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post #1 of 20
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I hesitate to say powder because....well, it's the east coast.

 

My daily driver this year will be Dynastar Sultan 85's at 178cm.  I ski mostly at Magic Mountain in southern Vermont with a few days at Killington, hopefully this year a few days at Mad River, and hopefully a few days at Stowe.  I'm 51, 6'0", and around 180 lbs.  Very fit (run 20+ miles per week, lift regularly, do a fairly intense core workout, etc).  I used to race in college and still ski pretty aggressively but nowhere near what I did in my 20's.  On a trip to JH last year we skied Tower 3, Toilet Bowl, Hoop's Gap, Beartooth, etc.  I bailed on Alta Chutes because of the exposure and also Corbet's even though it was pretty easy with all the snow last year.  If you're familiar with Magic, I'll ski Red Line with one stop if the snow cover is good.  I don't mind the 3-5 foot drops there...

 

I'm looking for a specific tool.  A ski that is quick turning and wide enough to handle a foot or so of new snow...this could be light, medium, or wet cement.  We do a lot of skiing in the woods at Magic and Killington, and I'm looking forward to re-acquaitning myself with MRG and Stowe.  I have a pair of Dynamic VR17 slalom carvers in 173cm for skiing in the trees when the snow is old and/or hard.  They work great for that.  I'm looking fo a tool that works in the EC woods (tight) when the snow is new and more than 6" deep.  It would be great if they work as a 1-ski western "quiver" (I hate that word) for a trip to Tahoe or SLC where I also spend a considerable amount of time in the trees.  If it snows a lot, I'll rent faties for that trip.

 

I've spied a pair of 2010 Atomic Snoops (176cm) on eBay and they seem to be a good fit.  I'm a deal whore and I hate paying anything resembling retail for anything and these are a pretty sweet deal although they're obviously from a rental fleet.  But for the right tool, I'd be willing to spend some bucks.  Some other skis that I've read about are the Rossi Experience 98, Blizzard The One, Dynastar 6th Sense Slicer.  The critical thing is the ability to turn quickly in the tight trees that we deal with here.

 

Any thoughts on what people think about these (or other skis that fit this mold) are greatly appreciated.

post #2 of 20

Well, there are tons of great options here, depending on your preferences and style.  If you are really most comfortable on a ski with sidecut, an obvious choice is the Nordica Enforcer or the new Blizzard Bonafide, followed by the Line Prophet 98 or Influence (either one).  As a former racer, east coast skier and dedicated bark-eater, I use 108 and 116 waisted skis as my daily drivers at the Middlebury Snow Bowl, and have yet to be disappointed with their grip.  I have some Ninthward THA 187s that are a go-to ski for me (and, no, I don't wear tall tees, backward caps or baggy pants, nor do I ever ski in the park...its beyond me) and Some Praxis RX that are new to me, but from the day I was on them last season, should be a new go-to to ride.

 

Great choices also in this area are the Kastle MX 98, PM Gear BRO, Praxis Freeride or Backcountry.  The Backcountry is surprisingly adept as an all-mountain ski, and is very light and quick, as well as very damp and grippy.

post #3 of 20
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Originally Posted by bjohansson View Post

I hesitate to say powder because....well, it's the east coast.

 

I'm looking for a specific tool.  A ski that is quick turning and wide enough to handle a foot or so of new snow...this could be light, medium, or wet cement. 

 

  I'm looking fo a tool that works in the EC woods (tight) when the snow is new and more than 6" deep.  It would be great if they work as a 1-ski western "quiver" (I hate that word) for a trip to Tahoe or SLC where I also spend a considerable amount of time in the trees.  If it snows a lot, I'll rent faties for that trip.

 

 

Any thoughts on what people think about these (or other skis that fit this mold) are greatly appreciated.


You're looking for a powder ski. Something with plenty of rocker so it pivots quickly, something with a bit of positive sidecut so you can ski it from stash too stash... but you ARE looking for a powder ski.

 

Rossi S7, DPS RP112, Armada JJ, Blizzard Cochise, etc.

 

The trick to EC trees with some fresh snow is- STAY ON TOP OF THE NEW SOFT SNOW, if you are sinking in you might as well just ski a bump ski.

 

post #4 of 20
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Originally Posted by bjohansson View Post

I hesitate to say powder because....well, it's the east coast.

