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Originally Posted by crgildart

And I'll take a rear wheel drive car with chains (and sand bags in the trunk) over a front wheel drive car with snows climbing a hill.. so there!

Sure, use the GRF on the fronts for steering and the GRF on the rear for propulsion, makes total sense.

Really folks.   This thread is the "Best Ski Cars" thread.  Not the "why all cars suck with crappy tires" thread..

Wait.. What if the front wheels are slipping? Won't an AWD provide better traction than a Front WD by shifting torque to the non-slipping back wheels?

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Originally Posted by cantunamunch

That is  correct.     Two identically weighted cars with identical tires on the exact same surface have exactly the same traction (maximum ground reaction force).

All 4WD/AWD does is shift which wheel it applies drive torque to.       Driving torque != traction.        Traction is ground reaction force.

The ability to split drive torque to several wheels while those wheels have not exceeded their GRF maxima, does _not_ increase the GRF maxima.

Make up your mind.    How in the world am I going to Post Purchase Rationalize my snows if I don't bicker in this thread?

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Originally Posted by crgildart

Really folks.   This thread is the "Best Ski Cars" thread.  Not the "why all cars suck with crappy tires" thread..

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Originally Posted by GettingThere

Wait.. What if the front wheels are slipping? Won't an AWD provide better traction than a Front WD by shifting torque to the non-slipping back wheels?

IF the back wheels are non slipping then an AWD (if programmed right), /might/ make the remaining traction usable...but it won't give /better/ traction and it can easily cause the rears to break free also.

Think of AWD/4WD as a "might bandaid loss of traction" arrangement, not a "gives better" arrangement.

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Originally Posted by GettingThere

Wait.. What if the front wheels are slipping? Won't an AWD provide better traction than a Front WD by shifting torque to the non-slipping back wheels?

Maybe....it depends on the drivetrain, maybe not. You might be surprised how many do NOT.

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Originally Posted by crgildart

Really folks.   This thread is the "Best Ski Cars" thread.  Not the "why all cars suck with crappy tires" thread..

you're doing it wrong......soft compound and spikes get it done around here ...

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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash

you're doing it wrong......soft compound and spikes get it done around here ...

I made a set of those for my BMX bike with a bunch of nuts/bolts, duct tape, and inner tubes when I was in junior high.  Do they still have those sick ice races up north where people get run over by those spikes?

Oh...so this is the tire thread.

and girls skiing?

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Originally Posted by Tog

Oh...so this is the tire thread.

and girls skiing?

I'm waiting for it to turn into the Pirelli calendar thread.

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Originally Posted by Tog

Can't we all get along??

http://blog.funkyozzi.com/2011_01_01_archive.html

I'll see your snow bunny and raise you a trio of telebunnies.....

^^Ok, I guess I won that hand.

Ok...

Back on track.

Lambo ski car. Jon Olson's  Gallardo LP560

That's not photoshop.

http://fancytuning.com/tag/lamborghini-gallardo/

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Originally Posted by Tog

Oh...so this is the tire thread.

and girls skiing?

so, you got something against shred betties?

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Originally Posted by cantunamunch

I'm waiting for it to turn into the Pirelli calendar thread.

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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash

so, you got something against shred betties?

You got somethin' against surfers?

http://www.lat34.com/quick_hits_archive-_nov.htm

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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash

seg...this is a simple case of bartering. Work with me here.......

\ˈbär-tər\       to trade by exchanging one commodity for another

Yeah, by the way, it wasn't so hard to get the car after all.

I did get my first speeding ticket. Which I kind of set out to do... Unfortunately it wasn't very far into the trip, and I had to behave the rest of the time.

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Originally Posted by segbrown

Yeah, by the way, it wasn't so hard to get the car after all.

I did get my first speeding ticket. Which I kind of set out to do... Unfortunately it wasn't very far into the trip, and I had to behave the rest of the time.

seg.....they really can spoil all the fun ( I didn't think you'd have any trouble getting the car...)

may I suggest.....

haha, yeah, that's ok. If I did more such trips, sure, but we usually fly. Ten miles over the speed limit on I-70 is plenty fast enough in a 6,000-lb hunk of inertia -- I rarely feel the need to go any faster than what is "legal."

