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Help my Dad pick some skis to demo (he's 63, oldshool skiier)

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

This forum seems to have a lot of activity and I figure there has to be tons of really good skiers knowledgeable on all the new trends with skis, styles, experience, etc.  I am a snowboarder so I know a lot about that, but very little to do with skis. 

 

My father is 63 years old.  5'11" 195lbs.  He is very active and in great shape (hikes 4+ days a week and plays racquetball most of those days as well in leagues).  He has been skiing since a little kid.  He worked at Mammoth Mountain in his 20's.  Back in the day he used to have 205cm skis, then 195cm, etc.  all manufacturers.  In 2004 or 2005 I think it was, we were in Whistler-Blackcomb and he demoed a bunch of skis and he really liked the Salomon Scream Hot and ended up getting them in 185cm.  He said they are great skis, but they do feel a little unstable in the flats when he may not be on the edge.  He said it isn't anything that makes him necessarily wipe out or want to get rid of them. He said they hold an edge great and unlike some older skis he has, he said the tails whip around well and just an all around good feeling.  However, that was many years ago and he would like to try to stay current and try out some new ones.  We went to Mammoth last year and the demo skis all looked like crap and the guy running the demo shop that day didnt seem to know anything, so we passed.

 

He has been pretty concerned about the trend for shorter skis, but he knows that he is just a consumer and if the mfgrs and the pros are doing it, there must be a reason.  He also knows that sometimes trends are where the tips are wider, tails are twin-tip, turned up, etc.  He wants to stay current :)

 

These are the skis he got in 2005 that were 2004 skis (i got them in the summer for him for way cheaper after he demo'd them)

http://www.amazon.com/SALOMON-Scream-10-Pilot-Downhill/dp/B0000DFZM8

 

Here is a video of him skiing in 2004 before he got the new skis.  I think I had a really crappy camera then.  He skis the same as then, just maybe a little more reserved and with less stamina.  But his feet are very close together as you can see.

 

 

So he has no budget, he is older, retired with money to spend.  What recommendation would anyone have for him?  Thank you so much!!

 

post #2 of 20
Where does he like to ski (resorts as well as type of skiing)?
post #3 of 20

I relate to your Dad in age, skiing with feet together and making linked short radius turns. Yup, old style! He is competent on skis.

 

Assuming the video is typical of his skiing style, groomed trails plus shorter turns, a new ski around 80 mm at the waist and 175-180  cm long would be work very well and provide for higher speeds and some ability to go off-piste. Honestly, not that much different from what he presently skis on, more of an upgrade than a breakthrough.

 

The next step would be a ski around 90 mm waist. More of a cruiser, little harder to turn, more competent over a broader range of conditions.

 

Many in the Tahoe region, start on skis around 100 mm waist. At some point, he should give one a try if he wants to experience more off-piste.

 

My thinking is the best thing you can do is research demo days at a local area and get him there. Nothing beats the experience of actually getting on a different pair and experiencing what they tell you. It's hard to go from the general to the specific in ski selection. Plus, you get to spend a day with him!

post #4 of 20

62 year old here - 63 in November. Living Proof is right and I suggest he also spend some of that money you mentioned on a couple of private lessons. Based on his skill level in the video he will learn new technique very quickly and be able to ski better, safer, faster and use the performance built into the new skis. Otherwise it will be like driving a new Porsche and no knowing there are 4th, 5th, and 6th gears.

post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 

He can make it down almost anything, but he doesn't enjoy moguls, especially at his age.  I don't enjoy them either and I am youngER :)

 

He loves Stump Alley at Mammoth when its fresh groomed.  Cornice if it is groomed and not crazy crowded and windy.  The back bowls (which are groomed regularly) at Vail are awesome to him.  Any good solid intermediate with a steep enough grade and groomed to where you can get enough speed and still make your turns without worrying about going too slow.
 

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Where does he like to ski (resorts as well as type of skiing)?


 

post #6 of 20

Salomon Shogun

 

Dynastar Legend 94

 

Volkl Mantra

 

in no particular order. speaking only of skis that I have experience with. There are others in this class that I don't ski.

 

length in the mid to high 170's

 

his technique is grounded in tail release and edge check at this point, and there's nothing wrong with that, IMO

 

disagree on needing lessons; a skier with that much ability will feel the additional capabilities of the newer skis as needed. Porsche's have had 4th gear for a while, and so have old dudes.

post #7 of 20

I'm 67 and got a pair of Icelantic Shamans last year.  On groomers they carve really well if you have some speed and they're really fun in powder.  I used them probably 80-85% of the time last year, even for teaching.  He might also like either the Icelantic Pilgrim or Nomad.  But if he never skis anything but groomers he doesn't need 110mm underfoot and should try the Blizzard Magnum 7.6 or 8.1 or the Rossi Avenger 82Ti.

post #8 of 20

Given that he prioritizes groomers, there is little need for a wider ski than say 85mm or so. Also, since his feet are close together, I'd suggest something with a straight(ish) sidecut, a fairly large tip to tail taper, or possibly both. I would suggest three choices........

 

Dynastar Sultan 85.....large taper, mixed snow bias but with plenty of grip for western skiing.

