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Have my liners been baked?

post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 

Picked up a pair of Scarpa Hurricanes off geartrade with Scarpas inuition liners, apparently skied for one day only, they look basically brand new.

 

Just trying to work out if the liners may have already been baked as the fit doesnt feel as snug as my Tornados did. Does the foam change in density, are there any visual or tactile clues?

Cant see any impressions from the shell hardware at all.

 

If they have been compressed via thermomoulding  to fit a larger foot will recooking them allow the foam to expand back to the original density?

 

thanks for any help

 

Maurice

post #2 of 8

IIRC intuition liners can be heat molded a few times so you should be fine even if they have been baked once, as long as they're not  damaged.  If they are damaged, you should  be able to detect that fairly easily. (bad seams, fried parts, etc)

 

If there is no visual sign of indentations for foot parts(ankle, etc) then they probably haven't been molded yet.

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

post #3 of 8
Thread Starter 

Thanks for that., I was just about to recook them. I'll leave the boot buckled fairly loosely as they're a little bigger than I'd like  volume wise.

 

Unfortunately I tried cranking the buckles too tight whilst trying to break them in and Ive now got a massive bump come up over my metatarsal and cant even get the boot back on without significant pain. Strange thing there was no pain at all until I took the boot off mad.gif

post #4 of 8

It might not be just the liner but also the shell. is it the first or fifth met? Either way, you might want to pad that area during the mold....or...take them to a shop that has the proper tools to mold the liners. 

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Thread Starter 

Its the inner one ie the big toe one, already had a bunion there now its like another one suddenly appeared but facing upwards not to the side like a traditional bunion.

 

The boots came with no footbed which I gather is standard for scarpa these days and when I tried them on like this I could easily move the front half  of my foot up and down much more than in my custom fitted head vectors.

 

The bunion wasnt even rubbing, all my other boots have needed solid punches before I could even consider skiing them. The shell just felt too big so I fitted some low volume off the shelf footbeds I had on hand (conformable volcanoes) and tightened the buckles a couple of notches till the fit was reasonably tight but still not as snug as the vectors. I left them on for about 15 minutes with no pain but upon removing them the pain stared kicking in and the lump started forming.

 

I'm wondering if I cranked down too hard effectively numbing the foot?

 

The worst part is the timing, we fly out tomorrow morning for New Zealand and had planned a couple of days at a hill miles from anywhere near a bootfitter before heading back towards one of the major centers where I can get some work done on them. At this stage if my foot doesnt respond miraculously to the ice packs Ive been using there is no way I could fit any ski boot on as even my joggers cause pain  with any tension at all on the laces

post #6 of 8
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Originally Posted by mauricem View Post

If they have been compressed via thermomoulding  to fit a larger foot will recooking them allow the foam to expand back to the original density?


Should be good for 2-3 heating cycles before foam begins to be compromised. Don't leave the buckles too loose, just loose normal; you want to feel super snug/borderline uncomfortable during the bake. A little extra foam is OK. These pack out too, just not as fast as a normal liner. Pressure spot probably hurt afterwards because when you were wearing boot, pressure cut off circulation, perhaps pressed on a nerve. Not a bunion, will go away. Don't bake while this is irritated or swollen. Or until you've made sure it's not the shell messing you up. Unless you've done this before, suggest you go somewhere that handles these, know what they're doing. Not as simple as microwaving them, and you might need a pro to look at the shell. 

 

post #7 of 8

If they have been baked there will be a more distinct imprint of the boot hardware on the outside of the liner.   No shell hardware imprint - I'd say probably not.

post #8 of 8
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Originally Posted by mauricem View Post

Its the inner one ie the big toe one, already had a bunion there now its like another one suddenly appeared but facing upwards not to the side like a traditional bunion.

 

The boots came with no footbed which I gather is standard for scarpa these days and when I tried them on like this I could easily move the front half  of my foot up and down much more than in my custom fitted head vectors.

 

The bunion wasnt even rubbing, all my other boots have needed solid punches before I could even consider skiing them. The shell just felt too big so I fitted some low volume off the shelf footbeds I had on hand (conformable volcanoes) and tightened the buckles a couple of notches till the fit was reasonably tight but still not as snug as the vectors. I left them on for about 15 minutes with no pain but upon removing them the pain stared kicking in and the lump started forming.

 

I'm wondering if I cranked down too hard effectively numbing the foot?

 

The worst part is the timing, we fly out tomorrow morning for New Zealand and had planned a couple of days at a hill miles from anywhere near a bootfitter before heading back towards one of the major centers where I can get some work done on them. At this stage if my foot doesnt respond miraculously to the ice packs Ive been using there is no way I could fit any ski boot on as even my joggers cause pain  with any tension at all on the laces


I hate to be a downer, but if you've had some need for solid punches from a boot fitter in the past, then I'm wondering why you'd risk a vacation on new boots without proper boot fitting.

Also, Intuition liners are not the same as the thermo flex liners.  They need a bit more care when being heat molded.  I've heard reports of many over baked and destroyed intuitions with DIY cooking.

 

Hope you're enjoying your vacation and that this pair of boots worked out for you.

 

 

 

 

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