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post #61 of 848
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Originally Posted by Squawker View Post




Typical American big-engine bollix! I'll believe it when I feel it. If I can drop to 4th or 3rd whenever I feel like it I can overtake the slowsters.

 

What do you call elevation?? Highest mountain in Norway i 8000ft. Highest pass is 4600ft. No point worrying how the car performs at 11000ft redface.gif

 

Just for fun, I checked the difference in the list prices between the D3 AWD (163hp diesel) and the T6 AWD (304hp petrol) which is the only engine American reviews bother with. Over here the T6 is 85000USD more expensive eek.gif (yes, four hundred and fifty thousand Norwegian kroner, or eighty five thousand US Dollars).

 

Pass! And they won't even give me a manual box with the T6. Double pass!
 

 

post #62 of 848

I've got a Subaru Forester. Enough room to stow pretty much all the gear you'd ever need along with you and 3 of your friends (or 4 if the skis are on the roof), its decent on gas, and it goes absolutely everywhere no problem, the thing's seen 10 canadian winters and never once been stuck. And the old girl's rapidly approaching 300,000 km and still going strong. So its pretty much the ideal skier car.

post #63 of 848

My Subaru Forester rocks in the snow, gets 30 MPG on the highway and is very reliable.  A couple of friends have Lexus hybrid SUV's, LX 300 or 400 or some number or other and seem to really like them, though when I drove them I still felt my Subie was more sure-footed.

post #64 of 848
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Originally Posted by Squawker View Post




Typical American big-engine bollix! I'll believe it when I feel it. If I can drop to 4th or 3rd whenever I feel like it I can overtake the slowsters.

 

What do you call elevation?? Highest mountain in Norway i 8000ft. Highest pass is 4600ft. No point worrying how the car performs at 11000ft redface.gif


I live at 7500 ft.  I have two cars, one with a 1.8L 4-cyl and one with a 2.0L, both have around 300bhp and both are rather small.  It is different over on our side of the pond.

 

post #65 of 848
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Originally Posted by carve View Post

I think a Volvo, BMW, or Mercedes SUV would be great in all criteria but price and reliability.  I have a 335i for my summer car, but I have some winter tires for it.  It does OK on hardpack snow, but I had to cancel a trip this weekend due to reliability problems.  A 535xi wagon or X3 would be great if they were more reliable.  Mercedes ML is one of the least reliable cars you can buy.

 

I have mixed feelings on snow tires.  They're necessary on 2wd in the snow, but I think I might prefer some beefy all seasons with 4wd and chains.  The reason: the snow tires absolutely suck on dry road, and 95% of the miles will be on dry road.  Handling and braking distance are awful.

 

My Jeep gets about 20 mpg.  I'd like something that gets at least 25, preferably more like 30.  The reason: my favorite place to go is almost 300 miles round trip (Taos).  At 20 mpg and $3.70/ gal that's over $55 in gas alone....not even to mention 4-5 trips up to CO per year.  Oh yeah- on a lot of these rural highways we're going 75-80, too.




Taos base is 9200 ft above sea level.  You should put a turbo on your "must have" list.

 

I would avoid "beefy" tires as narrow tires do much better in the snow/slick surfaces.  See this video for a demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7nGXpqb3FE

 

I have rented several SUV's this year, all 2010-2011 models.  On a scale of 1-10 with a 1 being like an old car from the 80's and a 10 being perfect they are;

 

Subaru Forester: 1.5  It got me back to the airport, its only redeeming quality.  What a POS.  Every time I pass one now I wonder about the owners.  Who would buy one?  Did they test drive anything else? 

Dodge Nitro:  4  Ugly, mediocre quality, but did ok over Mt. Rose in a storm with all season tires.

2009 Ford Explorer.  4 Primitive.  Big and lumbering.  In need of the update, I was hoping it was the new model when I chose it.

Jeep Cherokee: 6 Got a lot of looks (surprised me), very vanilla, decent but not outstanding.  Drove it in summer.

Jeep Liberty: 3.  Better than the Subi but not much.  Gutless, cheap, loud.  Drove it in summer in the mountains.

Dodge Durango: 8  Looks a little like a Highlander but otherwise really, really nice car.  Head and shoulders above the others.  Drove it in summer.

post #66 of 848

Well if you're driving up from Texas, you need one of these...

http://www.dodge.ca/en/vehicle_home.php?np=Ram2500_3500&mc=3500_LAR_LONG

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post #67 of 848
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Originally Posted by nwjg View Post




I live at 7500 ft.  I have two cars, one with a 1.8L 4-cyl and one with a 2.0L, both have around 300bhp and both are rather small.  It is different over on our side of the pond.

 

 

Hehe.. I live at 560ft and the majority of my ski days I park at 730ft biggrin.gif Even at Kvitfjell (WC Downhill) the base elevation is 600ft and the summit is 3400ft. Parking about half way in between.
 

