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post #31 of 160
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 as the air-apparent chair of the I hate blue committee, I concur with our past president. It's a shame too, the mountain has such potential. The "snow-making" is horrible, its more like a icey granular that is blown and not whaled, so it maintains a high moisture content and clumps up- aka, death cookies.  There is much terrian there that could be opened and designed with mininal thought to traffic patterns an fun factor. It's a shame


I remember a discussion with Phil, telling him about a great day skiing Blue with just really good snow. His response was "Yeah, and I got a really great hamburger once at McDonalds". The absolute worst snow conditions I encountered this year was at Vail on it's  second gathering day, Blue was never that bad even following a refreeze after rain. I spent at least 15 days this season at Blue and my truth is the snow held up very well. Consistently, Blue exceeded my expectations. I'm out of there early in the afternoon mid-week, so, I can't speak to afternoons and weekends. Somewhere there is a disconnect, but, as I'm there, I don't think it's on my end. Phil's been there once in 5 years, not sure how much you have been.

 

My sole point is that Blue has a reputation on Epic that is highly influence by Philpug's thinking. It deserves better.



 

post #32 of 160

Gee thanks Mike, Sorry to think that I have no opinions of my own.......  Blue sucks., OK, it just sucks.  I don't like inconsistent, icy, slushy nasty machine made tilled and ground  snow...  WTF! 

post #33 of 160

I'll join in.  Blue sucks worse than CB. 

 

Of course, I never learned the rhythms of Blue, unlike Camelback.  So, maybe if I'd know when to ski where and how to avoid the lines on the chairs and the crowds on various trails, I might have been happy there, but I was only there for races.  Presumably if I'd been forced/stupid enough to ski CB's Honeymoon Lane at 2:30 on a Saturday, I'd have the same impression of CB, but I always knew where NOT to go at certain times.  I assume that's the same with any mountain you regularly ski at.  So, I'll allow there is a way to ski Blue on a weekend and enjoy it....  In theory.

post #34 of 160
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I'll join in.  Blue sucks worse than CB. 

 

Of course, I never learned the rhythms of Blue, unlike Camelback.  So, maybe if I'd know when to ski where and how to avoid the lines on the chairs and the crowds on various trails, I might have been happy there, but I was only there for races.  Presumably if I'd been forced/stupid enough to ski CB's Honeymoon Lane at 2:30 on a Saturday, I'd have the same impression of CB, but I always knew where NOT to go at certain times.  I assume that's the same with any mountain you regularly ski at.  So, I'll allow there is a way to ski Blue on a weekend and enjoy it....  In theory.

Sib, you see the TR's and general madness from the Blue Crew, do you think we're enjoying ourselves?  There's plenty of ways to enjoy yourself at Blue. 

 

 

Wait...don't really answer that.
 

 

post #35 of 160
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Gee thanks Mike, Sorry to think that I have no opinions of my own.......  Blue sucks., OK, it just sucks.  I don't like inconsistent, icy, slushy nasty machine made tilled and ground  snow...  WTF! 



Still better then not skiing, no?

post #36 of 160

I agree, by drinking at Blue you can have plenty of fun. 
 

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Sib, you see the TR's and general madness from the Blue Crew, do you think we're enjoying ourselves?  There's plenty of ways to enjoy yourself at Blue. 

 

 

Wait...don't really answer that.
 

 



 

post #37 of 160


if this is all you have and you don't want to make the drive to Elk, then sure, its all you have.  I honestly prefer to go snowshoeing than to Blue. I really don't like it. I am very fortunate that I don't have to.  During the season, I will not ski for 2 weeks at a time rather than "ski" there. I just don't enjoy it. I also don't want to risk getting ran into by the mobs of rude and unskilled kids. Snowboarder and skier alike. get in 40 plus days all out west, why risk injury or a miserable experience sliding around on that nasty crap?  Sorry, but I am sure that there a some good days up there but it's just not worth it.  Yes, I am a snow snob..
 

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Still better then not skiing, no?



 

post #38 of 160
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Still better then not skiing, no?

i totally agree. the winter is too short to not ski b/c blue mtn's snow sux.  elk is my favorite pa hill, but it's 2.5hrs away and it costs more.
 

