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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

Ok all you smart tahoe folks I need some sdvice.

 

2012 Mantra or Bones?

 

I got stuck so deep in the powder last year on my old panza tank Volant Powers.....jeez took me 2 hours to flop and dig my way down the hill!

 

Then I went and rented some modern stuff....whooppeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

Okay so with no eperence on any 2012 models, one day each on Kendo and Mantra..loved them both.

 

Now I wanna buy...real bad.

I love to ski anywhere I can find soft snow. so lots of trees and backside stuff. If snow serria cement then driven to grommers and like to fly...sorry moms and kids I be com'n down.

Knees and legs have little bounce so I'm not much at jump turns, mogals or icy shuts.

 

Now it is time to buy. Q: is the Bonifide that good? Reviews here shure make me think so.

Has anyone tried these two skiis head to head. More lift in the Mantra sound like having your cake and eating it...not sure that is allowed.

 

I'm 58, 168lbs 5'7"......definalty going 170ish.

 

post #2 of 12

Lylo,  I would recommend you read through a lot of Powder Ski Posts by doing a search on this website.  What you will find to be true if you want a true powder ski for those deeeeeeeeeeep days is you need to go longer.  Honestly, any shorter than a 180 and I think you will be disappointed.  Great news is your light, so a ski like the Bonafide with a 98 waist may give you enough float, but I prefer over a 110+ waist in a true powder ski. For my taste, I would get the Cochise if you like the new Blizzard line up. Just my 2 cents.

post #3 of 12

I am about your size, Lylo, and I have the 2011 Mantras. I loved them . . . until I skied the 2012 Bushwackers. I've also skied the Bonafides. I like them, too. If I didn't already have the Mantra, I probably would have been more tempted by the Bonafide (but I wanted something a little softer in the tail for bumps and such). Truthfully, I've found the Blizzard Bonafides and Bushwackers to be much more forgiving than the Völkl Mantras. They're easier to bend and, after a long day in the Sierra cement, might be gentler on your legs. My 98mm waisted Mantras have given me plenty of float in powder, and the 170 has been fine. However, I don't see many bottomless powder days, so you may want to consider a longer ski. That, of course, depends on your skill level . . .

 

Bottom line: Demo them back-to-back if you can and go from there. My instinct says Blizzard, but I am a bit biased right now.

post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
Hi DS & Liv, the advice is most usefull. Coupls of things. One I might luv powder but do not get it, esp., real deeeeeep oftern. So off to hunt the trees, esp., Tahoe, to try and find some soft stuff. This will be my ONE ski as I do not get up enough ( hopefully 15+ days this year). Also have to ski the front side with all the crowrd sto get to most lifts as you all know.Oh yeah I can ski all the mountain, well exect the really tricky stuff I fall down, with ok to crappy form. Dead legs, as I meansioned, but like plenty of turns and speed. Do not know the number I see used on this site to rate myseolf. Binding up pretty tight...hate hunting for burried ski..not comfortable on ice...too slow edge to edge to have much control...backslide mogals vs racing on tops or even between....you know the type, full of confidence lacks skills but has a great time every run anyhow. Crash frequently off pist, rarely on-piste. Speed of turn in trees is the reason I am thinking 170 vs 177. I am going to now look at and resarch the two skis you guys recomended. Cheers, Lylo
post #5 of 12

If dead legs are an issue for you, I would definitely stay away from the Mantras. And if you're doing that much frontside, I would go with the Bushwackers over the Bonafides or Cochise. And definitely the Bones over the Cochise. It's sounding like you're going to want a softer ski.

post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 

Hi ya there D,

Well I went out and lonked my money doen and baught the Bones @ 170 with solaman  bindings. The place I now get my ski stuff foem Any Mountain has a nice Kiwi gal there so we understand each other. I'm a ex Kiwi also. Total Yank these days.

 

Wnated to say thanks for the advice. I get three days of skiing to check these out or return for something else. I must say I was blown away on the Mantras last year in Colorado on skier packed powder, crud and grommed. Took two runs to get the hang of these stiff and  wide (for my experence) boards....but they ripped. I have never skiied that fast and stable in my life. No problem driving them anywhere on the mountain. Nest I tried Kendos, can't recall if 170 or 177 in one of those deep days we got in the Serrias last year. They were a bit of a workout in the deepest powder, but real skiiable and tones of fun in the trees, packed powder and gommers.

