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Dynastar LP 115 vs Big Dump?

Poll Results: Should I get the LP 115's or Big Dump's?

Poll expired: Sep 1, 2011  
  • 50% (1)
    LP 115
  • 50% (1)
    Big Dump
2 Total Votes  
post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Hey all,

Since there is a great deal right now on these skis I am looking at picking one of these up within the next 2 weeks but not sure which one I should go with. I am about 250 pounds and 6"0 tall. I usually ski aggressive and fast but this year with me moving out west I will try to do alot of off-piste skiing. Resorts that I will be going to include Panorama, Kicking Horse, Banff and maybe Fernie all located in the Canadian Rockies.

Just looking for which skis would be better suited for me and can handle a little bit of groomed trails, some bumps and off piste. 184 LP 115 or the 192 Big Dump's. This will be my only ski for this year. I am tempted to go with the Big dumps because they are 192 but they are also 120mm at the waist.

I have read countless reviews and now sure which one would be better suited for me as this would be my first fat ski and 2nd time skiing on the west coast.

Any help is appreciated and if a ski is soft or flexs alot or is very stiff, I am not sure what the difference is.

Also I know there are tons of other skis but these skis are fairly cheap and are located in Canada and they appear to be good skis.

Last and not least, can anybody recommend a decent binding for these skis? I was looking at the Look PX12, is this sufficient?

Thanks
post #2 of 14

I'd go with the BD's,   with the caveat that I'd also get something narrow for when it's hard.

 

At 250, I don't think I'd be charging on any 12 din binding.

post #3 of 14

I don't ski either of those. Ski a fairly "new" pair of Legend Pro's (97mm) and the Sixth Huge. A friend has the LP 115 and I flexed them. They were fairly soft in the fore area, really stiff in the tails. Every pair can have slightly different flex, so I don't know if this is how they all feel, but probably within a certain range they are the same. When they made the XXL a few years back, it was softer than the LP Rider, and this is even more so; made to ski powder and cut and set up powder. I believe the Big Dump is going to be stiffer throughout.  115 or 120 is not a big difference in performance. The LP115 is quite popular at Squaw. I never see the Big Dumps. FWIW

post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post

I'd go with the BD's,   with the caveat that I'd also get something narrow for when it's hard.

 

At 250, I don't think I'd be charging on any 12 din binding.


My old skis had the DIN setting at 9 and they were fine and never released on me unless I fell. If 12 din truly isn't good, I guess the next step up is Look 14 ?

So you would have 2 skis if I understand you correctly? BD's and then a narrow ski for groomed days? I don't want 2 skis yet until I see what it is like. I had some 73" waist skis but I sold them as I assumed they would be no good in the West. Umm.
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

I don't ski either of those. Ski a fairly "new" pair of Legend Pro's (97mm) and the Sixth Huge. A friend has the LP 115 and I flexed them. They were fairly soft in the fore area, really stiff in the tails. Every pair can have slightly different flex, so I don't know if this is how they all feel, but probably within a certain range they are the same. When they made the XXL a few years back, it was softer than the LP Rider, and this is even more so; made to ski powder and cut and set up powder. I believe the Big Dump is going to be stiffer throughout.  115 or 120 is not a big difference in performance. The LP115 is quite popular at Squaw. I never see the Big Dumps. FWIW


I am pretty sure I am going to go with the LP115 but I just wanted to ask as I never saw a direct comparison between the LP and BD. How does the different flex affect skiing? I never got into the technical of skiing as I was skiing hills that could be completed in 30 seconds or less from top to bottom.



Also does the 192 vs 184 make a huge difference for somebody my weight?
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by cereal83 View Post



My old skis had the DIN setting at 9 and they were fine and never released on me unless I fell. If 12 din truly isn't good, I guess the next step up is Look 14 ?

So you would have 2 skis if I understand you correctly? BD's and then a narrow ski for groomed days? I don't want 2 skis yet until I see what it is like. I had some 73" waist skis but I sold them as I assumed they would be no good in the West. Umm.



I am pretty sure I am going to go with the LP115 but I just wanted to ask as I never saw a direct comparison between the LP and BD. How does the different flex affect skiing? I never got into the technical of skiing as I was skiing hills that could be completed in 30 seconds or less from top to bottom.



Also does the 192 vs 184 make a huge difference for somebody my weight?

 

 

How many big powder days,  on big skis,  did you ski with your bindings on 9?  How did you like looking for them?

 

 

IHMO:  Either of those skis would probably be too big for an only ski,  unless your really good and really young.   I ski big skis a lot, but they hurt my knee's when it gets hard!  Hell, they hurt my whole body, because you have to go fast to make them turn. Trust me, it almost always gets hard at some point during the season. 

 

If your going with one ski, something in the 100mm range would probably be more appropriate. 

 

Longer is better, unless your in the tight trees.
 

 

post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post



 

 

How many big powder days,  on big skis,  did you ski with your bindings on 9?  How did you like looking for them?

 

 

IHMO:  Either of those skis would probably be too big for an only ski,  unless your really good and really young.   I ski big skis a lot, but they hurt my knee's when it gets hard!  Hell, they hurt my whole body, because you have to go fast to make them turn. Trust me, it almost always gets hard at some point during the season. 

