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Originally Posted by Shaggy2010 View Post

"Troll" seems to be thrown around here fairly easily...i think its mandatory to be called a troll within your first 20 posts...same happened to me...get over it...its the internet...but i think youd do a lil better laying off the great is me vibe...ask for a good ski for off piste and be done with it...let your TRs this winter prove your worthy... if in fact u r.


 

Nothing to get over, I don't care that they're calling me a troll, I just don't get why. And I'm not trying to brag or sound better than I am but if I just say I want an off-piste ski I'll get different suggestions than if I ask for what I actually want. Is there a problem with saying the truth and giving details? I want accurate advice.

post #32 of 217
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Originally Posted by jaobrien6 View Post


Because unless you have an unbelievable amount of innate talent, people generally don't get to be as good as you're claiming to be skiing in minnesota with the occasional vacation out west.  It just doesn't normally happen.  


What the hell do you know about Minnesota skiers

post #33 of 217
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Originally Posted by bumpfreaq View Post

Oh man, didn't they read the disclaimer!?!?

Who said they could read wink.gif.

 

 

Veganskier, I never called you a troll, & I think I have given good advice. 

I think the term "semi-extreme" maybe set things off a bit.

 

Too often younger skiers come on here & are presumed to be trolls.  Don't let it bother you.  You are right, you could get very good, very fast, if you follow the correct path & are out on the hill daily.  You may as well have the right equipment for what you aspire to.

 

Enjoy your season in UT

JF

 

 

post #34 of 217

the skiing here in MN sucks. and veganskier, I doubt you are skiing faster than me here in MN and I'm no expert.jk.gif

 

Although can get down almost everything out west... Over the past few years of going out west, skiing in Minnesota prepares you for nothing but skiing the groomers like an expert. Get off the trail, onto powder, bumps, steep runs at snowbird, JH etc and you look like a noob. Just saying. You'll either end up with something broken if you expect to take it to the max in 1 week, or just gonna suck.

 

jong

 

 

post #35 of 217

Dynastar Huge Trouble rocker (or 6th sense or whatever they call it now) is another ski to demo. I have the older version which I have is a very solid ripping ski, but its not too stiff or overly damp for actually making turns in technical terrain. It also stomps quite effectively and is a really nice ski. Get the new version (2011 or newer version) which now has rocker. This should help the powder performance a lot.

 

 

post #36 of 217

just a reality check to keep things in perspective: a mountain like Snowbird....no one is the fastest, and the strong local skiers ski every day, so the standard is pretty high. 

 

one of the reasons skiers don't just show up and become the best on the mountain is that some of the runs that the OP is referring to take guts (beyond skills), and that just comes with a lot of time looking down some very scary stuff.

 

funny, I never thought about the folks he's dissing along the way...bring it boys, you heard what he said

 

Tromano, that's a really cool clip. so rare to see POV in real conditions. anyone saying bump skiing is distinct from just off piste skiing... this is the way it is, more than not (with more coverage)

and the Sixth Sense Huge has one of the best, fastest, top sheets in LCC, biggrin.gifwink.gif

post #37 of 217

This reminds me... I'm planning to slay the shit out of Eagle's Nest this winter - can anyone recommend a ski for me to use for that?

 

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post #38 of 217

The reason you're getting a bunch of attitude for this post is... well... you're being naive as hell.  Asking what ski to use for the type of terrain you're talking about is an amazing contradiction.  Go to this thread:

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/80748/most-extreme-runs

 

And scroll down to the post by Tyrone Shoelaces... and check out his photos of Heart Chute, Patrolman's and Schmidiots.  Also, there's no such thing as "semi extreme."

post #39 of 217

This is awesome. 

post #40 of 217

I miss Tyrone Shoelaces. He had some very fine photos on this forum.

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I miss Tyrone Shoelaces. He had some very fine photos on this forum.


Amen to that.

 

post #42 of 217

He said recently on TGR he's backed off on the internet forums because he was getting tired of too many random people he didn't know coming up and calling him Tyrone and talking about how he skied this or that line.  I could see that being kind of annoying, so I can't say I blame him.
 

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Amen to that.

 



 

post #43 of 217

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Not cool dissing Minnesota skiers!!!

