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My Salomon hiking boots dissolved in water... I wonder what that says about their skis.

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

Hi, I'm Blake, I'm new to this forum. 

 

This season I'm thinking about getting a pair of Salomon Enduro XT 850s (skis), because they are the exact size and shape I'm looking for in an all mountain ski, but there is one reason I'm reluctant to buy them and that is because I'm afraid they may be weak, or cheaply made because of an experience I had with Salomon hiking boots.  I once had about a 200 dollar pair of boots that I got wet a total of two times when they were still fairly new.  After the first time, they had 4 holes in them, one on each side of each shoe, and then after then second time the rubber fell off the bottoms of them!  I couldn't believe it!  I had barely even hiked in them.  I also have a friend who works on a zipline in Maui and he said that one year as part of their company's uniform they all got Salomon hiking boots and they completely wore out until they fell off the feet of everyone that worked there.

 

Have any of you ever had Salomon hiking boots?  Did they fall apart soon after you bought them?  Does anyone think Salomon skis are really breakable? 

 

Since this is my first post, I'll link to two ski videos of me and my brother and wife:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl31E8xEsW8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMvU_K0oUtY    


Edited by Ronin - 10/10/11 at 7:40pm
post #2 of 22

I've been skiing for the last 35 years.  I`ve had Atomic, K2, Rossignol, Dynastar, Kneissl and Salomon skis.  I`ve skied with my Salomons 24 Hours 44 times last year and they are just great.

 

The rental shop of two of the mountains I ski have fleets of Salomon skis.  I guess that`s speaks volume for reliability and durability.

 

I have trusted my safety to Salomon bindings since they came out with the 747 binding around 1985 and the various Salomon bindings I`ve had on my skis have been flawless, releasing when appropriate thus preventing injury, and not releasing when not appropriate, such as while pushing hard during races.

 

You might find this interesting:

 

http://www.caldwellsport.com/2011/08/salomon-visit/

 

 

post #3 of 22

My wife has a pair of Salomon light hiking boots that she's had for maybe 10 years.  She likes them and still uses them for any hiking short of backpacking.  I've had Salomon bindings on several pairs of skis, used Salomon ski boots for a couple of seasons and I've also used X-Scream skis.  Never had a problem with any of their gear.  If your hiking boots really developed the problems you claim, you should have returned them.  BTW, any ski is breakable.

post #4 of 22

I've also skied Salomon skis and bindings and never had a problem with them.

 

I don't have hiking boots, but I do have a pair of Salomon trail shoes and they're indestructible.  They're Gore Tex and have been soaked many times, but my feet are never wet.  I've been wearing them for two or three years almost exclusively with no problems.

post #5 of 22

If you said you has some Salomon Pilot skis or Exendo's I would understand your concern but hiking boots? that is a stretch. Like some others that posted here, I also have had numerous pairs of both Salomon hikers including their first attempt onto this category with the "5" (I forget what the "series" was) back in the early 90's to 5-6 pair of their trail shoes. NEVER an issue. Unless you live near a nuclear plant, I could never see any of their products "dissolving" in water. 

post #6 of 22

I doubt anyone wants to hear how I feel about Salomon's QC...  That said I'd be ashamed to buy a Salomon sticker, let alone their skis, boots or apparrel but that's me.  I have my own very personal reasons for having an extremely strong dislike for them (if you don't already know, don't even bother asking I'm not going there in this thread) and don't really give a shit what enyone else thinks about it to be honest.  To each his own and more power to people if they like and feel comfortable skiing Sally...  But I'd rather stick my manhood in a running wood chipper than ski Salomon, wear Salomon or support them in any way if I can help it.  I've seen just how incredibly ugly they can be and I hope nobody else ever does.   

 

 

I know there's plenty of good people over there but there's also some seriously dangerously lazy shitbags and some disgustingly vicious lawyers at "work" there too.  I'm not rolling the dice with them EVER personally.  I have no problem with others if they want to buy and use Sally products, that's their business.  Not me though.  NO.  WAY.  NOT NOW, NOT EVER.   

 

 

Just my tarnished and jaded .02-  Carry on. 

 

post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 

I guess I would be surprised to hear this story too if I didn't experience it myself.  It's very true though.  I'm glad you guys are surprised to hear it because I guess that means it's not very common. 

 

Here is the story in a little more detail:  The first time I got them wet I just stepped in a stream.  Then there were 4 holes and they were not small, they were actually quite large.  I have no detail to add about that.  The second time I got them wet, the rubber fell off the front half of both my shoes but was still hanging loosely because it was still connected on the back halves on my heels.  This second time that I got them wet I had jumped off a 48 foot cliff into a river.  Maybe the shock knocked the rubber off?  Still I don't think it should've come off.  I owned them for a total of about 3 months. 

 

I do use salomon bindings.  They seem fine.  Markers have nearly killed me.  Also, my favorite mogul ski ever was the salomon 1080 mogul, however, it eventually broke.  In about my third season on them.  My brother broke many salomon mogul skis in the nineties.  Maybe 5 pair.  He was just skiing on them and not doing anything weird.

