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Dynafit radical and titan combo for resort and sidecountry/backcountry???

post #1 of 18
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I am a born again skier after about 20 years of snowboarding. I have been back on skis for the past 5 years and ski about 100 days a year,+/- 10 days. Ski about 60% resort 40% BC. I ski daily from 9-4 three days a week and 4 hrs a day the other four days per week. I am 6'3 and skinny, about 165lbs in the winter. I believe I am an aggressive skier,and have essentially been a life time athlete. I have been skiing skis that are 90-105 under foot in the area and 115-125ish skis for the back country. I use a set of Nordica Dobberman 130's for everything, they are cold but perform well. I am skeptical of using the titan due to it not being as stiff as the dobberman, but it could be a good thing to learn how to ski well in the softer boot. I use baron's right now in the bc and resort. I think they are great for the ski area but dont like the hike mode as much as the fritschis that I had a few seasons back. Mostly due to the "take the ski off piece" from ski to hike mode, and also, the pivot point is weird on the marker for me swing/stride wise...just feels inefficiant. A lot of my friends are going to the dynafit system, influenced by living near the tetons I believe, and they are a bit older and mellower skiers. The other half of my friends are charging duke owners who are a bit chubby on the hike but gnarly descenders.....I am in between these two extremes and my buddies are all very subjective in their opinions and loyally biased to what they own........Short story: my friends have no objectivity. I would like a bit of feedback on the dynafit system in regards to what sort of skier I am...Thanks 

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Originally Posted by butryon View Post

I am a born again skier after about 20 years of snowboarding. I have been back on skis for the past 5 years and ski about 100 days a year,+/- 10 days. Ski about 60% resort 40% BC. I ski daily from 9-4 three days a week and 4 hrs a day the other four days per week. I am 6'3 and skinny, about 165lbs in the winter. I believe I am an aggressive skier,and have essentially been a life time athlete. I have been skiing skis that are 90-105 under foot in the area and 115-125ish skis for the back country. I use a set of Nordica Dobberman 130's for everything, they are cold but perform well. I am skeptical of using the titan due to it not being as stiff as the dobberman, but it could be a good thing to learn how to ski well in the softer boot. I use baron's right now in the bc and resort. I think they are great for the ski area but dont like the hike mode as much as the fritschis that I had a few seasons back. Mostly due to the "take the ski off piece" from ski to hike mode, and also, the pivot point is weird on the marker for me swing/stride wise...just feels inefficiant. A lot of my friends are going to the dynafit system, influenced by living near the tetons I believe, and they are a bit older and mellower skiers. The other half of my friends are charging duke owners who are a bit chubby on the hike but gnarly descenders.....I am in between these two extremes and my buddies are all very subjective in their opinions and loyally biased to what they own........Short story: my friends have no objectivity. I would like a bit of feedback on the dynafit system in regards to what sort of skier I am...Thanks 

 

one name

Eric Hjorleifson

 

 he uses dynafits for alot fo stuff I think for BC use on softer snow youll be fine.

 


 

 

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I wish I could say that I ski like that dude, but I would be a liar! I cant even make renegades turn until they hit about 40 mph. I think he has a scabbed together titan/krypton boot, which also makes me wonder about the titans flex. I had a pair of Kryptons a year or so ago and they were ok, but still nothing compared to the dobbermans and after all day tours they killed my chins, but I think that was the liners. I am in need of new boots, which is whats driving me for the whole set up. I wish I could just put the dynafit toe piece on a set of dobbermans. thanks.

post #4 of 18

You are my hero. Just do it Dude!! Or you are a COMPLETE TROLL!!  If you are what you say you are, why are you here?

 

 

post #5 of 18
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Not sure I understand that reply. Why would I be your hero? Or, why am I being accused of being a Troll? I thought I was relatively clear in the fact that my friends whom I ski with are completely biased to what they own.....drinking the kool-aid so to speak...their own! I ski at a small hill with 2200 vertical and have bc access that is great. I do not want to switch boots when I decide to go hiking, its bad enough switching skis.

