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Best expert all mountain ski from 2011

post #1 of 36
Thread Starter 

I'm looking to get a new (at least to me) pair of skis.  I'm an expert skier of about 20 years.  I ski mostly on piste, and will be skiing in the Rocky Mountains (Utah, Arizona, Colorado).  I'm 5'10" and 175lbs.  I love to ski the edges of trails and just crank out as many turns as I can before the bottom.

 

Any suggestions on the best ski for the money?  

post #2 of 36

How much do you want / intend to go off piste in the future?

post #3 of 36
Thread Starter 

I'd say my skiing will be 70% on 30% off, so I'm looking for a good carving or slalom ski that can do a decent job in the powder.  I want a thinner ski that can turn as fast as I can make them.

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Originally Posted by sawyer1370 View Post

I'd say my skiing will be 70% on 30% off, so I'm looking for a good carving or slalom ski that can do a decent job in the powder.  I want a thinner ski that can turn as fast as I can make them.


AC 30 and  Solomon Enduro (my new fav)   These skis RIP and do exactly what you want, it's like they are an extension of your mind.    by todays standards they are thin and in my opinion rip the powder (unless you are one of those people who can only ski powder on fats, which it doesn't sound like you are).   I have skied both skis on SEVERAL occasions,  in simple terms they are an extension of my body....    the AC 50 also jams, but I like the Enduro better so this is my opinion.  I also think the Enduro is a true dark horse in the market, they are black and bad a$$. 

 

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Pre 10/11 Head IM78/Peak 78 but not the 10/11 model.

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Dynastar Contact 4x4 in 172

post #7 of 36

Dude, no.

 

Those skis all suck. For those who haven't heard, the new rossignol experience 74 carbon skis are the new shiznits, even skier bum would agree with me. They will rip the cord like no other. Plus they come with bindings which is sweet. Ya the din is even super high for super extreme expert groom skiers with a range of 3-10.

 

Enjoy

 

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Originally Posted by sawyer1370 View Post

I'd say my skiing will be 70% on 30% off, so I'm looking for a good carving or slalom ski that can do a decent job in the powder.  I want a thinner ski that can turn as fast as I can make them.

You're not going to find a slalom ski, or carver optimized for quick short radius turns, that'll be enjoyable in the powder. As you know, being an expert skier. So I'd suggest you need to face a decision. Either go for a shorter radius carver such as the Blizzard Supersonic, Stockli CX, Progressor 8, the list goes on, all good skis, or go for a midfat in the middle high 80's that can carve well and will handle soft snow and bumps and all that. Here, also a lot of good choices. At your size, lot to be said for the Blizzard Bushwacker, Sollie Enduro, Sultan 85, Rossi 82Ti, also check out Atomic line. Good reviews in Gear Review forum or opening page gear section, try a search. Sierra Jim, Phil, and Dawgcatching have done some solid reviews. In al honesty, don't understand why a good skier in the rockies seeking a one ski quiver would gravitate to short radius carvers, but hey, I'm slow about a lot of things. 
 

 


Edited by beyond - 9/7/11 at 6:46am
post #9 of 36

I get the sense those Rossi's have a definite speed limit though, they don't strike me as a hard charger.

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no gunner those rossignol are the bomb. made for extreme experts only. Don't believe the hype that they are for beginner/intermediate skiiers. pssh.

 

They have carbon in them. Plus the din goes all the way to 10. That is super high. we all know that.

 

seriously though... An expert who primarily skis grooms?   Get a race ski. </end rant>

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I get the sense those Rossi's have a definite speed limit though, they don't strike me as a hard charger.