 

post #68 of 848

I have an '11 Subie Outback theat I have owned for a little over a year and have 35K miles on already. I air down to 18PSI and take it on the beach. It outperforms my (former) 2 Wranglers and Grand Cherokee in the sand. For the winter I put a set of Blizzak WS70's on it and it is just the most secure feeling vehicle I have ever driven in the snow. It has almost 9" of ground clearance and have never had a problem with it getting where I wanted to go. I got the 3.6R Limited with the nav and I absolutely love this vehicle. It is surprisingly quick (0-60~ 7.5 secs) and I get 26mpg at a steady 75-85 on the highway and aorund 22 around town. The Blizzaks will give you about 1.5 mpg less (they are that sticky) The back seat will fit 2 adults no problem, and the storage area a ton of gear. It has an excellent stereo in the Harmon Kardon. The  negatives are the Nav system ( I just would'n't recommend it), the leather on the seats,(although VERY comfortable I have heard it MAY not wear well) and the soft cornering capabilities.The suspension is really amazing though in that it is extremely compliant and controlled on back (dirt,potholes, washboard) roads. It has excellent headlights and fogs, which as we all know, can make or break a trip in night-time bad-weather driving. The car just feels competent and safe. p.s. ( get the 6 don't b other with the 4)

post #69 of 848

 

Has anyone driven the Crosstour or the TSX wagon in snow yet?

post #70 of 848
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Originally Posted by nwjg View Post


2009 Ford Explorer.  4 Primitive.  Big and lumbering.  In need of the update, I was hoping it was the new model when I chose it.

 

Teh new one has much, much nicer driving dynamics.    A preferred rental vehicle, IMNHO.

post #71 of 848

If you can get past all the stigma and image nonsense, the best winter car I've ever had is a Toyota Sienna AWD minivan.  Absolutely astounding, and great long trip mileage of about 25 with summer tires and 23 with Blizzaks.

 

I built a nice platform for ours.  5 pair of dh skis and 4 pair of xc skis slide underneath nicely, leaving the top available for luggage and the dog!

 

I'm a bit of a car guy, and it amazes my friends that I own this, until I explain that it really isn't a "car".  It is simply an amazing transportation appliance that cannot be beat on long ski or mtb road trips.

post #72 of 848

Subaru's have never done me wrong.

post #73 of 848

When you consider price vs performance vs reliablity vs safety vs resale you will eventually eliminate all vehicles but one, the Subaru Outback.  I currently have a 2011 2.5i Ltd and love it.  Just got back from a trip and got close to 30mpg.  No it won't win any handling awards, but it does have a very nice ride and I have found the 2.5i with CVT transmission to be more than adequate and actually nicer than expected.  I haven't experienced the wheel shimy that many early buyers experienced.  That issue seems to have been worked out.

 

For the record, this is my 5th Subaru AWD wagon, 1 Legacy LSi BO (before Outback) and 4 Outbacks with a total of over 400,000 miles on them and never a major breakdown.  The worse was the ac compressor going on my 1st generation Legacy.  I know there are faster cars, cars that handle better, cars that are more luxorious, but none that beats the price vs everyting else statement I made above..  I have strayed twice from Subaru since that 1990 Legacy, first for a 93 Mazda MPV 4WD and again 10 years later for a 2003 VW Passat GXL 4Motion, but I have always come back to Subaru.

 

As always YMMV.

 

Rick G

post #74 of 848

best ski car, this a little bigger @22 feet but it got a shower,shi$$er,sat dish,lp heater,fridge,4x4. and a kickin stereo with subs under the front seats so you feal bass baby !

 

 

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post #75 of 848

rickg I don't intend to refute your experience with my experience; it is after all your experience and mine and indisputable as such.smile.gif however, 4 cars for 400K miles is not putting enough miles on the cars to know if they are dependable, IMO. Most cars can get to 100K, and if that's all one expects from them, anything will stay together well enough. (although if your 400K was not 4 brand new cars, it is solid testimony to dependability)

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I'm no authority on this, and far from objective, just looking at my car (Subaru)and others (Toyotas) down the block.
 

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Originally Posted by rickg View Post

When you consider price vs performance vs reliablity vs safety vs resale you will eventually eliminate all vehicles but one, the Subaru Outback.  I currently have a 2011 2.5i Ltd and love it.  Just got back from a trip and got close to 30mpg.  No it won't win any handling awards, but it does have a very nice ride and I have found the 2.5i with CVT transmission to be more than adequate and actually nicer than expected.  I haven't experienced the wheel shimy that many early buyers experienced.  That issue seems to have been worked out.