 

 

FWIW, I skied with a two year USSA National Freestyle Champion that grew up in Minnesota and lived there exclusively.  He was invited to ski Chaminoix with the Warren Miller crew in the early 80s and held his own with them there.  However, he is a glaring exception to the rule.  I also grew up in Minnesota competing in USSA and teaching L1 PSIA in high school.  I went out West after high school and held my own on everything in bounds and deep.  But the mashed taters and not so great conditions ate my lunch when I tried to keep up with real locals the first couple of trips there.

 

Oh, there was this other noob from around here that moved to Snowbird from InPA a couple years ago and did just fine toowink.gif

 

 

OP will probably be fine, hours on the snow will make all the difference there..

post #44 of 217
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

If you are serious, then the Double Helix, while an excellent ski, is a bad choice for you. You want something narrower and stiffer. Something like the Dynastar Legend 105, basically something between 105mm and 115mm underfoot with a stiffer flex from mid-ski through the tail. Look for low tip rocker (or no rocker) and no tail rocker, this will help with landings and give you more grip/stability if you find yourself in a wind scoured coolie.


Taking your original question at face value, ^^^^^ is the best answer in this thread. 

 

As far as the troll stuff, guys you need to shape up your vocab. A troll starts and then prolongs arguments, likes to reverse field/offer a new "naive" question every time things settle down. None of that here; the pot's being stirred by some of you, not him. Any of you remember being young and confident/naive enough to think you'd conquer any world you wanted? Not a federal offense. OP: Check back in March with tales of your western exploits, video or skiing with someone who also posts here always helps when you're claiming major skill sets. wink.gif

 

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Taking your original question at face value, ^^^^^ is the best answer in this thread. 

 

As far as the troll stuff, guys you need to shape up your vocab. A troll starts and then prolongs arguments, likes to reverse field/offer a new "naive" question every time things settle down. None of that here; the pot's being stirred by some of you, not him. Any of you remember being young and confident/naive enough to think you'd conquer any world you wanted? Not a federal offense. OP: Check back in March with tales of your western exploits, video or skiing with someone who also posts here always helps when you're claiming major skill sets. wink.gif

 


Curious have either you or whiteroom skied the midseason release with rocker Double Helix? I had been asking on this forum and searching elsewhere and for info on that ski and never found much. Any chance of a summary of your findings?

 

Also, I am not really in agreement with the premise that conventional charging skis (perhaps with marketing rocker) are the best one ski quiver choice for LCC. I have owned a couple pair of serious charging skis (im103 and Original Huge trouble). The 103 sank like a stone in deep powder... And the huge was meerly ponderous and un-fun (despite being mounted aft of the line). Charging skis have their place at a resort like the bird, but that place is not as an every day ski, they are quiver skis.

 

Personally I think something with more powder performance, a more relaxed flex and a bit of rocker in tip and tail for slarvyness is a much better choice... Not sure if the helix / dub helis is that ski or not.  The huge rocker is pretty intriguing to me as its the same ski as the original just with rocker... still alot of ski but seems like it probably could work on a deeper day. But in truth I would probably prefer something a bit less "serious" even than that. Its why I got 112RPs, to find a ski that is great for powder and serious enough to ski the resort once the pow is gone. And like the OP, I am also a learning freerider with alot of the same goals for this season learning to drop 20'ers and such... 

 

Here is something that BWIPA posted in the snowbird gate thread. Guy is killing it on floppy EP Pros...

 

I also posted another video earlier of "real world conditions"... an every day ski needs to be able to ski both well. A conventional charger sucks big time in deep powder so you screw yourself on days that are the best time to step up and go big, best days of the season you end up fighting your equipment -- when you should be going bigger than ever before, and gaining confidence. $.02


Edited by tromano - 8/16/11 at 8:19am
post #46 of 217
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Originally Posted by jaytierney View Post

This reminds me... I'm planning to slay the shit out of Eagle's Nest this winter - can anyone recommend a ski for me to use for that?

 

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one you will take over rocks...cause they're beat, or free, or you just don't care.

post #47 of 217

If I was seriously going to attempt it, I'm pretty sure the wellfare of my skis would be the last thing I'd be worried about.
 

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one you will take over rocks...cause they're beat, or free, or you just don't care.



