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post #1 of 7
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i'm looking for a new pair of skis and i have narrowed it down to the 2012 volkl gotama and the 2012 liberty helix.

 

the gotama has an ash/poplar core and the helix has a bamboo core. i am wondering if there is a big difference between the two; will one lose it's pop faster than the other?

 

any insight is greatly appreciated 

 

thanks

post #2 of 7

Based on ski company reputation vs factual info, I would choose Volk over Liberty all day long.

post #3 of 7

Hi - Bamboo cores are used by a number of companies besides Liberty, including Salomon and ON3P, and I think DPS. According to people I respect, bamboo has some mechanical advantages, including being higher modulus, and consistent but light, as well as being moderately green. It's a very lively feeling core. OTOH, it's (gasp) mostly from China, so that'll be a no-no for some. Poplar is used everywhere, is moderately light and very cheap (like bamboo). Not so high modulus. The ash helps with that and stiffer, more consistent flex. I think that trying to find a "better" core is not the reason you should be picking one ski over another.

 

The lifespan will be more a function of how the core is put together with the rest of the ski, what other materials are used. For instance, "foam" cores are trash, right? Die in a season, right? Well, unless Dynastar or Stockli use them. In which case they're premium synthetic laminates. Get the point? Different feels and designs, so hard to compare directly, but Liberty makes nice skis, FWIW, and these days get as good/better reviews than Gotamas. I'd take a 2012 Helix over a 2012 Goat in a heartbeat. YMMV. 

post #4 of 7

Liberty does not use a full bamboo core FWIW

 

Also it's your choice, but I don't see that these ski's have anything in common other than being similar dimensions in the waist. SO core material is probably the last thing you should be comparing.

 

 

post #5 of 7

If it means anything, Liberty is a Colorado-based company (although their skis are manufactured in China).

 

I heard Volkl moved production from China back to Germany because of quality issues. Anyone have any beta on this?

post #6 of 7

^^^^ They've moved production of some of their fat skis - not all - back to Germany. Did not hear that it was because of quality control, if that, hard to see why some of their skis are still being made in China. China's not so much of a bargain as it was a few years back, could just be the tradeoffs between cheaper labor but higher costs of logistics. 

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If it means anything, Liberty is a Colorado-based company (although their skis are manufactured in China).

 

I heard Volkl moved production from China back to Germany because of quality issues. Anyone have any beta on this?



I'm of the firm opinion that you can't call yourself a US based ski manufacturer if you have some factory in China pump out ski's based on design, and topsheet art. You are just throwing your brand on someone else's skis.

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