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post #31 of 47

Last year I traded skis with one of our ski school instructors during clinic. He had the Rossi Experience 98. I loved them. Told him he could keep my 82's. He loved the carvability of my skis, but I was looking at his skis as a more overall "do all" ski. My Rossi TI 82's are only 162cm with a 17 meter radius. His were 188cm with a 22 - 25 meter radius. Yet I found the wood core and early tip rise easy to handle, allowed the same carving ability and handled better in the off-piste crud we have in the NW. In bumps, no question my 82's were preferable, which the other instructor appreciated. So, my vote would be the Experience 98 over other skis for versatility. 

post #32 of 47
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OP here. After skiing my 98's for 2 seasons as my all mountain western ski trip ski I still love them. I now have 4 western trips (around 25 days) on them and "experienced" just about every condition imaginable. Hard pack and wind fluff at Mammoth during an off snow year, wet sticky snow one day and15" of new powder the next at Big Sky, heavy snow at Whistler and packed powder and hard pack at Copper. At all of those resorts I skied groomers, bumps, trees, steeps and chutes and of course powder when ever I coul find it. The 98's handled them all well and never felt out of place.

The only downside is that at Whistler last year after only about 16 days on the skis, I noticed a crack in the cosmetic layer on the tip right where you see the outline of the top metal layer. The ski still performed fine, but I ended up sending them back to Rossi when I got home and they sent me a new pair. First time in 40 years that I had to send a ski back for warranty. But Rossi made good and the replacement ski felt identical to the original pair when I skied Copper at the end of last season.

These will probably remain my western ski for another season or two.

Rick G
post #33 of 47
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These will probably remain my western ski for another season or two.

Rick G
As they should, the E98 is a great ski.
post #34 of 47
Hey all

Not sure if anyone is still reading this thread - but I just skiied the 98's in the best day on Mt Hood all year. Went with the 180's (5'10, 200, 8-9 skill) and they worked well in about 6 inches of cascade fluff, and handled the hard stuff too! Actually, they worked great!

But I tell ya, after skiing the longer lengths for the past several years (Bandit XX 191, and XXX 188 - yeah, Rossignol fan smile.gif) I am considering going to the 188's. The 180's were amazing but definitely wanted to turn. Maybe it's just getting used to them, but I found I had to definitely ski a litte differently to crank a nice long GS turn. With the profile, they seem to ski shorter

Any one out there of my size and skill on the 188's?

Thanks!

Tom
post #35 of 47
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So I think I am going to finally go big, at least big for a mostly eastern skier who also takes 1 or 2 trips out west a year. Right now the two skis that I am considering are the Blizzard Bonafide and the Rossignal Experience 98.  Both skis seem to be similar in size and intended use.  Both got great reviews in the mags.  Both are being sold in the ski shop I work P/T at.  So which way do I go?

As for my skiing, I am a solid level 8/9 skier who will ski all over the mountain.  Everything from high speed rippers to bumps, trees and of course Pow!  I also race in an adult race program and got bumped up to A Vet last year so I am fairly technical in my skiing.

For my all mountain ski (non race weekends), which this ski would become replacing my AC30's, I want a ski that will hold an edge, be playful yet forgiving and won't give up the ship when things get rough.

At the end of last season I had the opportunity to try the Bushwacker and Experience 88 and liked them both fairly evenly, but theyare only 8mm wider under foot than my AC30's so my thinking is, if I want a ski to take out west, might as well go bigger to the 95-100 range.  We do have a demo day coming up in December and will attempt to demo then, but I would be very interested in those who have had the time to ski both and tell me what you think.  What are the pro's and con's of each.

Many thanks!

Rick G
Demoed the e98 and the bone. Liked them both but ended up buying the bone. If I lived in the east I might have preferred the e98.
post #36 of 47
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Hey all

Not sure if anyone is still reading this thread - but I just skiied the 98's in the best day on Mt Hood all year. Went with the 180's (5'10, 200, 8-9 skill) and they worked well in about 6 inches of cascade fluff, and handled the hard stuff too! Actually, they worked great!

But I tell ya, after skiing the longer lengths for the past several years (Bandit XX 191, and XXX 188 - yeah, Rossignol fan smile.gif) I am considering going to the 188's. The 180's were amazing but definitely wanted to turn. Maybe it's just getting used to them, but I found I had to definitely ski a litte differently to crank a nice long GS turn. With the profile, they seem to ski shorter

Any one out there of my size and skill on the 188's?

Thanks!

Tom

Tom, at your size for Hood, the 188 would be fine. There's nothing that tight and technical, and you've got some acreage to lett'em rip. if you came up to Crystal or similar, the 180 would be your ticket.

(You ski the XXX in only the 188? Sissy! wink.gif )
post #37 of 47
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As they should, the E98 is a great ski.

Phil, looking forward to your report on the 2015 replacement.
post #38 of 47

I am new to the site and very happy to see that you guys are taking your time to advice the newcomers to the sport and forum.

