How many people per car do they generally get on those roads during the peak hours? I'd imagine it's actually more than 1, unlike most commuting.
Most cars I see have a group getting out in the parking lot - can't say I pay that much attention, but it has never occurred to me that non-family group skiers aren't carpoolers especially in this era of gas prices.
But how many buses would it take to make a dent in the traffic? I would much rather be stuck in my car with my own friends or family or dog (or all by myself) than I would with a bunch of strangers. I just don't see how you could guarantee that riding a bus would make anything better, unless you had a dedicated bus lane, and then you're into the billions of dollars again.
For a while Copper was selling Sunday night hotel rooms for really cheap, which makes sense to me ... people who stay up there even at a discount will spend money locally by eating out. Then you drive home early the next day, go to school, whatever. I guess it didn't work so well, I haven't seen the ads any more.
OH well. My only experience with the pace cars was a good one, but apparently that was unusual. I think because there was so little snow early, volume was way down, so it seemed like a good idea. And then it snowed, a lot, and the pent-up demand made things worse. I saw plenty of facebook posts indicating that morning traffic was far worse than normal last weekend, so it's no surprise that the afternoon was a disaster.
I would *much* rather be stuck in a bus where I can nap, read, watch a movie, work, whatever, and not put 200 miles on my car or worry about driving in any kind of weather. If there was affordable ($20-30 RT) bus service from Morrison I would be ALL OVER IT for day & weekend trips. I mean, there is essentially no mass transit into the mountains. As someone who recently moved out here from NYC, it's just insane. You have a metro area of, what, 3 million people all taking one road into the mountains every weekend... of course it's going to be a shitshow. You just need fewer cars, and the only short/medium term solution that doesn't involve millions and millions of dollars of development is buses.
That all sounds great ... until you have a husband, two kids, and a dog. Now we are talking $100 round trip, and what do we do with the dog? Plus I'm spending the night and have a cooler of food for the condo, and clean towels that I took home last week to wash ... I wish I could travel as light as Rachel, but alas. And that's what I was getting at ... a lot of people can go catch a bus, but it's not that practical for many others. So I think you can run buses, and it will be great for those people who don't want to drive, but I don't think enough people will use them to make too much of a dent in traffic. Plus, they will add to the problem of slow vehicles on the uphill, which is one of the problems already.
The train was the same thing, I don't remember exact numbers, but I think it was about $90 RT? and you have to drive downtown, park, load, be ready to leave at 7, I think it was. So that means (for a lot of people in a spread-out metro area) leaving the house at 6 or so. Well, usually if you leave by 6 am, you miss the traffic anyway, and it's a lot cheaper than paying for a train ticket....
I do think more ski buses should happen, for a lot of reasons, but I don't think it will solve the volume problem.
Sounds like RachelV should give Segbrown a couple bucks to be her personal bus!!
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I recall (from when this was a hot topic four years ago) that there are about 3 people per car average on ski weekends, so carpooling wouldn't help much. Likewise banning trucks won't make much difference. Removing 10% of the cars would make a big difference, however, since there's a threshold effect where traffic slows down markedly when it gets congested enough. They passed this threshold last Sunday, which is why the pacing became futile.
So lets say they magically double the capacity of I70. On a good snow weekend day The Basin and Keystone already run out of parking, Breck is jammed, you can only park so many more on the road at Vail or BC. Do we want to turn Summit into Tahoe?
I agree. There is no easy solution to the I-70 problem or we'd have already done it. And the crowding at the areas themselves is getting worse, IMHO, and is very likely to outstrip any I-70 fixes. Ski areas don't actually make all that much on lift tickets, they make money on real estate, overpriced food, and so forth. But they need all that lift ticket cash for operating expenses, so they're constantly trying to find ways to sell more lift tickets and passes...example, the proposed Peak 6 expansion at Breckenridge. I'm a Front Ranger, and have a pass at Loveland, mostly for early season, and a pass at Eldora, where I spend most of my time skiing and race training. Most of my Masters races are, however, on the other side of the tunnel. Or I should say "used to be". After I left Vail at 1:30 on Sunday and got home to Berthoud at 8:15, I think I'm about done with any skiing other than Eldo. It's just not worth it any more...
you could drive from nyc to Ktown in less time than that, even with traffic - not the worst traffic though, just average to not so bad.(of course, that means you've arrived in ktown, not some colo area)
If there's no snow, why is traffic so bad?
Getting out of manhattan and past the bronx- could be 1 1/2 hours. Varies enormously.