WOOLEY12.....I think you are a buttphuck!

Anyone else?

post #6 of 18

Where do you ski and how bummed will you be if you can't keep up with your chubby friends 60% of the time?

post #7 of 18
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Idaho, and I will be bummed if the chubby kids burn me down! Not that I can keep up anyway, but I don't want to be that much further off the back.

I guess, for me, are the Titans going to be stiff enough to hammer groomer/crud...daily, and hikeable....semi-daily? I bought a pair of Atomic Trackers last year and only skied them a few times due to being painful on me. They felt stiff enough skiing wise, but just not a good fit for my foot and the hike mode is OK at best. I have tried the  Dalbello Virus and its wimpy, caca for me, but liked the hike mode...tried the Solly quest 12/13(?) but it seemed like a fat footed(103mm last) tracker with one less buckle. I have looked at scarpa but have not rode them.

I do have faith in the binders due to Hoji skiing them way faster than I would, so the boot is my biggest concern, oh ya, and the wad of cash that could be wasted if $hit doesn't work.

Thanks

post #8 of 18

Hoji had to make his own boots and how often does he get new binders?  I think equipment is getting better and it's closer every year, but I'm still a chubby dukester.  I mostly ski Aspen/Highlands and I've still never seen anyone that could hang on a tech setup. 

 

Lot's of patrolers at Highlands use AT boots, but I don't know any on tech bindings.  Same thing at Silverton, lot of guides in AT boots, but all sporting alpine binders.  But both of these places are more bootpack than skintrack.

 

Scotty Nichols, race director for Aspen, is a rippin skier and he made the switch.  But he's standing on a course most of the time and skiing down a prepared course is a lot different than schralping the nar? 

 

Someday I'll make the switch, probably after my knees are shot and I can't keep up anyway?


Edited by SHREDHEAD - 9/29/11 at 12:08pm
post #9 of 18
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The more I ponder it, the more it probably won't happen. I brought home two sets of skis today and just dont see the binding or boot working really. I like the fatter side of skiing, but it would be nice to shed a few lbs in the set up. Might just build something up for hut trips and late spring peak bagging. Its just a big investment to either not use it much or be limited or hurt using less than optimal gear. Lots of our race coaches use a hiking boot, but mostly because of all the standing around or boot'n up courses. I  would be stoked if they just put a dynafit compatible toe piece on a hard charging boot. Have you evr heard of such a thing?

post #10 of 18
You could go with a Sollyfit plate that allows you to swap between Salomon bindings for resort skiing and Dynafits for AT.

[URL=]http://www.bindingfreedom.com/SollyFit-Swap-Plates-1002.htm[/URL]
post #11 of 18
I think the Dynafit binding is way more capable than people give it credit. There is also the Plum Binding option which is a CNC tech fitting binding on steroids.

Check out this video of a guy from AK on JJ's with Dynafits.


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Originally Posted by rug wheelie View Post

I think the Dynafit binding is way more capable than people give it credit. 


^I agree with this post...strongly agree.  .  

post #13 of 18
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The plate thingy is interesting. Do you know anyone who is using it?

 

Do you think the dynafit can rip groomers, bumps, crud and general daily abuse? I struggle thinking that its durable enough and then the boots???

 

Thanks for the info.

post #14 of 18

 

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Do you think the dynafit can rip groomers, bumps, crud and general daily abuse? I struggle thinking that its durable enough and then the boots???

 

It's durable, but if you're using it inbounds daily it's cheaper to use regular alpine bindings - get the plates.  The boots are durable too, but here's the thing, when you make systems more complicated - like touring boots and bindings - there are more things that can go wrong.  The most durable systems are the simplest, and regular alpine boots and bindings are simpler so if durability is your number one absolute must-have concern, go with alpine.  If you want to tour, go with tech bindings.  IME Dynafit bindings are as (or more than) durable as Marker tour bindings and Fritschis.  

post #15 of 18

Your style?  Do you dance with the mountain or is it a UFC cage fight? Makes a difference in your choice of equipment.

post #16 of 18

With a Dynafit binding, like the Duke/Barron, you still have to take your ski off to go from ski to tour mode.