 

If your going with one ski, something in the 100mm range would probably be more appropriate. 

 

Longer is better, unless your in the tight trees.
 

 


I have never done a big powder day in my life so yeah if a 12 din is too light I guess I will go to 14 if that is even enough, if not maybe a 16 will be good enough?

I am 28 so I am not really young at all and I was looking at 100-105mm but then I saw this deal for $399. Any other ski I can find is going to be $699 plus binding and I don't mind spending more but it seems like I keep choosing a ski, asking here and it gets shot down so I find a new ski and ask again. I don't mind the ski getting shot down as I would rather have the best 1 ski option available for a decent price.

Umm I guess back to the drawing board I should go.
post #7 of 14

Get the longer 115's, I'm skiing the 184s at 165 lbs and they don't feel long, also these skis are not the traditional dynastars, soft and rockered in the front and fairly soft overall flex.  

 

 

post #8 of 14

The flex affects the performance quite a bit. In powder the stiffer ski will not float as well or come up out of the snow as quickly. On firm, the stiffer flex ski will take more energy/input to turn, as the stiffness makes the edge hold firmer on the snow. For one ski for the season, around 100mm, as said, will be more versatile, though the LP 115 could work. Dynastar (Look) makes a Race 14 binding that is bomber. 192 or 184cm length depends on your strength and skill. 192cm is a major stick.  
 

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Originally Posted by cereal83 View Post



My old skis had the DIN setting at 9 and they were fine and never released on me unless I fell. If 12 din truly isn't good, I guess the next step up is Look 14 ?

So you would have 2 skis if I understand you correctly? BD's and then a narrow ski for groomed days? I don't want 2 skis yet until I see what it is like. I had some 73" waist skis but I sold them as I assumed they would be no good in the West. Umm.



I am pretty sure I am going to go with the LP115 but I just wanted to ask as I never saw a direct comparison between the LP and BD. How does the different flex affect skiing? I never got into the technical of skiing as I was skiing hills that could be completed in 30 seconds or less from top to bottom.



Also does the 192 vs 184 make a huge difference for somebody my weight?


 

post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 
I think I am looking at other options from 100mm - 105mm. I guess the Salomon Shogun and Volkl Gotama are the best runners up. Also I see Praxis skis are on sale so I am also looking at one of them, all of them would be 190cm+

Thanks for explaining how flex works and what it does. I also assumed because I was heavy, a stiff ski would be ok as all I need to do is shift my weight and the ski will flex fairly easily.
post #10 of 14

I understand the appeal of a single ski quiver, but I still think you would be better off in the long run with  a two pair quiver.  Purchase skis a season or two old for <50% and get some decent metal 14 or 15 din binders that will outlast a couple of pair of skis.

 

It sounds like the 115LP would be a better ski for you than the BD, I was just trying to get the most breadth from a quiver stand point.

 

Good luck, I hope you have a great ski season and never need those dam skinny skis!

post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post

I understand the appeal of a single ski quiver, but I still think you would be better off in the long run with  a two pair quiver.  Purchase skis a season or two old for <50% and get some decent metal 14 or 15 din binders that will outlast a couple of pair of skis.

 

It sounds like the 115LP would be a better ski for you than the BD, I was just trying to get the most breadth from a quiver stand point.

 

Good luck, I hope you have a great ski season and never need those dam skinny skis!


For a 2 ski quiver what could be some options? I do plan to buy a pow ski but that would be next year after I have some experience and see exactly what I need. I would say a 100mm and then a 120mm ski for pow but thats what I know now. Who knows as maybe where I ski, pow will be limited.

I do appreciate the comments and I am just learning so I don't mind at all.
post #12 of 14

Been out west 2 times. Want something to handle groomers, bumps and off piste. One ski quiver. Weigh 250#. How about neither?

 

Stiffer skis are hard to ski in powderand soft snow -- especially at slow-moderate speeds for a person learning. Softer skis are good for bumps and learning to go off piste but are not the best for bigger guys going fast in rough snow.

 

Get an easy going expert or advanced level ski 90-100mm under foot that can carve a turn nicely on a groomer and work in the bumps. Go between 180 and 190cm. Learn to ski it all over the mountain in any condition.

 

As your skills in soft snow improve, if you want to ski off piste exclusively (at faster speeds) , and you want a real freeride ski that can handle a 250# pilot, then the 190cm+ skis like BigDump is what you should look at.

 

Also losing 50# would make choosing skis lot easier and probably make skiing lot easier too. Something to think about...

post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post

 

Also losing 50# would make choosing skis lot easier and probably make skiing lot easier too. Something to think about...


Unless it's 250 lbs of pure, flexible muscle.

 

post #14 of 14

The only time I saw a Big Dump at Squaw was on the feet of Aurelien Ducroz during Nissan Tram Face competition.  I never skied on it, but it seems like this is a competition-only ski.  LP115- now you are talking...  I loved LP115 in powder and chop.  I am sure it would suck on an icy groomer.  You may be better served by a 190+ LP105, but I understand that those are full price.   

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