GB, sarcasm meter broken?BSmeter.gif

 

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GB, sarcasm meter broken?BSmeter.gif

 


I think there's more than one meter broken after reading about that super high expert only DIN of 10.ROTF.gif

 

post #13 of 36
Thread Starter 

Ok, so I'm gonna need a mid-fat ski, since we will be skiing Utah and Tahoe once a year and want something I can ski in powder at least a few runs.  So any thoughts on these, as they seem to have gotten very good reviews here:

 

-k2 Rictor

-Atomic Nomad Blackeye Ti

-Volkl Kendo

-Salomon Shogun

 

Am I barking up the right tree?

post #14 of 36

Heh, I do what I can. wink.gif

 

 

Sawyer, you might want to consider the Nomad Crimson instead of the Blackeye.  Crimson's 88mm underfoot is more in line with your other options.

post #15 of 36

Don't forget the Blizzard Bushwacker and Kastle MX88 as potential options to consider.
 

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Originally Posted by sawyer1370 View Post

Ok, so I'm gonna need a mid-fat ski, since we will be skiing Utah and Tahoe once a year and want something I can ski in powder at least a few runs.  So any thoughts on these, as they seem to have gotten very good reviews here:

 

-k2 Rictor

-Atomic Nomad Blackeye Ti

-Volkl Kendo

-Salomon Shogun

 

Am I barking up the right tree?



 

post #16 of 36

Did you forget the wink.gif ?
 

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They have carbon in them. Plus the din goes all the way to 10. That is super high. we all know that.

 



 

post #17 of 36

Nordica Firearrow 80 or Rossignol Avenger 82 Ti.  Exactly what you're asking for: powerful and carve oriented but smooth-flexing and versatile enough to go off piste or into bumps occasionally.  For a bit burlier ski, try the Blizzard Magnum 8.1 or 8.7.  If you want to go a bit wider, consider the Saloman Shogun, Dynastar Sultan 85 or, possibly, the new Dynastar Outland or Rossi Experience lines (80-88 waists).  All excellent but feel slightly different.  Kastle MX88 if you can afford it.  Demo if possible.

post #18 of 36

If you like damp and forgiving you'll like the K2 products. I'd skip the Rictor and try the Aftershock - similar characteristics on the groomers but the Aftershocks will be better off piste. It's a beefier ski with better rebound, and turns on a dime.

 

If you want to haul a$$ and never worry about edge hold or stability, you'll like the Blizzard.

post #19 of 36

<deleted due to a major misread on my part>


Edited by JayT - 9/7/11 at 8:52pm
post #20 of 36
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Originally Posted by jmaie View Post

If you like damp and forgiving you'll like the K2 products. I'd skip the Rictor and try the Aftershock - similar characteristics on the groomers but the Aftershocks will be better off piste. It's a beefier ski with better rebound, and turns on a dime.

 

If you want to haul a$$ and never worry about edge hold or stability, you'll like the Blizzard.


I skied the aftershock for 2 days, nice ski handled everything great, didn't rip as fast or hard as the volkl or Enduro, but it was better in the bumps.   Can't go wrong with any of them frankly, just depends on which way you want to go.  

 

post #21 of 36
Thread Starter 
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I skied the aftershock for 2 days, nice ski handled everything great, didn't rip as fast or hard as the volkl or Enduro, but it was better in the bumps.   Can't go wrong with any of them frankly, just depends on which way you want to go.  

 


Yea I figured it's splitting hairs at this point.  It will depend on where I can get a great ski from last year in new or like new condition.  I'm sure no matter what I pick, it will be better than the 8 year old Rossi slalom ski's I have now, that were the first gen of shaped skis and are a whopping 195cm.

Now, does anyone know some good places to find some of these skis online from a trusted retailer or ski shop?

 

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Just realised I didn't specify which Blizzard. I was referring to the (2011) Magnum 8.1 which I enjoyed on some hard pack and ice last season. They seemed quite stable no matter the speed.

 

 

 
post #25 of 36
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Originally Posted by JayT View Post

This is pretty much the exact opposite of all the reviews... everywhere.  At least for the Bushwacker, that is.
 