 

I'm working hard this year at Yoga  and running tring to get my legs to be more awake this year. I can get from edge to edge pretty quick but lack the 'spring' in them to really dance in the trees.

 

One last question: As this ski is all 'rocker' does it require a different driving technique. I tend to do classic de-waiting large sweeping carving turns in the open and more rapid wieghtless (look for bumps) to turn in the backcountry. I am hoping with these new wider skiis to learn to 'float' turn in the powder and not so much carving...which does not work so well all too oftern.

 

Again many thanks,

Lylo.

post #7 of 12

Hi Lylo,

 

Sorry for the delay in my reply. My time on Epic hasn't been as consistent lately. I tore up my knee pretty badly, so I'm out for the season. Therefore, I have a bad case of sour grapes and haven't been too keen on reading about skiing that I won't be doing this year (grumble grumble grumble).

 

Anyway, congrats on the purchase! I don't think you'll be disappointed with your Bones.

 

In regards to your question about changing your driving technique, I can only say that I didn't have to change mine when I switched from the Mantras to the Bushwackers to the Bones. (To be fair, I only skied the Bones briefly and primarily on groomers. A buddy and I have the same BSL, so we were trading off a bit.)

 

Although, looking back on your post, I am thinking more clarification on your question could be necessary. When you say you do the classic unweighting, do you mean you unweight one foot completely while shifting weight to the other (almost lifting the unweighted foot) or that you shift weight as you switch from edge to edge? So, are you simply tilting your skis to go from edge to edge or are you lifting a leg in the process?

 

D.

post #8 of 12

be extremely wary of Any Mountain touching your new skis. If that's already a moot point, check everything thoroughly and then check again and then have your friend check again. put the boot in and check the center of boot mark, etc. check all screws, check for flailing at the work bench. really a crappy store at most branches. you don't want to hear the stories I have heard. If they haven't mounted them, go for a credit and take your skis to a known pro-type shop. end of story.

post #9 of 12

Like Dav, I'm a bit skeptical of Any Mountain doing any work on any of my gear. But it sounds like you're already set, so double check.

 

As for technique. I'd recommend taking a lesson. You can definitely ski those the way you've always skied, but I find (and teach) that there are ways to turn those skis in our wonderful Sierra snow that are probably much easier on your body than what you've done traditionally. This is a gross oversimplification, but basically you can afford to slip/slide your way into a turn more than the traditionally carved turn initiation that people my age (late 40s) grew up with. I've found modern technique much easier on my knees and back, without compromising on what terrain I can ski.

 

Enjoy your new skis. If you come to Alpine Meadows, track me down and say hello.

post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 

Sorry about the knee....ouch!

 

I will make up for you not being out there with extra whoops of joy! Couldn't resist.

 

More de-weight one leg and drive the other in the carve......bloody useless in powder mind you. In the trees and powder I try my best to either find a wee bump or de-weight however much I can and lift, a little, both legs and put them on edge. Kinda works but very exhausting (remember I have been on Volant panza tanks for ten years). Looking forward to some decent folat and learning what to do to turn when floating without a great big and poorly executed 'lift' to drive some kind of hybrid clasic powder come carve down there somewhere turn.

 

Thanks for comming back, I really apeciate it.

Lylo

post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 

Hello there Sinecure,

 

Well unfortuantley I had All Mountain put the bindings on. Tonight I am going to inspect their job in detail.. I appreciate the warning.

 

Yeah, Apline has allways been our spot to ski, but I shudder to think what the lift prices will be this year! Squaw et all...never cheap!

 

Last yeah I got to ski Dodge ridge for the first time and with loads of powedr it was a blaste...lots of trees to play in all day long. Never really run out of powder to find!

I want to try Bear Valley this year; any comments. Weekend house rentals much more affordable away form Tahoe!!!

 

Lylo

post #12 of 12

If you're doing that kind of unweighting, definitely take some lessons and work on smoother edge to edge carving. It'll serve you better on all types of trails. And it'll allow you to enjoy your skis much more thoroughly. Enjoy!

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