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Dozer, Bonafide and S3

post #1 of 19
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Been reading some stuff on here the last couple of days, and sounds like there are some fans of the new "Bones".


Am after a playful everyday driver for UT - liking the 90-100mm waist range. From what I can tell, the basic concept of the Scott Dozers, Rossi S3 and Blizz Bonafide are all pretty similar - 98 waist, tip and tail rocker with some camber underfoot.

 

Anyone tried all of them and can compare or declare favorite (with basic explanation of why)?

 

I've only skied the S3 out of these, but have heard very good things about both the Dozers and Bones. From my guess, I would say the Bones are probably the stiffest of the 3 and the S3 the softest, with Dozers somewhere in the middle. Feel free to correct me.

 

Bonafides have a pretty large taper, which makes me wonder a little in terms of how they compare carving turns on the groomers headed back to the lift or when skiing a few runs with the wife compared to the Dozers or S3s.

 

I'm pretty light - 6ft, 145. So I don't need rock solid/ stiff or burly skis. Bones are the only one of these 3 with metal as far as I can tell. I'm also not a park guy, but I like to bounce around on little kickers around in the side country and love heading into the trees. So I need something that is fairly light, playful and easy to make quick turns when needed. The Dozers have a tighter turn radius compared to the other two which makes me think it may be a little more versatile and better suite in the trees?? I think when considering all these things on paper - I'm leaning towards the Dozers, but am definitely not completely sold yet and would appreciate any thoughts from those who have ridden any or all.

 

For what it's worth, obviously the S3s and Rossis in general dominated ski tests last year. Fallen behind a bit this year. This year the Blizzard free mountain range has blown ski magazine tests apart - but Ski magazine always seems very bias towards main stream brands and I don't even know if they test the Dozers. In contrast, Powder mag includes more of the less main stream brands, and in their 2012 tests the Scotts did pretty well - with the Dozers included in the all-mountain category.

 

Any thoughts on what might be the best fit and why/ why not?

post #2 of 19

1st off, don't buy into the ski reviews... 

 

2nd the Bone is a very different ski than the S3. VERY different. THe Blizz' One is closer.  All that said, Go bone!  you won't look back. There are a bunch of us going Bone and DPS 112.  THE Bone is Uber versitile, Stable, quick, great float for being 98 and carves like a hungry Pilgrim on Thanksgiving...... icon14.gif

 

 

post #3 of 19

I would agree with most of what Finn says above.  The S3 & the Bonafides are very different skis, I have not skied the Dozers.  The Bonafides are very stable & solid, whereas the S3 is a bit more lively & playful with much more camber.  The Bonafides felt more sluggish & GSie on the groomers, the S3's get a little nervous and flappy.

 

Bonafides - Heavy, dense snow & chop.

S3 - Lighter snow & tight trees.

 

JF

post #4 of 19

I loved the bones in powder (although not a powder ski).... but I agree the S3's are more fun.   Just my experience though.

post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by SkiBean View Post

 

Am after a playful everyday driver for UT - liking the 90-100mm waist range. From what I can tell, the basic concept of the Scott Dozers, Rossi S3 and Blizz Bonafide are all pretty similar - 98 waist, tip and tail rocker with some camber underfoot.

 

...

 

I'm pretty light - 6ft, 145. So I don't need rock solid/ stiff or burly skis. Bones are the only one of these 3 with metal as far as I can tell. I'm also not a park guy, but I like to bounce around on little kickers around in the side country and love heading into the trees. So I need something that is fairly light, playful and easy to make quick turns when needed. The Dozers have a tighter turn radius compared to the other two which makes me think it may be a little more versatile and better suite in the trees?? I think when considering all these things on paper - I'm leaning towards the Dozers, but am definitely not completely sold yet and would appreciate any thoughts from those who have ridden any or all.

 

Bought Blizzard the ones last year for a UT daily driver. That is exactly how I would describe them.  They are a great ski for powder, trees and do great for touring in the BC. And have enough to carve it up on the groomed pretty nicely as well.

 

My choice was between the ones or the S3. The S3 is a bit more slarvy in deep stuff, the ones are a bit more conventional feeling and ski better on the front side of the mountain....  

post #6 of 19
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Thanks for the input so far - Finndog you're funny - I've seen some of your other posts about the Bonafides - you really love these skis! Awesome, hope your enthusiasm is maintained and you have a sic season on them.
Bonafides are not twins are they? Just a thought - not a deal breaker - it's not like I ski switch, hardly, but am not ruling out a slight temptation to start learning and playing with it a bit th_dunno-1[1].gif

I also generally like the softer, more playful flex in twins cause I'm lighter. 

