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One for the ages.

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I won't spoil it for anyone that hasn't watched yet, but today's DH World Championships will go down in the annals of cycling history as one of the most legendary runs of all time.

post #2 of 21

I think you can link the run. Its FREAKING incrediable

post #3 of 21

Wow.  I just watched it.  Unbelievable.

 

I'll go ahead and put the link out there for anyone who hasn't seen it yet and wants to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCMQPzKcFqs

post #4 of 21
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Yeah, amazing. Amazing as that video is, I think it's probably a little bit tough to fully appreciate it when out of the context of all the other riders. The whole race was insane. It was full of this - 

 

They were barely able to finish the race because it ran so late with like 5-6 medevac flights early on. Then to see Danny smash it like that was just unrreal. I was yelling at my monitor just like Nigel Page in the commentary box.

post #5 of 21

Here's a pretty fun comparison someone put together.  This is Danny Hart on the left and apparently the guy who was in first place at the time of his run on the right.  They timed the videos so Danny's start is delayed and you can watch him catch up.  I'd recommend muting the video on the right while watching.

 

http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzCMQPzKcFqs&start1=0&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DuheUOZu6TDs&start2=11&authorName=Hip+Hop

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I guess that is impressive, but nothing that you don't see moto cross riders doing with way, way more speed and air.  I'm sure I'm missing something.  What is it?  They make quicker turns than someone on a heavy bike with a motor, but I just don't get much wow out of that.

post #8 of 21
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Well, in all truth, the one run taken out of context is a little less impressive when you don't get to see the multiple former Worls Champs all utterly failing before him. I think it's also hard to appreciate how insanely steep that track is.

 

I couldn't make this embed, but it might give yo an idea of the steepness - http://lp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb7097076/p4pb7097076.jpg

 

Or how about this helmet cam from a former WC rider - http://freecaster.tv/mountainbike/1017572/santa-cruz-course-ride-presented-by-fox-racing-shox-world-championships-2011

 

Trust me on this. That's as good as it gets.

post #9 of 21

Here's my ski analogy:  US XC ski team member Andy Newell doing freestyle on cross country skis.  No one else can do this stuff on 44 mm skis and boots as light as running shoes, but the clip won't be going viral soon.  Sort of how DH mtb compares to motocross.  I'm sure I'm just showing outsider ignorance---I can't think of seeing motocross down something as steep as a ski trail, and they might have trouble staying out of the woods on that course.  What do you think- would a moto beat the mtb on a steep course with no pedalling?

 

 

 

post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post

I guess that is impressive, but nothing that you don't see moto cross riders doing with way, way more speed and air.  I'm sure I'm missing something.  What is it?  They make quicker turns than someone on a heavy bike with a motor, but I just don't get much wow out of that.


The camera takes a lot of the steepness and technical nature of the riding out.  Add to that having to pedal and then ride that technically with your heart pounding and still take the jumps that fluidly at the end. 

 

You're totally right about motos having more speed and air.  But, in terms of someone within the discipline being dominant, what he did was frankly awe-inspiring.  At a micro level, I can go to a pumptrack and have my jaw drop watching a really fluid rider, even though the speeds are very low and the jumps very mellow.  Of course, pumptrack contests aren't going to fill stadiums anytime soon, and supercross does.  DH MTB is probably closer to sx but yeah a bit more subtle.

 

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  But, in terms of someone within the discipline being dominant, what he did was frankly awe-inspiring. 



OK, I looked at the times and I get it---the gap between first and second was the same as the time gap between second and 16th.  Sort of like Stenmark winning a WC GS by five seconds.  You'd have to know the sport to be impressed watching the run, but you got to recognize total dominance.

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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post

Here's my ski analogy:  US XC ski team member Andy Newell doing freestyle on cross country skis.  No one else can do this stuff on 44 mm skis and boots as light as running shoes, but the clip won't be going viral soon.  Sort of how DH mtb compares to motocross.  I'm sure I'm just showing outsider ignorance---I can't think of seeing motocross down something as steep as a ski trail, and they might have trouble staying out of the woods on that course.  What do you think- would a moto beat the mtb on a steep course with no pedalling?

 

 

 


 

the MTB would win on that course nearly every time.

 

 

 

 

post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post

What do you think- would a moto beat the mtb on a steep course with no pedalling?

 


Well, here's a video of a DH World Champion racing an Enduro Champion down a somewhat flat and open DH course that seems like ti would suit the moto very well.

IMHO - the dirtbike would stand no chance at all at Champery. I think it's just too heavy and would be stuck in the catch fence as soon as it got steep.