 

I need an advice to which ski to buy as this question is killing me. Quick info about myself, 49 yrs 5"10, 175lb very athletic, ex fighter pilot. I got the ski bug 8 years ago and I am hooked. I ski about 2 weeks per year (job and family issues) and like mostly groomed and going fast. Gear price not an issue but I do not think more expensive is necessarily better. That being said, my current ski is Blizzard Supersonic 174cm. Went to Taos this week and talking to the guys from Boot Doctor I realized that my ski does not suit me. I demoed Experience 98 on groomed hard snow and was not impressed. Than I got the Volkl Vwerks 176 and I was convinced that I found my match. Perfect ski for me until it started snowing and I realized it puts some stress on my knees. My friend suggested to try a wider ski as it was included in the price. I got the Bonafide 173 and boy that was a wakening. I was floating over the bumps, no stress on my knees and was very happy, never thought that I would be on a ski that looks like a slipper. Next day the runs were groomed and I was eager to see how it performs. Excellent is my word, I was able to go as fast as fast as I could and be very in control. I think the volkl felt better on groomed but overall I would take the Bonafide any day.

 

Here is my dilemma now that I read more about Bonafide and I realized the type of ski I like (boy was I wrong with the Supersonic, that ski does not like to go straight and it is like a goat in the tree, always wanting to go left or right) should I go longer to 180 and what about Kastle MX88 and Stockli. Would be nice to demo all these skis but it might not be realistic. In a few words, I want the best ski for me.

 

Thanks for your advice, never thought I will be so hooked on this sport I should have retired from instead of starting it.

post #39 of 47

^^^^^ You posted the same thing on another thread. Calm down with the redundancy. We've read it. 

post #40 of 47
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^^^^^ You posted the same thing on another thread. Calm down with the redundancy. We've read it. 

We have someone the might be trying to figure out internet etiquette...lets let the chips fall as they amy and maybe answer the  question, even it is is copy/paste in two spots, there was a day where it was your first day on a forum so lets be welcoming and nice. 

post #41 of 47
Sorry for the inconvenience, thought some of the threads are closed and did not see how to delete the duplicates after that. I usually get the point and not need an attitude. Sorry again. Yes, I am 17 when skiing.
post #42 of 47

Lukez, at your size and ability, the 180 Bonafide is not out of the question.  Certainly as you get your groove back and particularly if you like to open things up at speed.  The Bones ski short, and 180 is likely not beyond your ability.  The 180 E98, yes, but the 180 Bones, no.  It's still very forgiving.  Unless you're only interested in trees and bumps (which sounds like you're not), the 180 Bones is money.  Get it and to quote Phil, Ski it like you stole it.

post #43 of 47
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 I got the Bonafide 173 and boy that was a wakening. I was floating over the bumps, no stress on my knees and was very happy, never thought that I would be on a ski that looks like a slipper. Next day the runs were groomed and I was eager to see how it performs. Excellent is my word, I was able to go as fast as fast as I could and be very in control. I think the volkl felt better on groomed but overall I would take the Bonafide any day.

 

If you skied the 173 and it was perfect for you on the groomed (sufficiently stable) and a fun ride that you could manage off-piste why would you size up?  Because a stranger on an internet board said so?  To have a more 'bro number on the bottom of the ski?

 

5'10, 175 is in range for the 173 if you favor quick and fun over solid and bomber.  We know very little about your ability - hard to assess.  Learned as an adult, 8 years of experience, 2 weeks per season (that's 10 - 15 ski days a season), seems that you travel to ski (don't live near a mountain).  Even if you are an Olympic decathlete, there are a few "tells" there when combined with your actual demo report that suggest you'd have more fun on the shorter length.  You don't see @Philpug pushing you up to 180 - and he may very well sell more Blizzards than anyone on the planet.

 

Seems like you figured it out - not sure why you'd change the course without a demo to validate the wisdom.  Modern skis, especially wider skis, change character at different lengths.  It isn't that you couldn't ski a 180 - you probably could.  The question is would you want to?  Would it be as much fun as what you experienced on the 173.  180 will feel "bigger" than the 173 and definitely bigger than the 176 Volkl.  More rewarding at high speed in junky snow, harder work in bumps and tight spaces but still manageable if you have the skill base and confidence.  But if you are feeling solid on the 173, what's the point?  180 will ride damper, more like the E98, but a bit looser and more modern in the tip and tail.

 

As for the MX 178, different ski.  More technically demanding, more traditional feel.  Better on the groomers, less easy off piste.  If you want narrower, the Brahma is closer to the Bonafide.  I'd go with your on mountain demo experience and call it done.

post #44 of 47

Impressed by the quality of comments and humbled by you taking your time, and not smile, to advice someone new to the sport. I recognize that I do not understand some of your technical comments but I get the idea. I think I have a plan to go forward and before I will ask you, last time, for an advise, let me add a few more pieces to the puzzle. I learned how to ski by myself, and after 4 days I was skiing groomed black. No technique all athletic abilities and a big hart (less brain probably). Right now, skiing feels and looks very good but sometimes I find myself leaning back instead of front which means I have to work on technicality. Looking at Ski Tracks, I ski around 50mph and I feel it is 80% of my capacity. Skied Ruby Gully in Taos this weekend straight down (did not check speed but if felt faster on the Bonafide).

