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Ski decision all mountain: 166 Blizzard Bushwacker or Salomon twenty twelve

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Thread Starter 

I'm 5'6 160 pounds male skier.  Ski mostly Alpine Meadows.  Probably get in a consistent 12 days a year.  I would like to think that I'm on the cusp of making the transition from an intermediate skier.  I ski all the runs on each mountain, and have been spending more and more time in the trees.  I'm looking for an all mountain ski that I'm going to be able to ski on most powder days as well.

 

I demo'd the mantra 170's last season and they were too much ski.  The 163 Volkl Kendo's I skied in spring like conditions and were a lot of fun but I can see them being too stiff for deep powder.  I've heard a lot of good things about the Blizzard line and I was guesing that with the reverse camber and the early rise of the Blizzard Bushwacker's in a 166 that they would be a better all mountain than the Kendo's.

 

I also demo'd the Salomon Lord's in a 169, On a powder and they were a very fun and easy to turn ski.  I had a couple people tell me that if I was considering the Lord's at all that I should get the twenty twelve's because of the sidewalls.

 

Any help or other suggestions out there?  Thank you in advance.

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Hi - Welcome to Epic. Bushwackers in a 173 if you like lively, lot of snowfeel, plan to take a few lessons or ski more days. 20/12 in 170 something if you like damper, softer. Latter is more forgiving in tight places, but Bush's are not exactly Stockli SS's. Both nice skis. Lords are easy-going, versatile, I've heard, not great on ice. Probably would work decently for your needs and location. Watea 84's would be nice too, if you tend to ski at lower speeds (tree reference).  Lose the idea of a 160-something with rocker at your size. 

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Thanks, I appreciate the quick feedback.  I've been cruising this site for the last couple of weeks and picked up a ton of great info.  What an awesome community.  The bushwackers at 173 seem like a lot of ski for me.  I think I'm probably going to go with the 20/12 in the 171.  I guess I was thinking that the 163 Kendo's were good that the 166 Bushwacker's were in the same ballpark.

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You should like the 20/12. The comment about rocker reflects the fact that a rockered ski handles short. Hard to put a number on it because designs differ a lot, but IME, rocker skis like a conventional or "market rise" shovel that's 5-8 cm shorter. Eg, next size down. So IMO Bush's at 173 - you have to factor construction, weight diff and actual camber design in here too - will respond somewhat like Kendo's at 163. The 171 20/12 should be significantly easier to move around than the 163 Kendo, given that it's also a twin tail and softer all around. 

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Completely agree with Beyond about the Bushwacker in a`173. Actually pondered the 166 myself, same stats, only a little more advanced. Did alot of research and asked around quite a bit and the consensus was it does ski shorter than the actual length due to rocker and overall construction. You would probably outgrow the 166 pretty quickly IMO .   Dave

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One concern I have since I have been looking at more comments and seeing reviews is that the 20 12 seems to be a park ski first and I will never ski in the park.  Should I be concerned about performance?

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I understand the 2012 is good at carving for a park ski.  There are park skis that can be pretty decent all around.  People used to take the Mojo 90s in the park all the time and they were pretty good all around.

 

IIRC, on newschoolers there is talk about durability issues, but then again, what do they expect if they're in the park all the time? Take those comments with a grain of salt.

 

IMO, you don't want to have doubts.  If you're a directional skier, I say go Bushwackers...

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Originally Posted by chicolax2 View Post

One concern I have since I have been looking at more comments and seeing reviews is that the 20 12 seems to be a park ski first and I will never ski in the park.  Should I be concerned about performance?

There are a bunch of "park +" skis that in reality are all mountain directional designs that are decent in the park. Think Bridge, MSP, Rotor 84, Dead Money, and so on. A true park ski will be symmetrical, total center mount, very springy at each end, and not that great outside the park. That's why there are so many of them on sale by March. But the 20/12 is getting strong reviews for its all mountain, not park, chops. It's an actual sandwich, not a typical Sollie cap. That said, it will be softer, damper, less grippy on ice than the Bushwacker, lower speed limit, but as good or better in actual powder, bumps, tight places. Eg, more of a soft snow orientation than the Bush, but as I said, both are good skis. And same price, given that the 20/12 can be found right now discounted to $599, no discount on the Bush. 
 

 

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For a Tahoe guy concerned with powder days, why are we talking about the Bushwacker and not the Bonafide?  It's only 1cm wider.  I've read a heap of great reviews of the Bonafide; not so many of the Bushwacker.  Do people think the wider ski would be too much for a high intermediate?

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It seems like the Bush would be easier for an intermediate.  Personally, I ski Tahoe and went for the Bonafides.  12 day/year skier likely means one ski quiver...

 

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First off, thanks for all of the comments and feed back. I really appreciate it.  Dino ya 12 days a year means I'm going to be owning only one pair for now and If it's a real deep day demo.  Bad for my wallet but well worth it about half of my days last year were like this.  Xela my concern for the bonafide's comes from when I demo'd a pair of the mantras in a 170 last year a couple times after a buddies suggestion.  That great Thankgsgiving storm with a couple feet of new powder.  they were fine but a ton of hard work on the first two days.  With the softer snow   it made it easier.  The next time I was up was around New Years i think when it was like spring skiing.  On intermediate runs I had no problems turning but when I got onto steeper runs I was fighting the ski big time and in over my head.  I demo'd the Kendos in a 163 and had none of those problems.  I'm trying not to make that mistake.  Thanks again all of you.  

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Sorry guys one more question? i was down at the dealership and they were really pumping the Armada TST vs the buswacker.  Thoughts?  Is it going to be too much ski for tighter areas?  At it's length will it be fine in the spring?

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Originally Posted by Xela View Post

For a Tahoe guy concerned with powder days, why are we talking about the Bushwacker and not the Bonafide?  It's only 1cm wider.  I've read a heap of great reviews of the Bonafide; not so many of the Bushwacker.  Do people think the wider ski would be too much for a high intermediate?


 

not that the bonafide is stiff but it is stiffer than the bushwacker.

 

I think neither is your ski really both but would work. What I mean is for me I could see owning them and they are going to do powder very well with the bonafide being slightly better but in all honesty they are all mountain skis. The bonafide a ski a expert will use when the snow is relatively soft and they searching out left over crud or powder stashs.  IMO the Bushwacker would be a great ski for anyone who enjoys skiing boney and hardpack off piste out west using more finesse than power. It does great in powder to even if you do not get the longest lenghts.

 

Now if this ski is for you and looking for mostly powder, considering getting "the one" if you want a powder ski or maybe even going to a different company. The one is going to be best out of the bunch for a intermediate in powder out of the blizzard skis.

post #14 of 14

Chicolax2,

 

Here is another suggestion. It sounds like (although I am not certain) you may not fully trust what you are hearing at the shop you are going to.  Why don't you shoot up to Tahoe and go to one of the shops there, like starthaus?  You can easily do the trip in a day, get the skis and get a nice fall hike in. Some of Jim's guys there, like the other Jim (sierra jim), are giving what to me is some of the better advice on the site.  Or, call Jim or Jim on the phone, talk through what they have, order a pair, and arrange to go up a little early one afternoon to get them mounted up before you ski the next day. If you came here for the advice, consider going to the guys that are giving some of the better advice around.  For those who have the option, I would go to a shop whose advice I could really trust.

 

Good luck.

 

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