 

post #48 of 217
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post


Curious have either you or whiteroom skied the midseason release with rocker Double Helix? I had been asking on this forum and searching elsewhere and for info on that ski and never found much. Any chance of a summary of your findings?

 

Also, I am not really in agreement with the premise that conventional charging skis (perhaps with marketing rocker) are the best one ski quiver choice for LCC. I have owned a couple pair of serious charging skis (im103 and Original Huge trouble). The 103 sank like a stone in deep powder... And the huge was meerly ponderous and un-fun (despite being mounted aft of the line). Charging skis have their place at a resort like the bird, but that place is not as an every day ski, they are quiver skis.

 

Personally I think something with more powder performance, a more relaxed flex and a bit of rocker in tip and tail for slarvyness is a much better choice... Not sure if the helix / dub helis is that ski or not.  The huge rocker is pretty intriguing to me as its the same ski as the original just with rocker... still alot of ski but seems like it probably could work on a deeper day. But in truth I would probably prefer something a bit less "serious" even than that. Its why I got 112RPs, to find a ski that is great for powder and serious enough to ski the resort once the pow is gone. And like the OP, I am also a learning freerider with alot of the same goals for this season learning to drop 20'ers and such... 

 

Here is something that BWIPA posted in the snowbird gate thread. Guy is killing it on floppy EP Pros...

 

I also posted another video earlier of "real world conditions"... an every day ski needs to be able to ski both well. A conventional charger sucks big time in deep powder so you screw yourself on days that are the best time to step up and go big, best days of the season you end up fighting your equipment -- when you should be going bigger than ever before, and gaining confidence. $.02




That's insane, I wish I had half that skilleek.gif

post #49 of 217

You're young, you're going to live in Utah. Lucky you. A lot of us are jealous, frankly. It's probably true that you're not as good as you think you are, but it's also probably the case that, if you don't do anything dumb, you'll be a MUCH better skier a year from now. And you won't be using outmoded terms or keywords that jump out and flag you as a possible gaper.

You're in for a big transition if you do this, enjoy it. And to wit, don't bother buying too much gear now. Get out there, get a feel for what people are using, doing, how they talk, etc. Why risk buying a bunch of gear in Minnesota, lugging it  out to Utah, and having the locals call you a Jong (or whatever they'll be saying next season)? Show up with as much cash as you can and work it out from there. Get a job at the resort, get to know people, and you'll be in line for lots of deals, discounts and second-handers. And hope for snow. 

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You're young, you're going to live in Utah. Lucky you. A lot of us are jealous, frankly. It's probably true that you're not as good as you think you are, but it's also probably the case that, if you don't do anything dumb, you'll be a MUCH better skier a year from now. And you won't be using outmoded terms or keywords that jump out and flag you as a possible gaper.

You're in for a big transition if you do this, enjoy it. And to wit, don't bother buying too much gear now. Get out there, get a feel for what people are using, doing, how they talk, etc. Why risk buying a bunch of gear in Minnesota, lugging it  out to Utah, and having the locals call you a Jong (or whatever they'll be saying next season)? Show up with as much cash as you can and work it out from there. Get a job at the resort, get to know people, and you'll be in line for lots of deals, discounts and second-handers. And hope for snow. 


Very good advice, agree with everything you said.  OP, just do this, and have fun.

post #51 of 217

hahahaha bullshit, you troll. you really think you could go to LLC and be the fastest, ballsiest skier on the mountain? you got a surprise coming to you, youre just an overly confident kid who's skied at some pussy resorts excuse for "extreme" terrain. i knew a kid just like you, from north dakota thinkin he was all that and that he was better than everyone on the mountain. he also said the exact same thing you said "i ski stuff the locals turn away from". so im skiing with this cocky douche and he tells me to ski a line at my home mountain. knowing from experience i refused because of the conditions being so incredibly wrong for what he was tring to do. i tell him dont go. but he's too cocky too listen and skis it looking all confident. with his shear idiocy, he makes a jump turn about halfway down a 45* plus chute that is covered in ice, and catches a rock sticking out due to the lack of base, being in december. he falls sideways, ragdolls about halfway down this chute, until he smashes into the cliff face on the one side of the chute. Broke both of his legs, punctured a lung and cracked two vertabrae. i haven't seen him skiing since.

i guess what im saying, is if you really are stupid enough that you feel youre the best skiier on the mountain, know the mountain before you go defending your pride. Cheers. Troll

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Curious have either you or whiteroom skied the midseason release with rocker Double Helix? Unfortunately, have not. Also very curious. Don't think anyone at TGR has either.

