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post #31 of 52
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Originally Posted by dayjob View Post

Here's my dilemma - 

 

Skied the 2010/2011 mantras last season and liked them a lot.  Should i pickup a pair of 2010/2011's on sale now for this season, or wait until december when i head west to try out the 2012s with the bit of rocker.  From what i can tell from the few reviews out there, the 2012's are starting to get decent reviews.  Does any one have experience yet w/ the 2012s or advice?



The 2012 is a better ski and worth the difference. Get it now, before your trip. If you like the 2011 Mantra, you will love the 2012. 

post #32 of 52
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

^^^^^ I think you have my quote (below ) backwards. I reviewed it in Gear Reviews Forum. Also several long threads, including one by BWPA. It's a really nice ski, especially for lighter skiers. I don't think it's going to be as versatile as the Bone for the typical good skier who spends a lot of time hitting softer heavier snow at speed. I suspect it would be better for tight eastern trees with typical snow conditions. In deeper tree snow, it'll be a bit narrow, but not sure the Bone will be the ideal alternative. But note that I haven't skied the Bone. Just going by reports. 
 



 

Beyond,
I read your post correctly. I did not ask the question correctly. redface.gif I was wondering why you thought it is for finesse skiers. I am looking for that tight tree ski when things bump up real quick after a storm had passed through a couple of days before. So you are catching little stashes and dealing with bumps.
Josh, think Castlerock lift trails. How do you think the Bushwacker would be in that environment. It's not like I am going to be ripping through there. Pretty tight glades and narrow mogul trails like Stowe. Also agree that a pure powder ski for VT would be the "One".
Edited by nikonfme - 10/6/11 at 3:39am
post #33 of 52

thanks

post #34 of 52

Why do I think it's a finesse ski? Well because it's weirdly light, very responsive, lot of snow feel, very precise edge feedback, smooth and very grippy on edge but front can get deviated a bit in heavy chop at speed, seems to reward a light quick touch rather than a heavy foot on the pedal. Perfect for two days after a storm in the woods. Good, not perfect, for day of storm, where you'll need to bounce a little. It would be the best sidebounds AT setup in the universe for places with lotsa trees and not a ton of fresh snow. Thus the name...

post #35 of 52
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Originally Posted by dayjob View Post

Here's my dilemma - 

 

Skied the 2010/2011 mantras last season and liked them a lot.  Should i pickup a pair of 2010/2011's on sale now for this season, or wait until december when i head west to try out the 2012s with the bit of rocker.  From what i can tell from the few reviews out there, the 2012's are starting to get decent reviews.  Does any one have experience yet w/ the 2012s or advice?

Good question and I'd like to know the same.

 

I own the 2011 Mantra 184.  You can bomb all day on them and I love them for that.

 

However, this year wanting to get into more tree/powder and even bumps (just moved to Truckee), I'm looking for a softer tail.  The Bone's sound like another good quiver ski that could work.
 

 

post #36 of 52

I'm a big skier, 6'5" 210lbs, been skiing since you were physically and literally attached to the ski, with leather boots. Just bought a set of Mantras yesterday, guess based on everything I've read I should take them back eh?

 

Actually if I've learned anything over the years its that YOU must not listen to what others say, you MUST experience the ride yourself. What works and or doesn't for one, may very well be your ecstasy ride.....

 

BTW today's worst ski is 100 times better than anything I skied on in the early years. LOL

post #37 of 52

Everything I've read indicates the Mantra is loved by bigger skiers.  Lighter skiers find it too stiff.  Don't kiss it off just yet - it may be your thing.

post #38 of 52

Dayjob - I had the same issue as you. I also demoed and liked the 2011 Mantras a whole lot, even in the soft bumps I encountered.  My trusted shop resource told me that if I liked the 2011 Mantras, I would love the 2012 version with the slight rocker and slight softening of the tail and not losing any of the strong GS sole in the older Mantras . At 190 - 200 lbs, the stiffness works as an advantage for me.  I also considered the Bonafides as an alternative after reading and posting a thread in the forum, but ultimantely went with what I had tried.

post #39 of 52

I was lucky enough to be at Alta  in April '11 for demo day (when all the manufacturers put up tents and gave out copious demos).  It was after two days of snow (30+") with much more coming down.

 

There was no groomed stuff anywhere, but I definitely found that the 2012 performed significantly better in the deep powder than the 2011 - the ski floated better and was more responsive in turning.  The rep told me that was because the front tip on the '12 rises faster and a little higher.

 

In total, I demo'd about 10 skis and ended up buying the 2012 Mantra.

post #40 of 52

Lukas : You may be a bit light to really enjoy Matras in the bumps, but for Clydesdales like myself (230lbs) they rock moguls.  Not too much sidecut and good flex curve make sense for bumps, and big guys don't find them too stiff at all.

 

post #41 of 52
Thread Starter 

Well, after 2 weeks on the 179 Bridges with Marker Jester's... I've got to say that I'm in love.

Review (tear it apart if you will): http://www.epicski.com/products/2012-volkl-bridge/reviews/2438


L
ukas

post #42 of 52

I have to disagree with most of the comments regarding the Mantra's. What it really comes down to is how you like a ski to preform. Do you prefer to sit back and be less attentive or do you like to take charge and attack?  I've been on the same pair for 4 seasons and everything i've demo'd to this point hasn't come close. Yes they're a stiff ski and not very forgiving. It's basically a race ski made to charge off-piste. I ski the bumps with them and quite enjoy it. They're not for everyone but if you have the skill set to pilot them, they're fantastic.