 

My daily driver this year will be Dynastar Sultan 85's at 178cm.  I ski mostly at Magic Mountain in southern Vermont with a few days at Killington, hopefully this year a few days at Mad River, and hopefully a few days at Stowe.  I'm 51, 6'0", and around 180 lbs.  Very fit (run 20+ miles per week, lift regularly, do a fairly intense core workout, etc).  I used to race in college and still ski pretty aggressively but nowhere near what I did in my 20's.  On a trip to JH last year we skied Tower 3, Toilet Bowl, Hoop's Gap, Beartooth, etc.  I bailed on Alta Chutes because of the exposure and also Corbet's even though it was pretty easy with all the snow last year.  If you're familiar with Magic, I'll ski Red Line with one stop if the snow cover is good.  I don't mind the 3-5 foot drops there...

 

I'm looking for a specific tool.  A ski that is quick turning and wide enough to handle a foot or so of new snow...this could be light, medium, or wet cement.  We do a lot of skiing in the woods at Magic and Killington, and I'm looking forward to re-acquaitning myself with MRG and Stowe.  I have a pair of Dynamic VR17 slalom carvers in 173cm for skiing in the trees when the snow is old and/or hard.  They work great for that.  I'm looking fo a tool that works in the EC woods (tight) when the snow is new and more than 6" deep.  It would be great if they work as a 1-ski western "quiver" (I hate that word) for a trip to Tahoe or SLC where I also spend a considerable amount of time in the trees.  If it snows a lot, I'll rent faties for that trip.

 

I've spied a pair of 2010 Atomic Snoops (176cm) on eBay and they seem to be a good fit.  I'm a deal whore and I hate paying anything resembling retail for anything and these are a pretty sweet deal although they're obviously from a rental fleet.  But for the right tool, I'd be willing to spend some bucks.  Some other skis that I've read about are the Rossi Experience 98, Blizzard The One, Dynastar 6th Sense Slicer.  The critical thing is the ability to turn quickly in the tight trees that we deal with here.

 

Any thoughts on what people think about these (or other skis that fit this mold) are greatly appreciated.



Dood!  I'm at Magic every weekend...  What's your BSL?  I'll have a whole slew of fatties for you to try if you'd like...  But I'd venture to say that the 183 or 187 fat bro would be perfect, I ski them at Magic almost every day and they treat me very well.  I have them mounted up with small barons so let me know if you'd like to take them for a shred.  I find them perfect for Magic as they let you open it up on trail but also bang tiny radius turns when it gets steep, rocky and tight in the trees.  Also bombproof bases were core shot free after all of last year as well, and believe me that's saying something.   

 



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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post




You're looking for a powder ski. Something with plenty of rocker so it pivots quickly, something with a bit of positive sidecut so you can ski it from stash too stash... but you ARE looking for a powder ski.

 

Rossi S7, DPS RP112, Armada JJ, Blizzard Cochise, etc.

 

The trick to EC trees with some fresh snow is- STAY ON TOP OF THE NEW SOFT SNOW, if you are sinking in you might as well just ski a bump ski.

 



I agree with all of that.  Def want something that will help you stay on top and able to pop the shorter turns when it gets tight around the hill.  Another good choice might be the 188 Whitedot Director- same layout at a 5pointish rocketed and sort of fat ski @ 107. 

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The skis you mention don't do much to extend your range of performance, too narrow.

 

Add any model of the full rocker or hybrid rocker (camber under foot) to Whiteroom's list, like Praxis Protest, Praxis Powder, Bentchettler and that's where I would look for something that adds to your capability. Min 115 under foot, full-blown banana.

 

Hey, what are people going to call the full rockered skis like S7, Bentchettler, Praxis Powder or Protest, etc. ?  As distinct from a Shogun or LP115 etc. with very slight run and rise. I lean toward banana...no disrespect intended.

post #6 of 20

Not to steal b-jo's thread, but I'm in the market for the same thing.

 

My background is similiar to his, but I'm 10yrs younger and 40lbs heavier. 

 

Anyone have any thoughts on Praxis Backcountry or the Icelantic Shaman for East Coast BC and tree skiing.  I know the Shaman is getting a little long in the tooth, but reviewers seem to like it.  I would put either Barons or Fritschis on them. 

 

The only additional requirement (beside that it be good for its intended use) is that I'd like to buy from a smaller indy mfg: Praxis, Icelantic, DPS, et al.

 

Sorry for the hijack,

Smarty

post #7 of 20

I have to agree with Whiteroom. All EC tree skiers need are tip rocker for quick pivot, and ample platform and stiffness for your weight and the snow conditions. 

I ski at Jay and the Slicer in a 181cm (am 10lbs lighter) and that was my all mountain ski. It is not overly lively or playful, but is predictable and quite functional in the trees. I would say that a 187cm is much more suitable if you take it out west, or in open spaces.