 

My wife has the salomon lady and has improved a ton on them.  They seem perfect for her.  The chances are good that I will get the enduro.  The only other ski that I'm thinking about is the rossignol experience 83 because it's also the size and shape I want (even more the shape I want than the enduro), but for some reason it's listed as a ski for a level 3 skier while I am a 5.  I'm not sure why it's listed as that.  The experience 98 which is said to be pretty much or maybe even exactly the same but wider, is listed as a ski for a level 5. 

post #8 of 22

My first pair of ski boots were Salomon. They were lost and I wasted $500 buying a pair of Dalbellos which were too big and too wide for my feet. I'm back in  Salomon boots. I have several pairs of Atomic skis, both alpine and xc.(Atomic and Salomon are both owned by the same company, Amer Sports). I have Salomon skate boots for xc and I kept my Salomon Pilots for my roller skis. I have purchased Salomon light hikers. The only thing I didn't like about them was that they didn't stay tied...I would never hesitate to purchase Salomon, although my hiking boots now come from Vasque biggrin.gif I have purchased Salomon products for both kids, although Nordica now fits my son better (big calves)...

In 2005, I hyperextended my left ankle  and broke my talus bone while strapped to a Burton Feelgood ES with Burton Lexa bindings and Burton Sapphire boots. I needed 2 reconstructive surgeries to put my ankle back together so I could walk. Was that Burton's fault? No...I didn't expect them to pay for my surgeries either because nobody flew me to Park City and bought me a lift ticket to The Canyons but me.

post #9 of 22

 

I've a few gripes about Salomon footgear but never that  one.    They've all lasted (hah) longer than I wanted them to.
 

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Originally Posted by Blake Saunders View Post

I guess I would be surprised to hear this story too if I didn't experience it myself.  It's very true though.  I'm glad you guys are surprised to hear it because I guess that means it's not very common. 

 

Here is the story in a little more detail:  The first time I got them wet I just stepped in a stream.  Then there were 4 holes and they were not small, they were actually quite large.  I have no detail to add about that.  The second time I got them wet, the rubber fell off the front half of both my shoes but was still hanging loosely because it was still connected on the back halves on my heels.  This second time that I got them wet I had jumped off a 48 foot cliff into a river.  Maybe the shock knocked the rubber off?  Still I don't think it should've come off.  I owned them for a total of about 3 months.


This sounds like the leather (or facsimile thereof) expanded when wet and the sole rubber didn't, cracking the glue bond between them.    I've had similar things happen to glued down soles by other brands (5.10, Merell) and they honored the warranty return every time.    

post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by csavage View Post

 

The only thing I didn't like about them was that they didn't stay tied...

 

 

Did you see that headline article in Runners' World, mid-summer 2009 I think?   The one where, in very LARGE TYPE, they told us that we don't know how to tie our laces?    Apparently most of us tie granny knots instead of square ones.
 

 

post #11 of 22

I've heard that if Solomon skis come in contact with water they'll completely fall apart.  Be warned everyone!  We lost a few good soldiers at the pond skimming contest last year.

 

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post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by Do Work View Post
 Not me though.  NO.  WAY.  NOT NOW, NOT EVER.   

 

 



Not once! Not never! Lighthouses RULE! You don't like lighthouses you suck! Ha Ha Ha Ha

post #13 of 22

Quality of their equipment has always in my opinion to be some what love hate .Used to hate the constant binding pre-release in the 444 - 727 equip models. Caused many a  spectacular one legged recovery (or worse a non recovery) but I guess i am a slow learner as I stayed loyal to the brand for many years. Loved to ski on but hated the durability of the 90's Super Force 3s skis allegedly designed as a competition mogul ski.  The edges actually cracked and fell off in sections after one season. The Soloman rep said I must have been too hard on them by using them too much in the bumps (??? )  However I loved my old rear entry sx boots. Uncomfortable yes but with no padding to compact the foot to ski feel was always the same from day one to garbage can . Finally having to upgrade when i could no longer convince the demo teams to adjust the binding to the warped soles was like parting with an old friend. In short take your chances all brands have their pluses and minus. If you plan on getting the latest and greatest it might be or might not prove to be. Most skis break down after 60 days anyway and there is always the next model to ponder.

post #14 of 22

If Blake Saunders is a level 5, I must be a 3.  I thought I was a 7 or 8. :(

 

Haha, I visited Rossi website for clarification and I see they aren't using a 1 through 10 rating scale. I know nothing about current ski models, but based on the level 3 rating, I'd guess they might be a little soft for you.

post #15 of 22

I have had a pair of sally trail shoes for like 5 years and they are still in great shape. I am guessing they will last for a decade or so. I would send salomon a letter with your story about your shoes. They will probably send you a new pair.

post #16 of 22
Thread Starter 

 

Quote: From noncrazycanuck

 Loved to ski on but hated the durability of the 90's Super Force 3s skis allegedly designed as a competition mogul ski.  The edges actually cracked and fell off in sections after one season.