Uh, I've skied all Blizzards from the G-Power and Supersonic through the One, including discontinued models like the Cronus, Titan 8, and 9, except for the M-Power. Blizzards IMO tie Kastle for the best average grip of any brand. Carvers are near race ski grippy and stabile, read Sierra Jim's comments about the G-Power on a prepared GS course. Magnum 8.1 and 8.7 are scare-the-tourist fast (borrowed phrase from a ski magazine but apt) and solid, real ice skates. Apparently the M-Power is mostly for heavier guys who aren't racing that day. The Bushwacker is a very specialized softer snow ski, had a decent speed limit for me, but I made it clear in my review even that probably reflected my skill set, not the ski. BPWA freaking rips on them (read his reviews or I can send you video), and we both think it has solid grip for an 88. IME it's not as much of a total ice skate as the MX88, for instance, but no other 88 is, either. It's as good or better than others in that class such as the VXL, Sultan, Kendo, and Apex, just  lot lighter so you have to get used to the feeling at speed. The One is decently stabile and fast for a softer ski aimed at freeriding trees and powder (try other reviews also by BPWA, SJ, Dawg etc), and I've read posts from, oh, say 6,898 people here that the Bonafide has serious grip and solidity at any speed you'd take a 98. Apparently ditto for the Cochise and up. So unless I'm misreading your quip, unclear what Blizzard reviews you're reading that downgrade their grip or stability at speed. Just sayin' th_dunno-1[1].gif

 

post #26 of 36

You're right - I completely misread what you originally wrote and somehow took away the exact opposite of what you were saying.  That's what I get for working knee-deep in an excel spreadsheet all day today (brain goes to mush).
 

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Uh, I've skied all Blizzards from the G-Power and Supersonic through the One, including discontinued models like the Cronus, Titan 8, and 9, except for the M-Power. Blizzards IMO tie Kastle for the best average grip of any brand. Carvers are near race ski grippy and stabile, read Sierra Jim's comments about the G-Power on a prepared GS course. Magnum 8.1 and 8.7 are scare-the-tourist fast (borrowed phrase from a ski magazine but apt) and solid, real ice skates. Apparently the M-Power is mostly for heavier guys who aren't racing that day. The Bushwacker is a very specialized softer snow ski, had a decent speed limit for me, but I made it clear in my review even that probably reflected my skill set, not the ski. BPWA freaking rips on them (read his reviews or I can send you video), and we both think it has solid grip for an 88. IME it's not as much of a total ice skate as the MX88, for instance, but no other 88 is, either. It's as good or better than others in that class such as the VXL, Sultan, Kendo, and Apex, just  lot lighter so you have to get used to the feeling at speed. The One is decently stabile and fast for a softer ski aimed at freeriding trees and powder (try other reviews also by BPWA, SJ, Dawg etc), and I've read posts from, oh, say 6,898 people here that the Bonafide has serious grip and solidity at any speed you'd take a 98. Apparently ditto for the Cochise and up. So unless I'm misreading your quip, unclear what Blizzard reviews you're reading that downgrade their grip or stability at speed. Just sayin' th_dunno-1%5B1%5D.gif

 



 

post #27 of 36

Here.

 

2011 Aftershocks, $649 shipped. I got their last pair in 174, they still have 181's which isn't aslong as it sounds - they have that soft 30cm rockered tip.

post #28 of 36

Enduros.  No one loves damp more than me (a former Volant enthusiast), but Aftershocks are dull performers.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/102886/demo-day-briefs-50-50-skis-84-to-88mm-wide#post_1327079

 

http://www.epicski.com/products/salomon-xt-850-enduro-ski/reviews/2099

 

 

 

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post #29 of 36
Thread Starter 

Well I would really like the Volkl Kendo, but it's a little out of my price range, so I'm leaning towards the Atomic Nomad Blackeye Ti.

 

I love this forum, because a question like this brings out some great people with some great input.  Thanks to everyone for sounding off!

post #30 of 36

Blackeye.....NICE!  Look at the Crimsons too, they're more versatile as all mountain at 88mm underfoot.

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