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Atomic Bent Chetler vs Armada jj

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 

Hi,

So, I've been looking at getting a pair of all mtn skis for this season. I will be skiing mostly off-piste in British Columbia, but also want a ski that will do groomers for the non pow days. I like high speed GS turns as well. I am 5'11" and weigh 160 lbs, and have already bought the 2012 Armada JJ, but my brother wants to buy them off of me, so I was wondering if I should sell the JJs and get the 2012 Atomic Bent Chetlers? I've read every review I can find, and now am starting to read reviews in different languages, but i would like your input. Oh, and BTW, I'd rank myself as a high intermediate to advanced skier. If anyone has skied these 2012 skies, some input on them would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again,

Frank

 

post #2 of 15

If you haven't already, search TGR Tech Talk as this is a very common question and several threads there address your concerns.

post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the reply Dave.

Yep, I've read all the TGR reviews. What I really want is some input on the 2012 Bent Chetler model, since I know they have made some changes for this year. I've only found one review of the 2012 model so far, and apparently they are better in almost all aspects compared to the Armada JJ. I guess not a lot of people have been able to ski this years model, however.

Anyways, thanks for the help,

Frank

post #4 of 15

He's your brother, and he won't share?  Is it like the JJ's will be lost forever if your brother gets his paws on them?

post #5 of 15

I wouldn't say the Bents are good at high speed groomers.  You can ski them on groomers, but when it's bony you'll suffer. 

post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 

@SpikeDog:

No, my brother will share, but usually we go skiing to together, and I don't feel like letting him sit in the lodge while I'm off with his skis.

 

@Dino:

Is that the 2012 model you're talking about.

 

Thanks,

 

frank

post #7 of 15

Honestly such similar skis. In my opinion, the JJ is more fun in deeper snow. Although not as poppy and playful as the Bent. The JJ SLAYS anywhere. Best all mountain ski i've ridden. The Bent is great to, but its deffinitly not as good on piste. 

post #8 of 15

I didn't think there were any changes at least to the 183's?  JJ's ski lighter- more easily knocked around and 115 vs 123 underfoot - I only skied the JJ once and liked it and owned the Benny last season.  Both are great skis. why not look at a sali  Rocker II or a DPS 112 as well?

post #9 of 15

Bent Chetlers are not much of a choice for "high speed GS turns" on hard groomers for an intermediate to advanced. Neither are JJ's. Suggest some triage here: Decide what's more important to you, slaying soft snow or having an all around that will handle hardpack and higher speeds as well as pow. Either the BC or the JJ's will rock soft snow, although in slightly different ways, and survive groomer hardpack if they (and you) have to. But if you want more of an all-around, think about something like a Sollie Sentinel, Blizzard Bonafide, Prophet 98, PM Gear 183, ON3P Jeronimo, you get the idea. 

post #10 of 15


I just kinda brushed over that part of the request thinking he was mistaken.....biggrin.gif  the dps 112 will give the best on piste performance or even a Icelantic Shaman as far as pow skis go. 

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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

Bent Chetlers are not much of a choice for "high speed GS turns" on hard groomers for an intermediate to advanced. Neither are JJ's. Suggest some triage here: Decide what's more important to you, slaying soft snow or having an all around that will handle hardpack and higher speeds as well as pow. Either the BC or the JJ's will rock soft snow, although in slightly different ways, and survive groomer hardpack if they (and you) have to. But if you want more of an all-around, think about something like a Sollie Sentinel, Blizzard Bonafide, Prophet 98, PM Gear 183, ON3P Jeronimo, you get the idea. 



 

post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks for all the input. I'm not going to be doing much on-piste hopefully, only when there's no other choice. So, i guess i'll just stick with my JJs.

Thanks again,

Frank

post #12 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by beyond View Post

Bent Chetlers are not much of a choice for "high speed GS turns" on hard groomers for an intermediate to advanced. Neither are JJ's. Suggest some triage here: Decide what's more important to you, slaying soft snow or having an all around that will handle hardpack and higher speeds as well as pow. Either the BC or the JJ's will rock soft snow, although in slightly different ways, and survive groomer hardpack if they (and you) have to. But if you want more of an all-around, think about something like a Sollie Sentinel, Blizzard Bonafide, Prophet 98, PM Gear 183, ON3P Jeronimo, you get the idea. 


In the ON3P lineup I would actually put the Jeffery or the Caylor up against the BC, and JJ if you would like the option of a pow ski that can rip a groomer. I easily use the Caylor on most days in the PNW, but i'm looking to add a Jeffery.

 

post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 

Another ski that I'm interested in is the 184 Moment Bibby Pro. Can anyone compare it to the JJ or BC?

Thanks,

Frank

post #14 of 15

never skied, but it's much stiffer. I would search or ask (carefully if you are a newb there) on TGR.  there are a lot of Moment folks there including the owners.....

post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post

Another ski that I'm interested in is the 184 Moment Bibby Pro. Can anyone compare it to the JJ or BC?

Thanks,

Frank


I think that the concensus is that overall the Bibby is stiffer throughout the ski, and not just underfoot like the JJ, and BC.

 

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