Edited by epic - 9/11/11 at 2:23pm
post #14 of 21

Cool clip, and close race!  Thanks for putting that up.

post #15 of 21

Definitely a cool clip.  While I do think moto is a better overall workout than MTB or road biking, it was also amusing to see the, umm, fuller cheeks for the enduro rider.  Riding a dirtbike is great x-training for mtb, but there are some telling differences, including where soreness happens, ease of bunny-hopping, and some aspects of cornering,  One thing the full suspension can do in both cases is make fairly flat terrain seem like powder. 

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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post

I guess that is impressive, but nothing that you don't see moto cross riders doing with way, way more speed and air.  I'm sure I'm missing something.  What is it?  They make quicker turns than someone on a heavy bike with a motor, but I just don't get much wow out of that.


I just know, as someone who's basically a cross-country rider, that I would kill to have flow, cornering, and air skills like that. One thing you learn quickly is that photos and video seldom do justice to the pitch of things as experienced by the rider (skier), just as with skiing. On top of that, layer in the treacherously slick mud, roots, and rocks, and it's pretty jaw-dropping to this cyclist, anyway. Anyone who's ever tried ride a bicycle over terrain like that, in conditions like that, can tell you that it's often all one can do simply to stay upright for fifty feet, let alone fly down an entire course with rhythm, balance, panache and confidence. Very impressive and inspiring.

 

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I just know, as someone who's basically a cross-country rider, that I would kill to have flow, cornering, and air skills like that. One thing you learn quickly is that photos and video seldom do justice to the pitch of things as experienced by the rider (skier), just as with skiing. On top of that, layer in the treacherously slick mud, roots, and rocks, and it's pretty jaw-dropping to this cyclist, anyway. Anyone who's ever tried ride a bicycle over terrain like that, in conditions like that, can tell you that it's often all one can do simply to stay upright for fifty feet, let alone fly down an entire course with rhythm, balance, panache and confidence. Very impressive and inspiring.

 


quite honestly most XC trails can flow great. Its just most self described XC riders have not learned pretty basic skills to go faster on their XC trails.

 

 

 

 

post #18 of 21
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quite honestly most XC trails can flow great. Its just most self described XC riders have not learned pretty basic skills to go faster on their XC trails.

 

 

 

 



Not so sure about "most" XC trails flowing in an athletic sense.  I do agree many XC riders don't necessarily have a consciousness about bike handling the same way.  If they can incorporate a "play" amount of time with each ride, and work on developing things like a manual, bunny hop, drops to flat and tranny drop, and flat or off-camber cornering, and work on these things at least 3 times/week, their bike-handling options will increase a good bit, for sure.  A curb can be a drop to flat...there are lots of options out there that don't need access to great terrain.

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Not so sure about "most" XC trails flowing in an athletic sense.  I do agree many XC riders don't necessarily have a consciousness about bike handling the same way.  If they can incorporate a "play" amount of time with each ride, and work on developing things like a manual, bunny hop, drops to flat and tranny drop, and flat or off-camber cornering, and work on these things at least 3 times/week, their bike-handling options will increase a good bit, for sure.  A curb can be a drop to flat...there are lots of options out there that don't need access to great terrain.


It's off topic, so I don't want to do it in this thread, but anyone want to take a stab at giving pointers on some of that stuff?  My bike handling skills suck and I'd love to get better.

 

post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

quite honestly most XC trails can flow great. Its just most self described XC riders have not learned pretty basic skills to go faster on their XC trails.

 

 

 

Or maybe they they have way more than basic skills and can ride very fast and well, but just have a modicum of humility and a sense of perspective on what true pro riders can do, that leads them to err on the side of not claiming too much for their skills in a public forum where they are not widely known personally and don't personally know many others. Bush, why do you always have to respond to strangers' posts, that boil down to "I know what I'm doing and you don't"? It's abrasive. Give people the benefit of the doubt once in a while.
 

 

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Or maybe they they have way more than basic skills and can ride very fast and well, but just have a modicum of humility and a sense of perspective on what true pro riders can do, that leads them to err on the side of not claiming too much for their skills in a public forum where they are not widely known personally and don't personally know many others. Bush, why do you always have to respond to strangers' posts, that boil down to "I know what I'm doing and you don't"? It's abrasive. Give people the benefit of the doubt once in a while. 

 



if you can flow a trail it wont feel like your riding that fast. I did not say you did not have the basic skill I said most self described XC riders do not. I have ridden with "pro" XC riders and really they are just egomanics with a strong work ethic and sometimes truly incredible to the lay person MTB skills.

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