 

Also, I am not really in agreement with the premise that conventional charging skis (perhaps with marketing rocker) are the best one ski quiver choice for LCC. I have owned a couple pair of serious charging skis (im103 and Original Huge trouble). The 103 sank like a stone in deep powder... And the huge was meerly ponderous and un-fun (despite being mounted aft of the line). Charging skis have their place at a resort like the bird, but that place is not as an every day ski, they are quiver skis. Good point, although some here suggest new Legend Pro is sweeter. But was responding to OP's specific request for a charging ski. Personally, I'm more in the moderate flex, early rise/mild rocker + traditional/mild tail for billygoating when it comes to the steeps, because you can't always specify plenty of powder and no ice, rocks, or crap. Not a fan of really wide skis for chutes. But I'm not a serious charger, more explorer mode, knees don't appreciate much air. Part of this is that like a lot of newbies, OP's specs for ski performance aren't necessarily a good match with place he wants to end up. 

 



 

post #53 of 217

Just reservin a spot in the xstream thread

How the hells someone who doesnt eat bacon gonna go hudge on the xstreme gnar gnar

I may just have to leave the freindly confines of the bdoublec to see how the most exstreme skier in MN hangs in the most awesome holiness that Dick Bass created

yo tofu boy bwpa couldnt hang in the lcc and hes a pro I know bwpa is a better skier than you cause hes told us many many times

Shit son i dont think your MN soybean curd granola eatin ass could even make the sillytude fantesy hike let alone ski a line off it

Ill let the my dentist bros know your comin and to dust off the jong whackin sticks

 

post #54 of 217

Am I alone here, or is anyone else craving bacon?

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Originally Posted by jaytierney View Post

Am I alone here, or is anyone else craving bacon?


That's what my skiing's been missing.

 

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Originally Posted by VeganFreeskier View Post

I never said that I can ski all the runs I mentioned (i.e. Schmidiot's), and I didn't intend to imply that I'm that good yet, but I do think I will be soon, and I've skied every open double black at every mountain resort I've been to including JH (and none has given me more than a slight challenge), as well as off-piste stuff much harder than most double blacks. And yes, in my opinion, I do have a lot of innate talent and am a fast learner when it comes to skiing. I could ski some of the runs I mentioned in the topic post, not gracefully perhaps, but I could get down them. And since I've only skied in the mountains 5 times or so and am at that point now, I expect to be able to ski them well after a short time living in the mountains. I'll take some helmet cam footage this December and post it here if people don't believe me.

Whoa....You skied in the big mountains 5 times and you claim that you are ready to rip the s&*t out of the double blacks out west?  Sorry, dude, you are just full of it...  You went to Jackson Hole with your parents and you skied a double black diamond there, well, BFD...   I hope you don't mind the flaming that will follow, because you asked for it... 

 

In my humble opinion a real western double black is pretty binary- you can either ski it put together or you ski it upside down. There is no such thing as "getting down" Schmidiots or Chimney Sweep, or Sacrifice (for the record- I have not done any of those and I have a feeling that despite this sad fact I am still a better skier than you are).  Those kinds of runs take balls AND skills and, crucially, those skills take years to develop, no exception.   Good luck to you.  

 

Maybe try to talk to BWPA, as a former Snowbird guy he probably could give you some advice and hopefully cool you down.  I have a feeling that he is a way better skier than you are, so listen to him.   
 

 

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Ill let the my dentist bros know your comin and to dust off the jong whackin sticks

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post #58 of 217
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Originally Posted by jaytierney View Post

This reminds me... I'm planning to slay the shit out of Eagle's Nest this winter - can anyone recommend a ski for me to use for that?

 

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A nice parachute would do just fine.  

post #59 of 217

Metron?

post #60 of 217

I love threads like this, but they make me ache for winter.

 

To the OP, it's called "Divine Intervention" you either make it, or you don't.

 

Good luck to you anyway.

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