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Poll Results: Pre-Release is mostly due to:

Poll expired: Sep 26, 2011 This is a multiple choice poll
  • 87% of voters (7)
    The Pilot (Skier).
  • 12% of voters (1)
    The Plane (Equipment).
8 Total Votes  
post #31 of 36
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Originally Posted by slider View Post

Atomic heels,Salomon toes. Looks/Rossi never.



I've crashed alot over the last 13 years.  I've also owned many a S912, S914, PX12 and PX14 bindings.  In both cases where a crash resulted in a knee injury to me, it was on the Salomons.

post #32 of 36
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

to those guys who are not listening to Bjohansson I saw both prerelease. they were not his fault, even if they were his fault both times the ensuing slides were far more dangerous than a potentially tweaked knee.



That's a fair point Josh, and all serious injuries are bad (particularly death), but let me tell you about my "tweaked knee" resulting from just skiing on Looks (a tail landing in bad conditions with NO release). Ruptured my ACL: which cost $20K in medical bills, made me miss most of a ski season and NOT be able to ski with family and friends, made me miss all of a golf season, forced me through 6 months of extensive rehab, and was a wicked hassle traveling on business with crutches and wearing a brace going through TSA having to get my orthopedic stuff x-rayed while hopping/limping through metal detectors without my orthopedic stuff. Then there was the substantial post-surgery pain and 8 hours a day on a PCM machine at home while trying to work from home for 2 weeks following surgery. There was also extensive puking caused by very necessary pain pills. Naturally there was also a significant "head factor" to overcome getting back on skis 8 months later. Frankly all of it was a hellish experience for me! This is just my opinion, but I think you are really doing a disservice here by downplaying the extent of a knee injury with your reference to a "tweaked knee", especially when the majority of "tweaked knees" are ACL ruptures like I had.

 

post #33 of 36
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Originally Posted by Lemming View Post

How old were the bindings?  If both occurred as the ski unweighted, it could be that the forward pressure spring and mechanism is fatigued, gummed up, failed, etc.  If what you are describing is the ski falling off after you have left the snow, as the ski returned to its un-flexed state, it could be that the ski returned faster than the heel piece could keep up with.  When the ski is flexed, the heel piece travels rearward on the track against the spring.  When the ski is unweighted, the heel piece has to move forward on the track quickly enough to retain the boot.  Sounds like this is where yours failed.  Current binding test protocols have no way to test this, so whether it "passed" or not wouldn't tell you if it was actually working properly in this respect. 


I think you are correct.  Maybe.  The first 2 at Snowbird (with BWPA watching) occurred in the first season I owned the skis (bought new the previous sumer) and they had probably 7-10 days on them.  The pre-release at Magic(with Liv4Ski watching) happened a year later - total days less than 20.  Age really couldn't be a factor.  Again, I point to a flawed design or QC issues. 

 

CHRISfromRI: these are all heel failures and I don't think a faulty heel would have any effect on an ACL injury.
 

 

post #34 of 36
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bjohansson View Post

 

CHRISfromRI: these are all heel failures and I don't think a faulty heel would have any effect on an ACL injury.
 

 


You're right, not on the traditional bindings I was on at that time, neither pre-release nor release would have save my ACL. However, for the past 3 seasons and going into my 4th season I have been on Kneebindings (163 ski days so far) and I've never had a pre-release on them, PLUS they have the potential of improving my odds at avoiding another ACL rupture. There are some people (Josh included) that have stated on this subject in the past that they would much rather risk a "knee tweak" than risk a pre-release. I'm also sympathetic to this because in some extreme pre-release cases death or paralysis could be the outcome (I've also skied hairy terrain), and I am only setting the record straight that a "knee tweak" (the most common of which I believe is an ACL rupture) is a pretty life-changing affair and not something to be taken lightly.
 

 

post #35 of 36

Do you remember what position the heels were in when you found your skis?  Down, or up?

post #36 of 36
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Originally Posted by CHRISfromRI View Post





That's a fair point Josh, and all serious injuries are bad (particularly death), but let me tell you about my "tweaked knee" resulting from just skiing on Looks (a tail landing in bad conditions with NO release). Ruptured my ACL: which cost $20K in medical bills, made me miss most of a ski season and NOT be able to ski with family and friends, made me miss all of a golf season, forced me through 6 months of extensive rehab, and was a wicked hassle traveling on business with crutches and wearing a brace going through TSA having to get my orthopedic stuff x-rayed while hopping/limping through metal detectors without my orthopedic stuff. Then there was the substantial post-surgery pain and 8 hours a day on a PCM machine at home while trying to work from home for 2 weeks following surgery. There was also extensive puking caused by very necessary pain pills. Naturally there was also a significant "head factor" to overcome getting back on skis 8 months later. Frankly all of it was a hellish experience for me! This is just my opinion, but I think you are really doing a disservice here by downplaying the extent of a knee injury with your reference to a "tweaked knee", especially when the majority of "tweaked knees" are ACL ruptures like I had.

 




Although I am not going to hate on the Knee Binding as much as Rossi Smash. I am legit worried about prerelease on it....depsite alot of D1 racers not having issues. I am also worried about the plastic build quality.

 

20k in medical, no insurance or just bad insurance?

 

Me I did not have single prerelease last year, nor did I have any tweakage of my legs so I think I am doing it alright. I skied on marker  Royal series and P14/P18 only last year.

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