 

I liked the new bonafide as an EC tree ski, while the czar for more pow spefic. Blizzard Felt so solid under foot, and good float for the size, while the czar is such a maneuverable ski with its long tip rocker. That said with a Sultan 85, why not eliminate overlap and get something 105mm-115 for EC epic days (5/season) and your western trips. Also the Experience us far too much overlap, in my opinion, as its got the same feel as the Sultan frontside all-mountain, just better suited to a few more inches. Get a stable, yet playful powder specific ski, and take full advantage of the great days 

post #8 of 20

Blizzi the one would be my first choice for this ski if I lived in the east.

post #9 of 20

The One is a great choice. My got to ski for this has been the Katana and the S7. Last year I skied the FX104 a little bit, and that one is a winner too (non-rockered, OMG!). I've added the FX94 , ditched the S7, and am planning on adding the Patron.

post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by Do Work View Post


Dood!  I'm at Magic every weekend...  What's your BSL?  I'll have a whole slew of fatties for you to try if you'd like...  But I'd venture to say that the 183 or 187 fat bro would be perfect, I ski them at Magic almost every day and they treat me very well.  I have them mounted up with small barons so let me know if you'd like to take them for a shred.  I find them perfect for Magic as they let you open it up on trail but also bang tiny radius turns when it gets steep, rocky and tight in the trees.  Also bombproof bases were core shot free after all of last year as well, and believe me that's saying something.   

 

I met you once last year and skied behind you and your crew a few times.  I skied with Dave (Liv4Ski) and Buzz (PaulJones) most of the time but was there solo when they had other plans. I was hurt last summer, so my fitness level was not up to par and I didn't push too hard, but this year things are working out for a great ski season.  BSL is either 314 or 320 depending on which boot I'm wearing.  Dave swears by the S7 but won't ski them at Magic because of the likelihood of base damage.  Thanks for the offer but if I can find a deal, I'll probably just go for it and learn to love whatever I get.  I'll definitely look at the Bros.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post


You're looking for a powder ski. Something with plenty of rocker so it pivots quickly, something with a bit of positive sidecut so you can ski it from stash too stash... but you ARE looking for a powder ski.

 

Rossi S7, DPS RP112, Armada JJ, Blizzard Cochise, etc.

 

The trick to EC trees with some fresh snow is- STAY ON TOP OF THE NEW SOFT SNOW, if you are sinking in you might as well just ski a bump ski.

Thanks.  I think in the back of my pea-sized brain I knew this but kept trying to talk myself out of getting a powder ski...after all, I ski southern Vermont most of the time.  I keep thinking of powder skis as the big mountain bombers that the pros ski in AK, but I also know the tech has changed and modern powder skis can actually turn...but I'm still in denial.  So, do you know anybody that has a pair of last year's skis at a good price? wink.gif

 

 

post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by Smartyiak View Post

Not to steal b-jo's thread, but I'm in the market for the same thing.

 

My background is similiar to his, but I'm 10yrs younger and 40lbs heavier. 

 

 

The only additional requirement (beside that it be good for its intended use) is that I'd like to buy from a smaller indy mfg: Praxis, Icelantic, DPS, et al.

 

Sorry for the hijack,

Smarty

The Icelantic Keeper or DPS RP112 are the skis I would look at... and why would you look to put fritschis on them?
 

 

post #13 of 20

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

... and why would you look to put fritschis on them?

 

A couple of friends sing their praises. Do you suggest sticking with Barons?

(I purposely did not consider the Tour series after some folks (here and TGR) questioned their reliability. Also, I'm not really interested in Dynafits as I don't plan on any long multi-day tours and my boots aren't compatible.)

 

I think, like BJohansson, I have a mental block getting past a width of 110 as an East Coast tree ski.  

 

For someone strong, like BJohannson or myself, would you recommend the longer length (i.e. Keeper 189)...or, because of the tight trees, the shorter (178).  Or is something in the middle like the DPS@184 or JJ@185 a better length?

 

-Smarty

post #14 of 20

first get rocker its a game changer, and I would be looking at least 100ish underfoot and soft and rockered. what ever you get its probably going to suck out west of you like to charge.

 

skis mentioned in this thread  I have skied

 

5'11 170lb

 

189cm, Icelandtic Keeper - to heavy, to catchy, to stiff and not enough rocker. Its a ski that made skiing work. Great western ski IMO though.

