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post #31 of 46
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post



"AC30's fairly useless for such pursuits compared to the others you mention". Nice cherry picking. Oh, and also, I said "it's very stiff so it's good for groomer schralping", Suggestion - Read, think, understand, then type.

 

Every year there's someone who goes on endlessly that the AC30 is the end-all all mountain ski. Funny stuff. Yes I've been on a few pairs of AC30's, and COMPARED TO OTHER STUFF, they're often not in the game, and I can bend them just fine thanks. I've been 43 years starting on long straight planks, ski or demo 20+ pairs of skis a year, and in addition have 3 quivers of 3 or 4 skis less than 2 seasons old stashed around the North American continent, so thanks so much for your insight, and cherry picking of quotes.

 

Anyway, to the OP - good choice and have a ball on them.

You said it was OK going down groomers, I think they absolutely rip on groomers.     You also say it's one trick pony, I can tell you that I have skied the AC 30 in every condition and it is more than capable.  I always say it isn't the skis, they just help out a little...    I know it's an old ski and not made anymore as of this year, but it made it's mark because it is a great ski.  I wasn't questioning your skiing ability but Perhaps they were too aggressive for you.

Question,  So you have 3 quivers of 3 or 4 skis ????    why? 
 

 

post #32 of 46
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post



 



And they are also probably too much for a guy that has only been skiing for a year. To much ski is a big  hindrance when starting out. You need to develop your skill set on something that will work with you....

 

Personally I think if the AC 30 is too much then so will the Blizzard 8.1,    But he did say he was a level 7 so, I was going off of that.  
 

 

post #33 of 46
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Originally Posted by pdiddy View Post

Personally I think if the AC 30 is too much then so will the Blizzard 8.1,    But he did say he was a level 7 so, I was going off of that.  
 



In one year of skiing?  th_dunno-1[1].gif

 

post #34 of 46
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In one year of skiing?  th_dunno-1%5B1%5D.gif

 

Well I wasn't going to go there,  
 

 

post #35 of 46

People learn at diffferent rates.  The OP already decided on the 8.1, so this thread is now officially cooked.  Since it is cooked, let's talk about the AC30 as an east coast general purpose ski.

 

At 80 mm it's a little bit too wide for blasting groomers.  It also lacks a little bit of performance when compared to other Völkls I would consider better suited to the land of hard snow in my portion of the "EAST", such as Racetigers and Tigershark11s and can be easily overpowered, but this is a beginning skier, so probably would have been OK.   Of course if his little patch of the "EAST" has a lot more soft snow like say Jay Peak, and he will spend some time off the trails in the trees, he could stand to err on the softer wider side of things.

 

It's amazing how different experience leads to different perspectives.

 

As it is I think OP made the right choice; from what I've been able to gather, the Magnum 8.1 is a great ski for a wide range of abilities and snow surfaces, and delivers a good level of performance to boot, so is the Contact 4x4, but the 4x4 lacks the forgiveness of the Blizzard.

post #36 of 46
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

In one year of skiing?  th_dunno-1%5B1%5D.gif

 


 

Well..just basing off various descriptions I have seen of levels...could be a 6? I ski blues and blacks no probs and can get down moguls at slower speeds...so whatever that makes me. When I wasn't skiing last year, I studied just about every youtube video I could and read everything I could on technique. I'm not into it to be the best or the fastest--I just caught onto it late in life (in my early 40's) and love it so I'm playing mighty catch up...

 

They may well all be too much, but the Blizzi's seem to have some level of forgiveness. I guess I am going to find out... ;)

 

 

 

 

post #37 of 46



 

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Originally Posted by vcovco View Post

The deed is done. The quarter landed on tails--twice, so you know it has to be true (lol). I ordered the Blizzard 8.1 179s from liquidationsports.com . Thanks to EVERYONE for their input--it was immensely helpful in deciding! I can't thank you all enough for taking the time to respond.

 

Please pray for me for when my wife sees the UPS guy headed down the walkway with a box of skis....

 

Noow I just need to convince myself that 179 was the better size to choose compared to 172...

 

Cheers!!!


For your size, 179 is perfect. 

You've made the decision, so the ski itself is perfect.

 

Most important of all.... have fun on them! 

 

 

...and tell your wife that someone must have made a mistake and (ahem) you'll take care of that on your own.....

Once they're in the house, you're home free.
 

 

post #38 of 46
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Originally Posted by vcovco View PostWell..just basing off various descriptions I have seen of levels...could be a 6? I ski blues and blacks no probs and can get down moguls at slower speeds...so whatever that makes me. When I wasn't skiing last year, I studied just about every youtube video I could and read everything I could on technique. I'm not into it to be the best or the fastest--I just caught onto it late in life (in my early 40's) and love it so I'm playing mighty catch up...

