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post #31 of 55
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Skimalibu, if you come up to Tahoe to ski with us, and IF I get the Bushwacker with the air shell, I'll let you fondle my b00ts !biggrin.gif

(careful with the spelling there.)

 

post #32 of 55

You should have enough boot fondlers there around you. You could even do a tag team you have so many. You have no need for one more. Besides you fondled one boot you fondled them all.

 

To bad about the Cochise. Like Davluri mentioned you need to work on that tough Tahoe girl that can crush a race 150 with a flex of your little toe. Eat right, get your sleep and work out all you needy low volume boot types up north. The season will be starting soon and the Sierra Monster will give you a beating otherwise.  

 

 

post #33 of 55

 

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Originally Posted by skimalibu View Post

TC,

 

 Check out Technica's site on the boot just above the Bushwacker.

 Look at the Cochise Boot. I don't know how a 120 boot would work with your specs.

 The Cochise is lighter by 1.3 lbs. because of it's liner, has walk function and has the interchangeable soles.

 They might be on to something with that power strap latch.

 

 


Thanks for the serious answer.  rolleyes.gif

 

post #34 of 55
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Remember too, if you want the boot to be lighter, add helium...

I know it's a joke, but you're actually on to something. Sorta. Volume in a boot would be trivial, but has anyone ever thought about filling up empty channels in a ski core with helium? Yeah, I know, prohibitive production costs versus small impact. But in one of those 140 mm waisted jobs, might shave some oz off. OK, let me wipe the drool off and get serious:

 

The Bushwacker sounds like a great possibility for folks with wider feet. But what about the heel? Wife needs new boots, very wide forefoot (D or so), very narrow heel (A). Think ducks. Would the bladder actually produce heel hold, or is it just there to adjust mid/forefoot? 
 

 

post #35 of 55



 

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 but has anyone ever thought about filling up empty channels in a ski core

 

 Would the bladder actually produce heel hold, or is it just there to adjust mid/forefoot? 
 

 



   Yes, they usually use another material that has the gas voids or pockets in it. I have a 70's Kastle recreational skis that does that. I'm sure there are others out there. In 140mm wides jobs? I don't know about the amount of control you would have over such a ski. I think you would end up being it's slave. As others have described with such skis not quite that wide.

 

   A bladder with heel hold. That is a tall order. You need a dense material for completion of that hold. I don't see that happening with air, no matter how much you channel it and try to segregate it. I think that is why a liner is used and incorporated in an air system boot. You'll notice in Tecnica's air system they used quite a bit of segregation.(Phoenix 100)  Also notice in Tecnica's line of race boots. No air systems.

post #36 of 55

I think the discrepancies / confusion on the cochise relate to the fact that technica is offering 2 different liners and apparently  some people are weighing it with the resort liner and others are weighing it with the lighter touring liner. The difference between a built for touring liner and a built for DH liner can be considerable in my experience.

post #37 of 55

Bingo!

post #38 of 55
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

if you want the boot warmer add hot air....wink.gif


Damn it, Phil -- now everyone is going to want to ski with me. And make me hyperventilate.

post #39 of 55

 

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Originally Posted by tromano View Post

I think the discrepancies / confusion on the cochise relate to the fact that technica is offering 2 different liners and apparently  some people are weighing it with the resort liner and others are weighing it with the lighter touring liner. 


I was thinking that maybe some people were just pulling numbers out of their...uh make that, thin air.  So far the only weights I've seen are the ones I linked earlier.  I was hoping that maybe someone has some in their notes from the trade shows.  

post #40 of 55
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post




 

 

 Check out Technica's site on the boot just above the Bushwacker.

And even below with the Crossfire, the woman's SideCounty entry, but a 100mm last too

 Look at the Cochise Boot. I don't know how a 120 boot would work with your specs.

While TC could ski a 120, a 100-110 is better for her

 The Cochise is lighter by 1.3 lbs. because of it's liner, has walk function and has the interchangeable soles.

