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Problems with Tecnica buckles coming undone

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I have a one-year old pair of Tecnica Icon Carbons. I recently got a footbed (which raised my arch considerably, it had previously been undersupported) and consequently raised my instep, raising the boot under the second buckle. Also, I had a stance alignment performed, which moved me foreward in the boot and allows greater flex of the cuff.

Since the alignment, when I am skiing, the second buckle (buckle on the instep on the non-cuff part of the boot) constantly comes undone while I flex the boot foreward. It appears that the combination of increased tension on that buckle (from my raised instep) combined with the foreward flex of my cuff is contacting the buckle when I flex foreward and knocking it loose. Due to my high instep, the buckle doesn't seem to hook into the latch at a good angle, and when the cuff hits it during foreward flex, the buckle releases. This happens on both boots, at least once a run. It is really unnerving to be pulling a turn in a GS course and having your buckle go "POP" and your boots go loose. I have tried changing the tension on the buckle, but with no success. Any ideas for fixing this problem? It seems like a really poor design on an otherwise stellar boot.

REVISION: I took a second look at my boots, and I see that the problem is not in my cuff knocking the buckle off, but my high instep not allowing the buckle to close completely. My high instep makes the boot have a more round profile than the buckle is designed for. Therefore, when I am skiing, pressure builds under the body of the buckle and knocks it out of the latch. I would need a rounder buckle, a different latch system, or both. Any suggestions?

[ February 25, 2003, 08:52 AM: Message edited by: dawgcatching ]
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Obviously, having the buckle go "pop" when you are racing is no good at all, but a more fundamental question is: Do you really need to be pressuring the tongue of your boots that much and inducing all that cuff movement (which eventually pops the buckle)?

A second point, only partially related: I presume you are doing this to pressure the front of your skis and not just the front of your ski boots (grin). Do you really need to be pressuring the front of modern skis that much? I'm sure you know from reading Epic is that the conventional wisdom is that modern skis should be skied with a more centered stance.

I know this is probably not the direction you wanted to go with your question, but I'd suggest a very telling little exercise for advanced skiers/racers. Get a bathroom scale and a book or piece of wood of about the same thickness. Click into your skis, and put their tips on the bathroom scale and their tails on the book. Now, try as many different ways (ie, combinations of joint angles) to increase the reading on the bathroom scale. What you will undoubtedly eventually discover is that you can actually increase the pressure on your ski tips without pressuring your boot tongue at all. This will feel like you are pressing down with your toes and your heel is trying to come out of the boot, but is being stopped from rising by instep area of the boot.

Another eye-opener for most skiers is that with another set of joint angle changes, you can actually increase the pressure on the tongue of the boot to rediculously large values without ever changing the reading of the bathroom scale one iota.

These two experiments dispell the notion that lots of tongue pressure and forward cuff motion is needed to have an effect on the skis. This may be the root of your problem (in addition to the obvious problematic design of that buckle).

Personally, I think of tongue pressure as feedback and support when I need to flex my ankle to absorb terrain irregularities and having little to do with tip pressuring, whereas the sensations I described in the first experiment as the ones to go for when you want to pressure your tips. Real skiing involves the appropriate blend of the two.

Hope this helps,

Tom / PM

[ February 25, 2003, 02:03 AM: Message edited by: PhysicsMan ]
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Try bending your bail to put a little more arch into it.
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Did your boot fitter recomend that boot for your type of foot? May be you need to be in a different manufacturers boot. A good boot fitter should be able to look at your feet and tell you which boot you should be in.
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