Blizzard Mag 8.1........straightish shape, hard snow bias but a tiny bit of tip rise that eases turn entry.

K2 Rictor...................moderate sidecut and taper but very easygoing, no surprises ski.

 

It would be easy to overthink this, but any of these three will do the trick. Naturally, if he is going to demo, that should make the decision for him (although Blizzis might be tough to demo at Mammoth)

 

SJ

post #9 of 20

It's possible that with a 95 to100mm ski he would shift away from his preference for groomed skiing. chicken and egg here. If your skis suck in fresh off piste snow, you'll prefer groomers. Expanding the terrain you ski is a great development for a person who skis that solidly. There is not much more to do (developmentally) on groomers; he's got that pretty much down.

post #10 of 20

Possible indeed......but not the stated goal. Naturally, if the OP wished to change the story and state a different goal, those would be great choices.

 

 

SJ

post #11 of 20

Listen to Sierra Jim.  He's got it right.

post #12 of 20
Thread Starter 

I am on the phone with my father now.  He was amazed that there are forums like this online and that people such as yourselves were so willing to offer up such sound advice.  He really thanks you all so much.  However, he has no desire to go off trail in the powder, etc.  He loves the steep groomers and he loves the way he skis.  When the time comes that we hit the slopes this season, we are going to have to call around first and see which places can demo us these skis you recommend.  Thanks again for all your help and obviously we appreciate any further feedback you can provide.
 

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Possible indeed......but not the stated goal. Naturally, if the OP wished to change the story and state a different goal, those would be great choices.

 

 

SJ



 

post #13 of 20

with that information, Jim is correct about width. you could also look at Kaestle 78, Volkl Kendo, Fischer Watea 84, Stockli XXL (or current 78) 

 

I still think a preference can develop from experiences with gear and certain conditions. try fooling around some time where you don't normally go, if the mood strikes you. the new gear changes things. just sayin' .  I wouldn't presume, except that I'm 64 this season, and still.....

post #14 of 20

Where are you located and what area's might you go to for a demo day.

 

Both SierraJim and Philpug are at Start Haus in the north Tahoe region and provide a ton of gear to Epic skiers. Phil is a friend and my personal preferred ski purveyor. He talks to a lot of Epic posters about gear and would be great resource should your father wish to have a phone conversation with a real expert.

post #15 of 20
Thread Starter 


My Dad is in Mesa, AZ and I am in San Diego.  We always go somewhere every year for a trip together.  Last year we did south shore Lake Tahoe, the year before I think we did Breckenridge and the year before Vail and before that Whistler-Blackcomb.  We try to toss in a Mammoth trip which he flies in to SD or Ontario and I pick him up on the way as we drive up.

 

My father used to own a cabin right on the Truckee River in north shore Tahoe area (sold in 1990).  He looked up Start Haus online and was intrigued.  If Phil would have a few minutes to chat, I think my Dad could definitely benefit from picking his brain for a few minutes.

 

 

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Where are you located and what area's might you go to for a demo day.

 

Both SierraJim and Philpug are at Start Haus in the north Tahoe region and provide a ton of gear to Epic skiers. Phil is a friend and my personal preferred ski purveyor. He talks to a lot of Epic posters about gear and would be great resource should your father wish to have a phone conversation with a real expert.



 

post #16 of 20

I can say this because I'm older than he is.  He's in a rut and needs to climb out and try something new.  Demo some superfat skis and spend a day in the pow.  He just might like it.

post #17 of 20
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I can say this because I'm older than he is.  He's in a rut and needs to climb out and try something new.  Demo some superfat skis and spend a day in the pow.  He just might like it.



I'm sure that is possible. However, that does nothing to answer the posted question.

 

SJ

post #18 of 20

Something in the 78-88 range for groomers, then something in the 100-106 range for deeper..

 

 

post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 

Hey guys, can I resurrect my old thread from 2011 and please ask for your current 2013 help?



My Dad did try the K2 Rictor back in 2011 when I posted this.  He also tried the Blizzard Magnum.  He liked the Magnum more he said.

He also tried a Salomon I forget what it was, but the truck was there that day.

 

 

FAST FORWARD 2013....

 

 

He is retired from working as of last week.  He is very financially secure now and said he wants new skis this year.  He didnt buy any in 2011 because he said the difference between his Salomon Screaming Hot skis he has was nothing he could feel as major.

 

 

We are going to Aspen in 3 weeks.  I want him to demo some skis.  For 2013, what would you guys recommend?  I really do appreciate this.

post #20 of 20

You might want to check out the new Rossi Pursuit series; the 80 is front side ski of the year in a few of the magazines,they also have the 18 that is 76 waisted and i have the 16 that is 74 waisted.The 18 & 16 don't have any metal which I think makes them very versitle for mammoth , our snow hardly ever gets real slippery so you don't have to have that stiff front end of a real slalom ski,mine are in the attic now! You can get them in 177 which i think is a good length for a versitle front side ski.And like your dad i also worked at mammoth;dishwasher winter of 82/83.Good luck and don't ever forget..............ROSSIGNOL KNOWS HOW TO MAKE A FRONT SIDE SKI!!!! ( if i knew how to put that smilly face thing in i would have used it)
 

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