When I buy something I need to justify it to myself and in this case I am happy have establised a standard, Bonafide 173cm. The way I see it, in order to end up with a better ski I have to; a) demo all the ski on the short list (very unlikely and impractical), b) get a consensus that ski xx is better than Bonafide in speed, comfort (safety), and maneuverability, or c) have an experienced instructor look at me skying and make a recommendation. (have no problems following an expert advice - probability he is wrong considered low)

Every year I have changed gear and now that I have a better idea of what I want I decided to go for the best out there. (not necessarily most expensive, I have wanted to buy a high end POC helmet and when I tried it realized that my old Giro fits better. I was disappointed and made no purchase but felt better than if I would have bought it)

I like to ski front mountain and mostly groomed, but would like to get better at moguls. I am 1000 miles from slopes and I do not experience powder very often (last week at Taos was lucky to get powder)

Am I splitting hair here or do I have a point? Feel that if I buy the Bonafide 173 I will always question what else is there for me. I was also looking at Stockli Laser SX, not exactly a direct comparison to Bonafide but seems to be an exceptional ski - but is it for me?

 

So, any ski better than Bonafide in the conditions I ski in will help with my decision, or do I need to talk to an instructor (can an expert realize what's best for me just by looking at the way I ski, or I need to find it by myself and demo - this will be the worst scenario for me) to help me with this?

 

Sorry for the long thread and thanks for help. Might be leaving for Vail and Jackson Hole in 5 hours and will try to demo as many high end skis as I can find. Can share my experience only if anyone thinks it is interesting.

 

L

post #45 of 47
There is so much in this post that makes me wonder. Self-taught skiers skiing groomed blacks after 4 days??? I say BS. You can slide on those runs or be a latent hazard, and besides a groomed black is an oxymoron.

Sorry to piss on this parade.... I'd say you are still far from a Mantra or a Bonafide, this type of ski needs good skills, not exceptional but still good. Without seeing you ski it's hard to tell but everything I read so far screams that you don't. Athletic ability never substituted for technique, not in skiing. It may do for a while but it always ends badly. The fact that you prefer a shorter ski is another clue about the lack of technique. Bonafides ski short, so good skiers have no issue handling longer lengths. I'd invest in lessons before I'd invest in new expert level skis. And you should be demoing intermediate level skis, not high end. And "might be leaving for Jackson Hole in five hours" bit is a bit bizzare, no? Might be??? People tend to do done some preparation before they leave for a ski trip, for example they often buy a plane ticket...
post #46 of 47

alexzn,

 

I am driving tonight for spring break and I will go either to California (family does not want to go skiing) or Jackson Hole through Santa Fe and Vail. We will make a decision when I go home from work, I know it might sound strange to you but we make decision on the fly. I do not need an airline ticket for that.

 

While you do not believe me, you do not have my experience - I flew jets solo after 20 hr of training, not to brag but not everyone can do that.

 

When I said I skied blacks I thought I made it clear that I crawled down. Never claimed or claim I am a good skier, just passionate. There is no sport I tried that I did not learn it very fast. I took lessons since my first skiing session, actually I started with a lesson when I asked how these 2 sticks stop. That's how I learned the pizza move, it came handy .

 

I am more than happy to send an experienced skier on this forum my recent videos from last week in Taos to prove all points and maybe to get an advice. They are no longer than 3 min.

 

I might be many things but to brag on a ski forum I am not.

post #47 of 47
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alexzn,

 

I am driving tonight for spring break and I will go either to California (family does not want to go skiing) or Jackson Hole through Santa Fe and Vail. We will make a decision when I go home from work, I know it might sound strange to you but we make decision on the fly. I do not need an airline ticket for that.

 

While you do not believe me, you do not have my experience - I flew jets solo after 20 hr of training, not to brag but not everyone can do that.

 

When I said I skied blacks I thought I made it clear that I crawled down. Never claimed or claim I am a good skier, just passionate. There is no sport I tried that I did not learn it very fast. I took lessons since my first skiing session, actually I started with a lesson when I asked how these 2 sticks stop. That's how I learned the pizza move, it came handy .

 

I am more than happy to send an experienced skier on this forum my recent videos from last week in Taos to prove all points and maybe to get an advice. They are no longer than 3 min.

 

I might be many things but to brag on a ski forum I am not.

I think you can embed YouTube or Vimeo videos in your posts right here on Epic.   Actually Epic's instruction/coaching forum is a great place for getting tips on your skiing, they rip you apart there, so leave your ego at home, but you get very useful advice.   

 

Seriously, the post was not meant to offend.  I have seen too many intermediate skiers get on the expert level skis and get stuck in their progress and technique.  Skis are tools, and they are disposable gone in a couple of years of good use anyway, you can easily start on an intermediate ski, outgrow it and get on another pair that would suit your current technique and abilities at that time better.  While we are on the topic of gear- I am sure you have had your boots professionally fitted and have custom footbeds in them, right?  If not, that may be a much better investment than a shiny pair of Bonafides.   Good luck in Jackson, it's a ripping great mountain, (although pizza stops may not be of much use there).  

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