 

post #39 of 160
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As far as Blue "deserving" a better reputation? Reputations are earned.

 

post #40 of 160
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Still better then not skiing, no?



Blue isn't skiing, it's survival.

post #41 of 160
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Blue isn't skiing, it's survival.


sometimes it is!  just think of it this way, whatever doesn't kill you makes you a better skier  wink.gif

 

post #42 of 160

paying money to survive and having a miserable time?  yeah, ah no......  Hey enjoy it have fun. its what you have so I am not going to criticize you for it.

post #43 of 160
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its what you have so I am not going to criticize you for it.

 

thanks, it's good enough to be a local hill...but that's about it. i don't think any of us are saying blue is world class skiing, lol!  at least i am able to get out of PA to enjoy real mountains and real snow. 

 

post #44 of 160

my point is still that it could be a much better home mountain. There's no excuse for the poor snow making and abismal grooming.  I would gladly go there on week days when not crowded if they could get their act together. 

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i totally agree with you.

post #46 of 160
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my point is still that it could be a much better home mountain. There's no excuse for the poor snow making and abismal grooming.  I would gladly go there on week days when not crowded if they could get their act together. 

I go to Blue more than any other of the Pocono hills and have a lot fun there, so I somewhat disagree with Finn...BUT, he's right about:  there were two times last year on Lower Main Street that the cookies were so large, it was not only frightening, but actually dangerous...it was like skiing on small rocks.  Not pebbles...rocks.  There is no excuse for that...none at all.

 

They should also look at opening up some more of the hill.  The best part of skiing at JF is that they pretty much let you go anywhere between the boundaries.  Both Blue and Camelback could really thin some trees and let skiers use the hill a little more. Camelback has fenced nearly the entire mountain to keep folks from straying outside the runs.

 

These are both easy fixes that would make Blue a lot more fun to ski at (and in the case of the grooming, less dangerous).

 

-Smarty

 

post #47 of 160
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if this is all you have and you don't want to make the drive to Elk, then sure, its all you have.  I honestly prefer to go snowshoeing than to Blue. I really don't like it. I am very fortunate that I don't have to.  During the season, I will not ski for 2 weeks at a time rather than "ski" there. I just don't enjoy it. I also don't want to risk getting ran into by the mobs of rude and unskilled kids. Snowboarder and skier alike. get in 40 plus days all out west, why risk injury or a miserable experience sliding around on that nasty crap?  Sorry, but I am sure that there a some good days up there but it's just not worth it.  Yes, I am a snow snob..
 



 



I've never really had any issues with the rude and unskilled segment at Blue outside of a few near misses.  To each their own, I don't expect everyone to like Blue.  It works well for me, and I can handle the conditions just fine. It's actually closer then Camelback, and about the travel time as Mountain Creek. 

 

I wish Elk were more accessible for me cause it's a cool place.  I actually like it better the Blue.  The "problem" is,  I can make it to Belleayre, Plattekill, Hunter/Windham in less time it takes to get to Elk.

post #48 of 160
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As far as Blue "deserving" a better reputation? Reputations are earned.

 



Agreed.  Blue has done some really stupid things that I can attest to personally.  However (shitty grooming aside) I think they are making strides in the right direction.

 

 

post #49 of 160
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I go to Blue more than any other of the Pocono hills and have a lot fun there, so I somewhat disagree with Finn...BUT, he's right about:  there were two times last year on Lower Main Street that the cookies were so large, it was not only frightening, but actually dangerous...it was like skiing on small rocks.  Not pebbles...rocks.  There is no excuse for that...none at all.

 

They should also look at opening up some more of the hill.  The best part of skiing at JF is that they pretty much let you go anywhere between the boundaries.  Both Blue and Camelback could really thin some trees and let skiers use the hill a little more. Camelback has fenced nearly the entire mountain to keep folks from straying outside the runs.

 

These are both easy fixes that would make Blue a lot more fun to ski at (and in the case of the grooming, less dangerous).