The Cochise is offered with the option of 2 liners, yes one is about a pound lighter but it is an upgrade over the stock Cochise liner. Very well, if the Bushwacker with the air shell does work for her..which we still don't know untill the 23.5's become available, we might switch the upgrade liner to save weight. TC has a very low volume foot, the airshell is the only chance this bot might work for her. I also have a low volume foot and no way could I ski in a Cochise, the airshell is my only option too for this boot. 

  They might be on to something with that power strap latch.

Yes, they are.


 



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Originally Posted by tromano View Post

I think the discrepancies / confusion on the cochise relate to the fact that technica is offering 2 different liners and apparently  some people are weighing it with the resort liner and others are weighing it with the lighter touring liner. The difference between a built for touring liner and a built for DH liner can be considerable in my experience.


Phil's comment about this was buried at the bottom of the first page, but yeah, you're right.

 

 

post #41 of 55
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

 


I was thinking that maybe some people were just pulling numbers out of their...uh make that, thin air.  So far the only weights I've seen are the ones I linked earlier.  I was hoping that maybe someone has some in their notes from the trade shows.  


 

See Photos below..... Both boots are 26.5.  Bushwacker has the DIN sole and Cochise has the AT sole. 

 

Bushwacker = 4 lbs 12.6 oz

Cochise = 4lbs 9.3 oz

 

AT Sole for one boot = 8.3 oz

DIN sole for one boot = 6 oz

 

You can purchase a separate lightweight liner to put in the Cochise that would save you 1 lb 3 oz per pair...


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post #42 of 55

^Excellent, thank you!  yahoo.gif Beer's on me.  beercheer.gif

 

The shells seem to be remarkably close in weight.  I'm a lightweight, and I'm thinking about getting a Bushwacker, taking out the airshell stuff, and adding an Intuition liner.  Now I gotta try some on.  

 

Thanks again.  

post #43 of 55

The shells are identical other than the durometer of the plastic.   Interested to see what you think when you try them on.

post #44 of 55

 

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Originally Posted by wasatchback View Post

The shells are identical other than the durometer of the plastic.   Interested to see what you think when you try them on.


I weigh in at a buck and a half, and have a hella high instep, and 100% of my fixed-heel skiing has been AT for years but I'm thinking of getting a regular resort set-up because I'm getting old, so those could be a cool boot for me.  

 

Probably get to try them on late Nov/early Dec.

post #45 of 55
Thread Starter 

I haven't seen the Bushwackers in a 23.5 yet, but I tried on the 2012 Tecnica Viva Crossfire in 23.5 which is the same shell, and like the fit a lot.  Once the wider lasted boot is sized down to a 23.5 its narrow enough to accommodate my foot quite nicely, and didn't kill my high instep.  Once I played with it a little in walk mode, I wished I'd had this boot when I was helping with ESA the past few years. 

 

Key differences between the Buswackers and the Viva Crossfire are:

Bushwacker has the added buckle to the power strap

Bushwacker has the airshell, which may help snug my heel if needed.  but if it fits like the Viva Crossfire, I may not need to snug it up.

 

Biggest down side, the interchangeable soles eliminate the ability to plane the soles if needed.

 

 

post #46 of 55

Ohhh you can plane them it just takes a steady hand and a little patience.  You just can't lift them, gotta go epoxy on the top.  PM me and I can

explain the process.  Good thing is you got some of the best bootfitters right there so I'm sure they'll take care of you.  You can get 4* out of

that sole with a little creativity.

post #47 of 55
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post




 

 

 Check out Technica's site on the boot just above the Bushwacker.

And even below with the Crossfire, the woman's SideCounty entry, but a 100mm last too

 Look at the Cochise Boot. I don't know how a 120 boot would work with your specs.

While TC could ski a 120, a 100-110 is better for her

 The Cochise is lighter by 1.3 lbs. because of it's liner, has walk function and has the interchangeable soles.

The Cochise is offered with the option of 2 liners, yes one is about a pound lighter but it is an upgrade over the stock Cochise liner. Very well, if the Bushwacker with the air shell does work for her..which we still don't know untill the 23.5's become available, we might switch the upgrade liner to save weight. TC has a very low volume foot, the airshell is the only chance this bot might work for her. I also have a low volume foot and no way could I ski in a Cochise, the airshell is my only option too for this boot. 