 

For the record, this is my 5th Subaru AWD wagon, 1 Legacy LSi BO (before Outback) and 4 Outbacks with a total of over 400,000 miles on them and never a major breakdown.  The worse was the ac compressor going on my 1st generation Legacy.  I know there are faster cars, cars that handle better, cars that are more luxorious, but none that beats the price vs everyting else statement I made above..  I have strayed twice from Subaru since that 1990 Legacy, first for a 93 Mazda MPV 4WD and again 10 years later for a 2003 VW Passat GXL 4Motion, but I have always come back to Subaru.

 

As always YMMV.

 

Rick G



 


Edited by davluri - 9/13/11 at 7:49pm
post #76 of 848

this is pretty much verbatim the comparison a friend of mine in the Air Force made between fighter jets and tankers. ya' got to be civilized on the road, man.
 

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best ski car, this a little bigger @22 feet but it got a shower,shi$$er,sat dish,lp heater,fridge,4x4. and a kickin stereo with subs under the front seats so you feal bass baby !

 

 

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post #77 of 848
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

rickg I don't intend to refute your experience with my experience; it is after all your experience and mine and indisputable as such.smile.gif however, 4 cars for 400K miles is not putting enough miles on the cars to know if they are dependable, IMO. Most cars can get to 100K, and if that's all one expects from them, anything will stay together well enough. (although if your 400K was not 4 brand new cars, it is solid testimony to dependability)

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I'm no authority on this, and far from objective, just looking at my car (Subaru)and others (Toyotas) down the block.
 



 


 

Well if you compare my experience with Subarus vs the 2003 VW Passat GLX 4 Motion (or other trouble prone vehicles) I had for 70,000, you might agree with me more.  Loved that VW but it had more problems in my 4 years and 80,000 miles than all 5 of my Subies put together.  Most of my adult life I have been in outside sales and my car was my mobile office and when the car was in the shop I wasn't working unless I rented.  I would trust Subies before just about any other brand right now.  For the record, all my Subies were purchased new.

 

My Subies have each gotten between 50-90K ea and have spent far fewer hours in the service bay than any other brand I have owned.  Only car that equals it is my wifes 2006 Honda Pilot, great vehicle but it is a gas pig.

 

Rick G


 

 

post #78 of 848

I second the vote for Honda Pilot AWD.  For a vehicle of it's size it gets good MPG, but not as good as a wagon or car.  HUGE interior for gear, bikes, you name it (they have an interior bike rack option).  If you are driving a crowd, you can comfortably fit 3 normal adults across the back seat. It does great in snow, and has the option to go into 4L if you get stuck and the AWD isn't cutting it.  Definitely safe too, I got hit head-on last year with my wife, kids, and parents all in the car and we all walked away.  And, is there anything more reliable than a Honda?

 

 

post #79 of 848

They REALLY need to redo the center stack on the Pilot, it's a total disaster.  The "how many buttons can we fit in here?!" thing just doesn't work. 

 

Less is more.

post #80 of 848

Nissan makes exactly what I want they just put it in a hideous package...the Juke.  Its AWD with a turbo 4 cylinder that gets about 30 mpg for well under $30K.  I just couldn't look at it in the driveway.

 

Hands down the best vehicle I've owned when it comes to driving in the snow was the 2005 Grand Cherokee we had.  Full time 4WD, traction control, and stability control made if go through snow like nothing else I've driven.  I can only imagine what it would have been like with snow tires.  The only problem was it sucked down fuel like there was no tomorrow, even with the smaller 4.7L V8.  The best I could ever get out of it was 18mpg.  The 2003 Explorer we had  was pretty decent as well but the 4WD system wasn't nearly as smooth as the Jeep's.  Currently I have a 2009 Mazda CX9 that I am extremely happy with and my wife has a Cadillac SRX w/ AWD and the Northstar V8.  The Cadillac drives wonderfully but at just over 100K miles I have serious doubts about its reliability and the GM build quality is really showing through.  Even with the 320HP V8 I can get 22mpg in it on highway road trips.  The CX9 has been fantastic.  I've put 56K miles on it in two years and we are looking to trade it and the Cadillac in on a new 2011 or 2012 CX9 for my wife to drive everyday.  I've seen as high as 24mpg on the the highway with it and average closer to 21 in regular driving.  I actually went in to look at the smaller CX7 but didn't like the interior or the thirst for premium fuel.  Turns out the CX9 is rated the same for fuel economy, has a nicer interior, and I was able to get it for only $1500 more than the CX7.  I'll be sporting a Mini Cooper S soon.  Not exactly optimal for serious snow fall in the mountains but with 25 inches we get a year I think it will be fine with a set of snow tires and it will much more entertaining to drive everyday.  If that 25 inches comes all at once I guess my wife will be stuck at home when I take her car to go skiing.  biggrin.gif

post #81 of 848

Which year are you referring to?  I'm really a big fan of the entire center console / controls area on the 2011 Pilot.  Especially with the tray that slides out to cover some of the storage area if you want.
 