 

With the metal etc are the Bonafides closer to a Mantra then?

 

Anyone been on the Dozers?

post #7 of 19


Skibean- I will actually vote for what tromano is saying, I have skied all 3 (Bone, S3 & One) I would say based on this last post, to really look at at the S3 and the One. I think you are really looking for something a bit more playful and less tactical.  Between the One and the S3 is more preference I think the One is bit more stiff and more versitile but you arent going to go wrong with either. 

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Bought Blizzard the ones last year for a UT daily driver. That is exactly how I would describe them.  They are a great ski for powder, trees and do great for touring in the BC. And have enough to carve it up on the groomed pretty nicely as well.

 

My choice was between the ones or the S3. The S3 is a bit more slarvy in deep stuff, the ones are a bit more conventional feeling and ski better on the front side of the mountain....  



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Thanks for the input so far - Finndog you're funny - I've seen some of your other posts about the Bonafides - you really love these skis! Awesome, hope your enthusiasm is maintained and you have a sic season on them.
Bonafides are not twins are they? Just a thought - not a deal breaker - it's not like I ski switch, hardly, but am not ruling out a slight temptation to start learning and playing with it a bit th_dunno-1[1].gif

I also generally like the softer, more playful flex in twins cause I'm lighter. 

 

With the metal etc are the Bonafides closer to a Mantra then?

 

Anyone been on the Dozers?



 

post #8 of 19

6'0", 145 and want a daily driver for Utah that's super-playful?  This is wider than you've mentioned, but if you're considering a ski like the S3, then you should take a look at an 185 Armada JJ or a 180 4FRNT CRJ. 

 

5 point skis (camber center/rocker tip&tail), very quick, slalom like TR on groomers, not stiff, more float than S3s.  I've had a CRJ for a daily driver last few years at Squaw and have had a blast.  Oh, and if you have a coupon, you can get a CRJ at Sierra Trading Post for about $363 (30% off coupon if you're on the mailing list).  That's brand NIP...

 

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post #9 of 19

I will be selling some 177 S3's with about 20 days on them -- bases and edges in great shape, PM me if interested. 

post #10 of 19
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I will be selling some 177 S3's with about 20 days on them -- bases and edges in great shape, PM me if interested. 



With bindings? Why you selling?

post #11 of 19

It's fate.  Jump on those.  I managed to demo the S3 a month ago (2012 model in 186) and they were just way too much fun.

 

And you're correct, the Bone is not a twin, although that alone shouldn't really rule it out of contention if you're not a regular in the park.

post #12 of 19
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With bindings? Why you selling?



probably not with bindings, not sure yet. 

 

Selling because they are my son's and he has outgrown them -- I plan on buying something very similar, just longer.

post #13 of 19
If you look around new S3s are available for about $445. Check cleasnipe.
post #14 of 19
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If you look around new S3s are available for about $445. Check cleasnipe.


They are if you want a 159 ....

post #15 of 19



yeah but they are $445!  rolleyes.gif   my bet is your's are the lenght that he wants and can use AND are still less than $445 with shipping.....

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They are if you want a 159 ....



 

post #16 of 19

Old saying...

 

A woman walks into a butcher shop and asks 'How much are your pork chops?" Butcher replies " $4.45 a pound". Lady says "The last place had them for less" Butcher asks 'Why didn't you buy them there?" Lady says 'Well, they were out of them..."

 

 

post #17 of 19

Whatev; working for a living and didn't check sizes. I respect the pros/retailers on this site and buy stuff from them (right PhilPug?), but here's some actual help for the OP.  A used pair of 186 S3s, drilled once, $375 on TGR: 

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/225826-2011-Rossignol-S3s-%28186cm%29-with-or-w-o-Salomon-Bindings

 

Or, this place has demo S3 186s, mounted with telemark bindings, for $499 (sell the bindings if you're going alpine):  

http://gearx.com/rossignol-s3-freeride-with-black-diamond-o1-telemark-bindings.html?avad=11193_d1f59815

 

Either way, 186s for about 145#s sounds right to me...

 

post #18 of 19


Here's more help, SEGBROWN IS OFFERING A PAIR OF 178's with 20 days on them drilled once......  Geeze......

 

btw- I work too.... and Phil wasn't trying to jump on this train.
 

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Whatev; working for a living and didn't check sizes. I respect the pros/retailers on this site and buy stuff from them (right PhilPug?), but here's some actual help for the OP.  A used pair of 186 S3s, drilled once, $375 on TGR: 

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/225826-2011-Rossignol-S3s-%28186cm%29-with-or-w-o-Salomon-Bindings

 

 

 



 

post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone for the sources. Will let you know.

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