  They might be on to something with that power strap latch.

Yes, they are.


 

quite honestly these boots I think flex stiffer than other boots. the 130 bodacious was much stiffer than a lange 130.

 

cochise is going to be my boot with the Krypton this year.

 

 

post #48 of 55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback View Post

Ohhh you can plane them it just takes a steady hand and a little patience.  You just can't lift them, gotta go epoxy on the top.  PM me and I can

explain the process.  Good thing is you got some of the best bootfitters right there so I'm sure they'll take care of you.  You can get 4* out of

that sole with a little creativity.


Perhaps I shouldn't have said "eliminate".  

Still, not a piece of cake.

 

post #49 of 55
Interested to hear some feedback from people that might have tried the Bushwacker or Cochise on. Or from those fortunate people that might have skied on them already.
post #50 of 55
Thread Starter 

I got my Bushwackers a couple days ago and have worn them around the house a bit.  Still need to get new foot beds because mine are shot, but I'm finding a few hot spots that I think will be okay once I break them in,  and am pretty stoked about getting on snow with these.

 

In the mean time I read this blog and am a bit intrigued by it. 

http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/how-to-heat-mold-tecnica-cochise-bodacious-boots

 

Not that I need to do it but.....its interesting, considering the contemporary technology in Boot Plastics.  In this case the Triax Plastic.

I think I'm really going to like this boot!


Edited by Trekchick - 11/21/11 at 6:44am
post #51 of 55
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

In the mean time I read this blog and am a bit intrigued by it. 

http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/how-to-heat-mold-tecnica-cochise-bodacious-boots


Seems like combining that with the post-heat Fischer process (cooling wrap and pressure) might provide the best AT boot fit you could get.

post #52 of 55
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Originally Posted by TheDad View Post


Seems like combining that with the post-heat Fischer process (cooling wrap and pressure) might provide the best AT boot fit you could get.



I was kinda thinking that, too.

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post #53 of 55
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

I haven't seen the Bushwackers in a 23.5 yet, but I tried on the 2012 Tecnica Viva Crossfire in 23.5 which is the same shell, and like the fit a lot.  Once the wider lasted boot is sized down to a 23.5 its narrow enough to accommodate my foot quite nicely, and didn't kill my high instep.  Once I played with it a little in walk mode, I wished I'd had this boot when I was helping with ESA the past few years. 

 

Key differences between the Buswackers and the Viva Crossfire are:

Bushwacker has the added buckle to the power strap

Bushwacker has the airshell, which may help snug my heel if needed.  but if it fits like the Viva Crossfire, I may not need to snug it up.

 

Biggest down side, the interchangeable soles eliminate the ability to plane the soles if needed.

 

 


 

FYI for little people, the size 22 in any models is a 23 shell (280mm) with a cap on the boot board.  not a real size 22 at all.  Also our store has the cochise in 24 and maybe 23 avail too.   Not sure if many retailers will have this.  (end spam)

 

post #54 of 55
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

I was kinda thinking that, too.

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The contract with Fischer may prohibit using the equipment with other boots, though.  Which could get interesting.

post #55 of 55
Thread Starter 

As a follow up to this thread, I have about 70 days in the Bushwacker Boot and am still happy with it.  

 

The long term findings is that where amy BOF lands in the boot is slightly back from a normal foot shape because of the shape of my foot, and thus, the forefoot has remained snug throughout the season.  

I have had to snug up the cuff a bit because I have skinny ankles and the liner has packed out a bit, but have not had to tighten the lower two buckles at all. 

 

Further, I have only recently felt that the liner packed out enough that I cared to use the air shell feature, which seems to work really well, but then I've only used it once. 

 

All in all, this boot has made me very happy this season and I'm happy I invested in it. 

 

Here is my review. 

http://www.epicski.com/products/2012-tecnica-bushwacker-air-shell/reviews/2653

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