If you have good technique and take care of your gear Dynafits can rip groomers, bumps, crud, and handle general abuse as good as anything else.  There is however the fiddle factor.  Every time you step in you need to make sure the toe is clear of ice and snow or you will walk out of them.


IMO boot selection is what has kept Dynafit or Tech Fit bindings from becoming popular in the US.  The new beef boot category is probably 80-90% driven by US demand - Factor, Mobe, Titan, Cochise, etc.  None of them will ski like your Dobermans but they ski as well as any freeride boot.  Last year I had a pair of Titans and a pair of RX130's.  For me the Titans made the RX130 irrelevant.  They skied different but as good as the RX130's and I never felt like they held me back.


I have never used the plates but I know people who do and are pleased with them.   Easy to swap bindings (20 minutes) and it gives you the cost effective option of using the same ski with either a Dynafit for BC or your Solomon's for resort.  The only negatives I have heard are from those who haven't tried them - to much lift.  They add 7mm of lift to your binding.  Marker Tour/Baron has a stack height of 32/40mm toe/heel.  An STH 12 with the Sollyfit plate is 24.5mm.  Dynafit with the Sollyfit plate is 27/37mm toe/heel.  Not a big deal in my opinion and a smart option if you are on the fence about using a Dynafit at the resort.


If you want the ultimate burly Tech Fit binding you should consider the Plum Guide.  Downside to the Plum Guide is they are very expensive and they will not have brakes available till November.


To be crystal clear, Tech Fit bindings have historically been a Euro thing - light, skinny, touring, multi-day, mountaineering, etc.  They have only recently started to address US specific demands for product - big, burly, freeride, slackcountry, side country, dawn patrol, etc..  If you don't know what I am talking about ask someone who has toured in Europe about their experience.  In a couple of years every boot mfg. will have a 120-130 flex boot with DIN/AT soles and a walk mode.  I also have some inside scoop that someone is going to roll out a  14 and a 16 DIN tech fit binding.


This season I am ditching my alpine bindings and will ski on Radical FT's full-time on a pair of Wailer 112RP's.  I am also ditching my Titans for a pair of Cochise because they fit me much better.  I have been down the Trekker, Fritsche, Barron, Endorphin, etc. path and it didn't really do much to enhance the experience - to much compromise.   The Dynafit/beefy boot combo radically improved the experience - little to no compromise.  FYI - I live and mostly ski in CO and usually get a few days in UT and WY - average 60+ days a year.

post #17 of 18
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Wooley12, would like to think that I have a bit of flow. That being said, I will try and muscle my way out of things in most situations. I have never broken a binding. I skied a set of Fritschi free rides for two seasons and in the end I could twist the toe piece to where I would fall off the televate, but thats it. I think they were still functional when I gave them up. Last two seasons have been on Barons  and they didn't break, but they became pretty loose in the toe pin, and clogged with ice under the slider plate...often, but still have never failed.

I do like hucking a bit, but nothing ridiculous....not real tricky either. I think I may wait a season and see what boots come out in the future, thanks for the info. rug wheelie. I was under the assumption that you could take the skin off while keeping the ski on in the radical model. I really enjoyed that a lot in Fritschi's. Do you have to de-ski to use the Plums? I can make it to Nov. for brakes!

Side topic: Have you guys seen the plate that you mount any binding to and it pivots with a televate....Sort of like a splitboard binding?

Thanks for all the info.

Ryon

post #18 of 18

You can take the skins off without taking your skis off then step in and go ski. Same with the Plum.  Gets a little tricky with long fat skis.

 

You can't go from ski to tour to ski like you can on a Fritschi.  If you don't use ski brakes on a Dynafit there is a way to twist your way out of the heel using your ski pole without coming out of the toe.

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