 

I'm a traditionalist when it comes to skis and prefer a more conventional ski. That means a regular cambered ski with no rocker and prefer to ski in the snow, not on it in powder conditions.

post #43 of 52
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Originally Posted by Brumos View Post

I have to disagree with most of the comments regarding the Mantra's. What it really comes down to is how you like a ski to preform. Do you prefer to sit back and be less attentive or do you like to take charge and attack?  I've been on the same pair for 4 seasons and everything i've demo'd to this point hasn't come close. Yes they're a stiff ski and not very forgiving. It's basically a race ski made to charge off-piste. I ski the bumps with them and quite enjoy it. They're not for everyone but if you have the skill set to pilot them, they're fantastic.

 

I'm a traditionalist when it comes to skis and prefer a more conventional ski. That means a regular cambered ski with no rocker and prefer to ski in the snow, not on it in powder conditions.


I gotta agree with Brumos.  I have skied a few of the newer options and still prefer my 184 Mantras. They float just fine ( I use them for AT as well and they surf my 225 lbs in bottomless pow just fine). I have cat and heli skied with them. Hell, just a decade ago these would have been considered "powder" skis!  They carve nicely, are reasonably light for a metal ski, and I have no issues with them in the bumps.  They really don't seem all that stiff or unforgiving to me at all, compared to, say,  a Dynastar Legend or something like that.  Absolutely my favorite ski of all time, for what it is worth. 
 

 

post #44 of 52

Hey Lukas,

 You may have picked something by now, but I would highly recommend trying out the Fischer Watea line. I just bought myself a pair of the 176 Watea 98s and absolutely love them. They float just enough, push through crud when needed, but are extremely light and playful in the bumps. I've tried the Mantras, Dynastar 6th Sense Slicer, Shogun, etc and while each had its strengths none quite matched the versatility of the Watea. That being said, I have never tried the Bridge. Good luck in the hunt!

post #45 of 52

I love my 2012 Mantras in 177cm length.  I'm 92kgs and 188cms, (202lbs/6'2'' in the old money). They just rip on-piste with brilliant edge hold and are rock solid at speed - the same on hard pack.  As someone else mentioned in this thread the tip can move around a bit in crud but it still eats it up.  In 4- 6 inches of fresh with drifts to 18 inches they were a dream, again rock solid and good float.  I haven't tried them in bottomless powder but think they'd provide a good compromise of skiing IN the snow as against purely ON the snow (which a lot of super-wides do).  I haven't really tried them on large bumps yet so can't comment here, but should know in a couple of weeks after two weeks at Aspen Mountain!  As someone else here said, I think they work very well if you are a larger build with good leverage and an aggressive style. Maybe they don't do everything perfectly, but for me they're my ultimate one ski quiver.

post #46 of 52

Further to my post above and after two weeks at Aspen I can confidently say the 2012 Mantras are absolutely gun in moguls.  They flat pivot beautifully but when you want an edge its there in  spades.  Is there anything this ski can't do well?  This is truly a great ski.  Incidentally, after demoing the Volkl Kenja, Blizzard Black Pearl, K2  Superstitious and the Volkl Aura's over 4 days at Aspen my wife bought the Aura's, same skis as the Mantra but in ladies trim.

post #47 of 52

The Volkl Mantras are exceptional. I just brought a pair of 2013 191's which I have not skied yet..........................but demo ed a pair of 184 at Stowe last weekend.

Absolutely loved them and they carved like gs skis on ice.

mach schnell

post #48 of 52
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Originally Posted by altag4 View Post

The Volkl Mantras are exceptional. I just brought a pair of 2013 191's which I have not skied yet..........................but demo ed a pair of 184 at Stowe last weekend.

Absolutely loved them and they carved like gs skis on ice.

mach schnell

 

And that is an absolutely perfect reason to purchase a poorly damped 98mm ski that is mediocre at best in soft snow and bumpzz............great choice.

 

SJ

post #49 of 52

ooooh............. a little drama from SJ! :) Mantra-Bashing!!! LOL ............. I've been guilty of that a few times! ............ but in defense of the Old Mantras, as it is my current rock ski..... I'll dare to say that the old mantras ROCK the moguls ............... IF you follow the prescribed formula.............. drop em down a size ............. then they Rock the moguls, trees and tight spots, and are super-fun BUT..... be sure to put them away if the snow gets deep! ............. I'm 200 lbs on 177 Mantra (White Old School Mantra)

post #50 of 52

Drama?.......................I said it was a great choice.........geeeze.

 

SJ

post #51 of 52

My new Mantra's--the red ones--held an edge well, were too stiff in the bumps, and tended to dive in powder, which didn't bother an old school skier. My old Mantras--the same pair of red ones--float well in powder, are fine in the bumps, and won't hold an edge to save my life. Frankly I think it was the moguls that wrecked them.  They lost their stiffness and camber. After a while they started feeling like only the part of the ski under foot was touching on hard snow.  Note that newer versions are stiffer and wider than the reds.  

post #52 of 52

Skied last season on the red 2006-2007 Mantras (94) in a 184 and they were fun on hard snow... they were my one ski quiver last season... however, as soon as I added a 183 Katana (110) I only used them when it was icy boiler plate stuff... then I got a kuro in a 185 and quickly a 94 waist hard snow groomer ski lost its charm as my Katana did almost as well and they were much better on bumps and softer stuff and just a lot more fun... ... a Kendo seems to be livelier, lighter and does the hard snow thing better even than the Mantra..it still gives you the metallic klang that the tips make as you speed across corduroy   The Mantra is a great out west on piste groomer ski if its your only one... I demoed the newer 2011-2012 with early rise at Alta and it was nice and stable (98) but I think now the newer 88 waisted ski's are just as stable.  I'm 5'10" 170 and perhaps I'm just not heavy enough for the stiffness of the 184's like others have said...

 

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