 

190cm DPS RP112 - great ski one of the few that could work both east and west pretty easily. The 190 length was great for tree skiing. its like a better S7

 

188cm Rossi s7 - cheaper RP112, great in weird snow and powder, not so good on hardpack.

 

183cm Volkl Katana - maybe the best there is in East Coast tree, but not playful, and not poppy. Did not fit me and was frustrating for when I wanted to pop off of lips. I sold them after 2 years.

 

185cm Blizzard Cochise - stiff demanding not fun in tight trees, a blast in wide open tree out west in fact anything out west.

 

177cm Blizzard "the one" does better than the above in skied out trees, does not do as good in powder but stilll pretty good, for sure not good in deep heavy wet snow in east coast trees.

 

180cm Blizzard Bonafide - alot like the ones but not twinned, and alot more serious. Better on hardpack and in crud while be slightly harder to ski in powder, tight places and bumps. Not ideal but a great everyday ski for people who like to ski woods and maybe have something wider for true powder days.

 

 

skis not mentioned

 

186cm Rossi Sickle aka the S6 - like a jibby poppy katana. I maybe on this under appreciated ski next year. Its does work out west for me as well.

 

183cm Bentchentler - fun ski, its just the S6 is better in bumps while not being much worse than bent in powder. There can be a lot of bumps getting to the powder on the east coast.

 

 

 

 

post #15 of 20
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I met you once last year and skied behind you and your crew a few times.  I skied with Dave (Liv4Ski) and Buzz (PaulJones) most of the time but was there solo when they had other plans. I was hurt last summer, so my fitness level was not up to par and I didn't push too hard, but this year things are working out for a great ski season.  BSL is either 314 or 320 depending on which boot I'm wearing.  Dave swears by the S7 but won't ski them at Magic because of the likelihood of base damage.  Thanks for the offer but if I can find a deal, I'll probably just go for it and learn to love whatever I get.  I'll definitely look at the Bros.

 

 



Cool man, I thought I recognized the name.  Looking forward to ripping with ya on some fatties!   

 

post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 

Any thoughts on the Dynastar 6th Sense Huge?  Evo has what looks like a pretty sweet deal on 2011 iin 185cm.

 

I really like what everyone is saying about the DPS 112RPs.

 

Some are saying The One or Bonafide (98mm) are what I need.  Some are saying go to 115 underfoot and look for rocker-camber-rocker construction.  The tapered tip/tail (DPS, Rossi S7, etc) designs look very interesting.

 

As Vinnie Barbarino used to say, "I'm sooo confuuuused"  BWPA and DoWork will have no idea...too young.

post #17 of 20

I've decided on the DPS 112RP hybrid for the same needs as yours.  Just trying to decide on length...and figuring out where I'm getting the money for them.  Leaning toward 178cm (I'm 5'10" and 155 lbs).  For those who've been on these skis, any thoughts on length for the East Coast?

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I've decided on the DPS 112RP hybrid for the same needs as yours.  Just trying to decide on length...and figuring out where I'm getting the money for them.  Leaning toward 178cm (I'm 5'10" and 155 lbs).  For those who've been on these skis, any thoughts on length for the East Coast?



get the 184 or the 190....

 

The 190 was quicker in trees than either the 184 or the 178 due to more platform to push against, and that they ride up higher in the snow. the only place the shorter lengths were better were chutes that are so tight that you can not really ski the fall line anyways, and on packed snow in the woods....

post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by moguljunkie View Post

I've decided on the DPS 112RP hybrid for the same needs as yours.  Just trying to decide on length...and figuring out where I'm getting the money for them.  Leaning toward 178cm (I'm 5'10" and 155 lbs).  For those who've been on these skis, any thoughts on length for the East Coast?


+1 on what Bushwacker said.  These ski surprisingly short in many respects.  The rocker in the tips is VERY long, so much so that I was surprised by the shape when I saw them. Made me reconsider their place in the quiver for the East Coast.  Friend of mine has 190s, likes them for certain purposes, not so much for others.

 

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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

get the 184 or the 190....

 

The 190 was quicker in trees than either the 184 or the 178 due to more platform to push against, and that they ride up higher in the snow. the only place the shorter lengths were better were chutes that are so tight that you can not really ski the fall line anyways, and on packed snow in the woods....

 


Thanks, Bushwacker, for the insights.  I respect your opinion about EC skis, and I'm now thinking 184s are the way to go.  Although I did email Mike Cannon from DPS, who skis at Stowe, and he recommended the 178.  He likes them better in both the trees and on groomers.  Still, I think there's more versatility at the longer length.

 

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