How are skier numbers at the Batch??? I sure like the whole atmosphere around Bend. I'm not a bike guy at all but always thought that the Sisters Wilderness would be a great backpacking/fishing area. Might be as crowded as Desolation though.

 

BTW....thanks for the trade on that ski, ya kept Phil outta trouble........biggrin.gif

 

SJ

post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 


 

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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

Here is a smattering of Wren reviews.

 

 

 

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144898

 

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146819

 

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147199

 

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153259

 

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153928

 

 

It has change a little this year, they eliminated the full twin in favor of a half twin, and put that extra bit in the nose of the ski, and have also put some extra taper in the nose.

 

If you really want an opinion call or e-mail them. They are usually brutaly honest even if it means they lose a sale.

 

It seems like you have 2 really solid choices in front of you, I don't see how you could go wrong.


Thanks, man.  I've read some of those reviews.  I may shoot them an e-mail to see what they're thoughts are.  I knew the ski changed this year, just haven't seen much feedback in the new model.

 

post #11 of 16

Thaar, you could do a lot worse than any of the three.

 

The Wrens look similar to the Girish, but will be more forgiving, and nimble in the tight stuff.

 

I love Nordica skis, but On3P is way better, bamboo and carbon make for fun play, and damp stability.  Two traits you will not find together in a metallic Nordica.

 

That said, I'm seriously wanting to try the Cochise.

post #12 of 16

I haven't skied my 185's yet so I can't say for sure, but I've heard some suggest that the amount of edge contact on the Cochise keeps it from skiing much shorter than its length, at least compared to a lot of other rockered skis.
 

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Originally Posted by thaar View Post

 

I just went and reread the thread on the Cochise's, and I think that may be the one since I can't find too much info on the ON3P.  At 5'11 and about 210lbs, I'm assuming I should get 193's.  For some reason, the length has me slightly nervous since i want to ski trees, but I think with the rocker, I'd be cheating myself by getting the 185's.

 



 

post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post

Not here; I think I have sold one pair!  Then again, they are still in boxes at the warehouse, and we ordered many of these, figuring it would be  great seller.  Selling lots of bikes though; I have never seen a fall this busy with high-end custom bike builds.  In Bend, the ski business is down the tubes unless you run a consignment shop, but this area is growing as one of the best cycling destinations in North America.  As a customer put it to me recently: I can ski 4 or 5 months a year, and ride 12 months a year; guess where I am devoting our disposable income?  It certainly feels that way since the unemployment hit 15% here. 



I can take a conchise off you hands :P (but really I wish I could afford to buy a pair of powder skis)

post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by Bielz View Post

I can take a conchise off you hands :P (but really I wish I could afford to buy a pair of powder skis)



I feel your pain.....the Cochise is absolutely a great ski but one cannot possibly ski powder on a 108mm double rise ski.

 

SJ

post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by thaar View Post

Ah, yes more forgiving redface.gif.  I appreciate the help SJ and beyond.  I can't imagine I'd be disappointed with either ski, to be honest.  I need to stop making this more complicated than it is.

 

I just went and reread the thread on the Cochise's, and I think that may be the one since I can't find too much info on the ON3P.  At 5'11 and about 210lbs, I'm assuming I should get 193's.  For some reason, the length has me slightly nervous since i want to ski trees, but I think with the rocker, I'd be cheating myself by getting the 185's.

 


You'll be fine with the 193... I skied the 185 a bunch last winter but unfortunately never got to ski the 193 as it showed up long after I pretzeled myself. That said if I get to ski this year it will be on the 193. I'm slightly taller at 6'2" but we weight about the same. I liked the 185 but the added length of the 193 would have been really nice in crud, at speed, and in deeper snow. I wouldn't worry about the added length in trees, I had a great cat skiing day in low angle trees, tight ones at that, on the 196 Bodacious which is not nearly as nimble as the Cochise. I found when I sat back on the 196 it skied me and was hard to maneuver but the more I leaned forward the more the slight rise in the tail wanted to release and they became incredibly easy to pivot, smear and stop on a dime. Go 193 you'll be pumped. They have all the performance of the other skis yet they're easier to ski when you want them to be.
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 

Buttinski, thanks for the info on the Wrens.  I wish ON3P were more prevalent in CO so I could ride a pair.  I think I'm sold on the Cochise's for right now, and I'd be surprised if I'm disappointed at all! 

 

Wasatchback, thanks for the advice on length.  193 it is! Can't wait! Come on Ullr!

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