That's what happened to my 1080s (in their 4th season), and also what happened to several salomon mogul skis my brother was on in the nineties.  I really liked that 1080 though, it was probably worth having anyway.  It lasted a while before it broke. 

 

Quote: From telerod15

If Blake Saunders is a level 5, I must be a 3.  I thought I was a 7 or 8. :(   

 

Haha, I visited Rossi website for clarification and I see they aren't using a 1 through 10 rating scale. I know nothing about current ski models, but based on the level 3 rating, I'd guess they might be a little soft for you.

LOL  I guess we'd both be higher than a 5 if those rating systems made more sense.  I never saw the 10 level rating scale.  That would probably make more sense if everyone was using that.  I have thought at times that there should be more than a choice of 3 levels when having a shop mount bindings... I always lie and say I weigh 250 lbs lol (I actually weigh 175).

 

That's probably right about the Rossignols being soft.... I'm tempted to get them anyway though because they're only like $450 which is pretty hard to believe.  They have basalt in them, apparently, which also seems kind of weird. 

 

Quote: From Tromano

I have had a pair of sally trail shoes for like 5 years and they are still in great shape. I am guessing they will last for a decade or so.

Cool.  These posts have helped put my mind at ease.  I will probably get the Enduro.  I found the incident with my hiking boots to be outrageous, but it sounds like it's more rare than I thought.  I'm not too worried about the fact that I broke some 1080s... it was actually my fourth season on them now that I think about it.  The skis my brother broke was a long time ago, so I'm not too worried about that either.  Lately he and I both have been on the K2 mamba mogul ski and haven't broken them, but I know a lightweight girl who has them that broke them and she isn't even all that aggressive of a skier... go figure. 

 

Outside of the moguls, I've been on Volkl AC4 then Volkl AC40 which are the same thing basically.  I was on the 4 for three and a half years then the 40 for three and a half, so 7 years total.  I try to get something I like then stick with it, so I'm trying to put a lot of thought into these enduros before I get them.  They will definitely be more my size, so that will be cool.  The Volkls I had were always too short and restricted my speed in some conditions. 

 

The reason I'm replacing my Volkls is because of the binding system.  They're Markers and have prereleased at really bad times, many times.  I've had them tested and everything and even had one toe piece replaced.  I won't be skiing on Markers ever again.  I just don't want to risk it. 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by Ronin - 9/17/11 at 2:02pm
post #17 of 22

I think Salomon hiking boots are rubbish. The rubber in mine (a thick layer between the sole and the foot) has disintegrated despite limited wear. I only wear them in the snow, and I live in Australia so they don't get much wear. I've been told they can't be repaired (the toe and heel are still attached - leaving a very large air hole, so the foot goes up and down with every step), so reglueing the sole isn't an option). Searching other sites reveals this is a common problem with this brand, and that Salomon won't do anything about it. I wouldn't ever buy their boots again. 

post #18 of 22

If I understand correctly, Salomon doesn't actually produce skis anymore, they're all made in Atomic factories. 

post #19 of 22
Don't know about their hiking boots and I have never tried their skis but I like my ski boots (X pro). My wife and two daughters also like their Sally boots. And we have tried all other brands of boots in the past 10 years or so (15 for me.)
post #20 of 22

I've had the same pair of Salomon hiking boots for around 14 years now.  They're Gore Tex or some other proprietary waterproof membrane.  My feet only get wet when water comes in over the top of the boot or from sweat.  The downside is that my feet sweat like they are in plastic bags, and the boots take a long time to dry out.

 

Salomon skis, I have no comment on.  I only ever liked the yellow X-Scream, and then I learned how to ski.  Same with their boots.  No comment.  They don't fit my foot.

 

I love their metal bindings.  I own close to 20 pairs of metal 997/DR9/s900/916/STH16. 

 

 

What's the point of this post?  This thread stinks as much as my hiking boots.

post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
 

Hi, I'm Blake, I'm new to this forum. 

 

 

Since this is my first post, I'll link to two ski videos of me and my brother and wife:

 

Pretty sure it is illegal to marry your brother in most states and nations.  ... hahaha.  just kidding:duck:

 

How did I miss this thread?  Thanks for bumping it CA!

 

I've had two pairs of Salamon hiking boots.  The first pair was a tad small, the second has been great for camping and ski area parking lot use.  They do run small though..

 

Makes me wonder what kind of water would dissolve them.:rolleyes  I do wonder how they would do in a really hot car though.  I see an aussie had trouble with them coming apart at the seams.  Been really hot in Australia this summer right?    Could be that a really hot car or other storage situation breaks down the contact cement and glues holding them together.. Might fall apart after extreme heat.  I've seen that happen in lots of products using plastics and rubbery glues.

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