Yesterday was the worst afternoon of left-lane idiocy I have ever seen, though. At least 10 cars at one point or the other between Vail and Morrison doing 55 in the left lane. Downhill. Two were cars full of Japanese tourists, so I cut them a little slack, but still.

The only thing I've ever agreed with Rossi Smash on - if you ever speed, Valentine 1's pay for themselves.

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Originally Posted by guroo270

The only thing I've ever agreed with Rossi Smash on - if you ever speed, Valentine 1's pay for themselves.

Yep, around here getting caught at more than 15 over gets you a mandatory court appearance.

The Valentine 1 helps level the playing field

Hands down a Subaru, you'll never understand until you drive one through a blizzard then a sheet of ice, nothing compares.

911 Turbo

I would beg to differ! Can you say Audi Quattro!

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Originally Posted by k2skier

Hands down a Subaru, you'll never understand until you drive one through a blizzard then a sheet of ice, nothing compares.

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Originally Posted by segbrown

Yesterday was the worst afternoon of left-lane idiocy I have ever seen, though. At least 10 cars at one point or the other between Vail and Morrison doing 55 in the left lane. Downhill. Two were cars full of Japanese tourists, so I cut them a little slack, but still.

Maybe the slack is unwarranted.
Clearly it wasn't these Japanese drivers who managed to wreck 1 mill in cruisers in 1 minute. Even Nicolas Cage isn't that bad.

"Oh the humanity!"

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### Gone in less than 60 seconds: 11 luxury sports cars wrecked in expensive pileup

The Associated Press reports from

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Traffic police spokesman Mitsuyoshi Isejima called the event "a gathering of narcissists," according to Bloomberg.  He said the drivers were aged between 37 and 60 years old.

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Originally Posted by guroo270
The only thing I've ever agreed with Rossi Smash on - if you ever speed, Valentine 1's pay for themselves.

You mean you didn't like the tele-bikini skiers?

See, Rossi. I did win that hand.

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Originally Posted by Tog You mean you didn't like the tele-bikini skiers?

See, Rossi. I did win that hand.

"No one cares that they tele"

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Originally Posted by k2skier

Hands down a Subaru, you'll never understand until you drive one through a blizzard then a sheet of ice, nothing compares.

I HATE the whimpy brakes on my 09 Forester.  It goes CLUNK KA KLUNK KLUNK KA KLUNK as the calipers disengage and engage with the pedal bouncing while braking on really slick icy surfaces.  The 4 wheel disk on my 96 Trooper LS was much better.  It is also annoying to have to occasionally disable the traction control going up really sketchy mountain roads.

Subaru is a decent ski car.  I like it a lot. It handles a lot better than the SUVs, but there are things about the Trooper that I preferred.

That's right, I admitted there are things about my ski car that aren't perfect, and it is a recent Subaru

Anyone else anywhere in this thread dis their own car yet?

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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash

seg.....they really can spoil all the fun ( I didn't think you'd have any trouble getting the car...)

may I suggest.....

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Originally Posted by carve

Any other thoughts on what qualities make a good ski car, and which car is best?

Regardless of how reliable cars are these days one of the key requirements I believe is ease of service/getting service if indeed they do break down.  For those in the Northeast:

There is exactly one BMW dealer in Vermont (in Shelburne near Burlington)

There are no Land Rover dealerships in Vermont

There are 4 Audi dealers in Vermont

There are 5 Subaru dealers in Vermont

I have a 2010 Tahoe.  Lots of room, Surprising fuel economy (I get at least 21MPG HWY even in the dead of winter driving 75MPH), has been completely problem free and any practically service station in North America can service it.  My wife's had a BMW x3, my sister in law has an x5, my brother in law the Lexus RDX, my parents have a Honda Pilot and my in laws have an Acura MDX... so lots of  vehicles that I've ridden in and compared it against.  The handling may not be as sporty as the other vehicles but the Tahoe blows every one of them away in comfort and ride quality.  I can drive the Tahoe 1-1/2 hour to the slopes and arrive no less tired/fatigued than when I left.  My only regret is that I didn't go bigger and get the Suburban.

Tog, you did win that hand.  I'll go with the hot asian any day of the week.

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