 

They may well all be too much, but the Blizzi's seem to have some level of forgiveness. I guess I am going to find out... ;)

 



It wasn't at all a slam. Just a qualifier as to what may be the better match for where you are now and where they can take you over the next couple of years.

 

The skis are ordered, you made a great choice and the right size too. I suspect that you will also have no trouble enjoying them during the upcoming season.

I'll keep an eye open weeknights at Sundown for ya....

 

 

 

post #39 of 46
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Not to overcook the thread..but they are all indeed great skis and worth discussing further (well stated, Ghost)...especially for those who might be considering used skis and since 2 of the 3 have been discontinued. Kastle is an intriguing choice, as well...the used ones I found were a little higher $$ otherwise would have noted.  Another factor for me was that the 8.1s were cheapest. I honestly wish I could have tried (and bought) all 3, but not in the cards...

 

TCH and ROSSI SMASH--would love to meet up with ya this season (and all you other crazy kids!)

 

At any rate--awesome site and keep the faith, all!

post #40 of 46
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...and tell your wife that someone must have made a mistake and (ahem) you'll take care of that on your own.....

Once they're in the house, you're home free.
 

 



ps....lolololol...for some reason I can already picture that happening...

post #41 of 46
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Originally Posted by pdiddy View Post



You said it was OK going down groomers, I think they absolutely rip on groomers.     You also say it's one trick pony, I can tell you that I have skied the AC 30 in every condition and it is more than capable.  I always say it isn't the skis, they just help out a little...  Perhaps they were too aggressive for you.

Question,  So you have 3 quivers of 3 or 4 skis ????    why? 
 

 

 

Right. With some of the skis in my quivers, AC30's are too aggressive for me rolleyes.gif.

 

3 quivers (4 actually in you count what's in FL) at Whistler, SLC and CT so I don't have to carry skis around during the season, and so I have the best for the local conditions, as maritime snow at WB is far from SLC powder, or northleast dreck - that's why the different quivers - OK with you?

 

Really, every year there's some AC30 fanboy who apparently believes they're decent all mountain skis, which only indicates that they either haven't been on a real mountain, or been on a good all-mountain ski. Read the reviews here and you'll see that those who ski a lot, and on a lot of skis don't have the AC30 in their venacular. Anywhere. Try telling the TGR crowd about how great AC30's are as an all mountain ski. That would be funny.

post #42 of 46
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post



 

Right. With some of the skis in my quivers, AC30's are too aggressive for me rolleyes.gif.

 

3 quivers (4 actually in you count what's in FL) at Whistler, SLC and CT so I don't have to carry skis around during the season, and so I have the best for the local conditions, as maritime snow at WB is far from SLC powder, or northleast dreck - that's why the different quivers - OK with you?

 

Really, every year there's some AC30 fanboy who apparently believes they're decent all mountain skis, which only indicates that they either haven't been on a real mountain, or been on a good all-mountain ski. Read the reviews here and you'll see that those who ski a lot, and on a lot of skis don't have the AC30 in their venacular. Anywhere. Try telling the TGR crowd about how great AC30's are as an all mountain ski. That would be funny.

Don't know what your skis are, sooo,  couldn't tell you. 

actually I was just curious why you had 3 different quivers, didn't make sense to me, simple question.  

I ski plenty, tried lots of ski's, what you are forgetting is, the TITLE OF THIS THREAD IS ASKING ABOUT THE AC30.......  I replied. and I do think the AC30 is a great ski, i also like the Gotama, Prophet 100's, Mantra,   enduro blahhh blahhh blahhh,    Plenty of people on TGR that would agree that it ain't the ski's but the legs doing the skiing..... 
 

 

post #43 of 46
Thread Starter 

FWIW,

 

The AC30's do seem to be popular in the northeast, and they seem to be famous for their tenacious edge-grip. I spoke with a local few ski shops and they were highly touted. Many posts I found claimed they were very stiff, and they do certainly seem geared for toward the aggressive skier. I think that was one reason why I myself shied away--I will be bringing my nine year old out with me quite a bit, so I wanted a mix of 'fun' thrown in, as well...

 

I would imagine that a waist of 80 would allow them to do quite well on other parts of the mountain...of course, having never skied on them, just basing upon the posts I ran across...

 

I mentioned nonchalantly to the wife that I had ordered some skis--used of course--and I am still living to write this, so I may just grab the dynastars or volkls yet ;)

post #44 of 46

Nonchalance ... that's exactly the right tone for the message.  Perhaps even better, you will have been so nonchalant that she will forget.  Then, when the FedEx guy shows up and she starts to freak, you can point out that you already spoke to her about it.  Is she going wacko on you?  That'll set her back.

 

....You have much to learn about the ways of surreptitious acquisition, Grasshopper.....

post #45 of 46

HAHA, nice..........

post #46 of 46
Thread Starter 

'Zactly 

 

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