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They REALLY need to redo the center stack on the Pilot, it's a total disaster.  The "how many buttons can we fit in here?!" thing just doesn't work. 

 

Less is more.



 

post #82 of 848

Ah, hadn't seen the 2012 Pilot until today. Looks good.  Recent years have been atrocious, but the 2012 is much better.  Still not a fan of having the shifter way up on the front console, seems like a clash of functionality.

post #83 of 848

^^^^ Cannot speak to the Pilot this year but own a Ridgeline, same truck sans enclosed rear and a bit of suspension. Shift is close to where it was for most of the past 80 years on all cars, then just trucks. It's the sports car wannabe of an auto shift alongside the seat that's silly for a truck or SUV. I'd rather use that space for storage/organization, which abounds in the Pilot/Ridgeline. But anyway, haven't had any functionality issues with using the dash, if that's the issue. 

post #84 of 848

Toyota Matrix AWD.  Ugly as hell (imho), but will hold two fully assembled mountain bikes _and_ the mother in law in the back.

post #85 of 848

Ferrari SUV

 

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Newcomer would rival Cayenne and be the most exclusive SUV in the world

Text: Chris Thorp / Photos: Gianni Siccardi

07th January 2008

 

 

 

Your eyes are not deceiving you – thisSUVhas a prancing horse on the bonnet. In a move set to cause a stir across the world, Ferrari is considering putting its famous name to a rival for the Porsche Cayenne.

Called project F151, the prospect of a Ferrari SUV will cause uproar with car enthusiasts across the globe. However, the firm’s bosses have watched the success of Porsche’s 4x4 with interest, and want to increase profits.

With a practical interior, estate car luggage capacity and rough-road ability, the model would open the Ferrari range up to a huge new customer base. Still in its early stages, the project is yet to be given the green light by bosses nervous of tarnishing Ferrari’s legendary brand image. Our shots shows what the classy off-roader could look like in showroom-ready trim. At around five metres long and two metres wide, the jacked-up Ferrari would offer luxurious transport for five passengers to travel in style.

While designers face the challenge of making the Ferrari beautiful, engineers have to make it live up to the firm’s dynamic reputation. Powerplants are yet to be finalised, but it’s thought that the Ferrari will be offered with a choice of V8 and V12 engines from the firm’s existing stable.

The four-wheel-drive transmission will be a more difficult challenge. With no system of its own available, Ferrari is expected to develop existing technology borrowed from another car maker, with Mercedes the hot favourite.

A cheaper alternative would be to use Ferrari’s own rear-drive 612 Scaglietti platform. Coupled to a hi-tech traction control system, the running gear could be set up to cope with off-road conditions, but it’s most likely the maker wouldfocuson class-leading handling.

While an SUV from sister firm Maserati was planned, bosses have shelved that idea in favour of a Ferrari4x4with a higher price tag. Buyers will be asked to pay well in excess of £100,000. If the F151 gets the go-ahead, the Ferrari will be revealed in concept form in 2010 before going on sale a year later.



Read more:http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/214479/ferrari_suv.html#ixzz1ayKq39WV

 

post #86 of 848

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Selectable 4wd with manual transmission, locking differentials front and rear, skinny studded siped aggressive tires, more than enough room and power (450hp,790ftlbs at ground) to carry 60 pairs of skis, 3 10'x10' tent, tuning tables, and gear bags. Gets as good as 11L/100km and worst ever was 17L/100km.

 

post #87 of 848

thinking about a golf r with some tuning it would be a blast

 

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post #88 of 848
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I believe I remember that one of my clients had an all wheel drive Ferrari, mid engine, Spyder I think. correct? going for accuracy in a f'd up brain.



No, unfortunately they never made an AWD car, at least not yet anyways as the FF isn't here quite yet.  That will make one mean ski vehicle though when it does happen.  They toyed with the idea in the 408 concept in the 80s but never did put one together, hopefully they will follow through this time.  I can't even imagine how amazing cars like the 430 and italia would be if they did go AWD.



 

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http://www.luxist.com/2011/01/23/ferrari-confirms-awd-hatchback-ferrari/ 

 

Google is your friend:



 

No, reality is.  That's not a real car yet.  Until it hits the shores, it never happened wink.gif

post #89 of 848

I really like my Mazda CX-9. Drives good and gots lots of room for stuff, whether it be people, ski equipment, or both.

post #90 of 848

I just have to throw in that a 4dr wrangler is pretty awesome except for gas mileage and power( although the new 2012s have a better engine in them) Plus they go any where

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but in all seriousness it works great in snow and with a winch you can self rescue. Also FJ's are great too

 

 

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