 

-Smarty

 


The death cookies are unexcusable.  Blue really needs to figure out what they are doing wrong there. Opening day the last 3 years has been the pits.

 

Blue has been opening up new terrain.  Nightmare & Dreamweaver have been great, and the thinning of the woods between Tut's and Lazy (something that many of us have been skiing for years anyway) and between Connector and X-ing was pretty fun last season.  I've heard they own a significant portion of the land to the East of Paradise that would be prime for some new trails.  I was speaking with Jim D on the lift closing day, and he said more "glades" could be a possibility for this season.

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Both Blue and Camelback could really thin some trees and let skiers use the hill a little more.

 



i second that!  the glades blue did open up aren't very long/extensive.  there's barely enough room in there to make 2 or 3 turns....  sux that elk mtn actively goes after peeps who go in the woods.  from what i can see from the trails, it looks like there is plenty of good tree skiing @ elk (when there is enough snow, of course)...

post #51 of 160

Blue is my home hill.   I have been skiing it since the days it was called Little Gap.  It sees alot of skier traffic with people traveling serious distances to hit the slopes.  Avoid the place at all costs during holidays and weekends!!

 

I think they do a fairly good job with snow conditions given the temperatures in the area.   Most days during the winter have a freeze/thaw cycle making for icy conditions and not so good bump skiing.  The glades are a joke, due to the length of trails and lack of natural snow fall.  If temperatures stay cool and mother nature cooperates, Blue can see some good conditions, but unfortunately they are usually short lived.   This is the challenge of skiing in PA. 

 

PA skiing is not VT or out west, but I am glad that I have several ski areas less than an hour away from my house. 

 

 

 

 

post #52 of 160
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if this is all you have and you don't want to make the drive to Elk, then sure, its all you have.  I honestly prefer to go snowshoeing than to Blue. I really don't like it. I am very fortunate that I don't have to.  During the season, I will not ski for 2 weeks at a time rather than "ski" there. I just don't enjoy it. I also don't want to risk getting ran into by the mobs of rude and unskilled kids. Snowboarder and skier alike. get in 40 plus days all out west, why risk injury or a miserable experience sliding around on that nasty crap?  Sorry, but I am sure that there a some good days up there but it's just not worth it.  Yes, I am a snow snob..
 

Ron,

The above sets a new standard for an elitist quote. In summary, you are saying that most any crowded, icy eastern area does not conform to your minimal standard. The risks you describe are something we all accept any time we buckle-up and step-in. I have no problem with your search for powder, steeps, trees and adventure. I envy your budget. I love TR's from the unique places you visit. But why the continued rant of jumping into a thread for the sole purpose of trashing a small, local ski area you choose not to ski?

 

 

 



 

post #53 of 160

Mike please learn how to post correctly when quoting

 

I have now stated 2 times in this thread alone (and many othe rtime) that Blue could be a better place so I am not sure why you feel the need to escalate this moot point. its a discussion, should I only post where I agree and support the OP? I might as well just go over to pmts and kiss some ass over there.  Suggesting that blue improve their snow making grooming and traffic flow are all good and positive suggestions so please get out of the heat go watch a HH tape and chill......

 

 

post #54 of 160

Blue is not as good a mountain as Elk or Blue Knob. But their terrain is not bad. It can be nice during the week or a night if it isn't too busy. But it has a lot more to offer than many of the PA alternatives - Spring Mountain, Bear Creek, Camelback, Big Boulder, etc. For some reason, Blue like most of the PA mountains has emphasized snow quantity at the expense of quality so you get lots of wet "snow" that freezes solid as soon as the temperature drops or the sun stops beating on it. But for all its flaws, Pennsylvania skiing (including Blue Mountain) is INFINITELY better than not skiing.

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But for all its flaws, Pennsylvania skiing (including Blue Mountain) is INFINITELY better than not skiing.



absolutely!

post #56 of 160
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Blue is not as good a mountain as Elk or Blue Knob. But their terrain is not bad. It can be nice during the week or a night if it isn't too busy. But it has a lot more to offer than many of the PA alternatives - Spring Mountain, Bear Creek, Camelback, Big Boulder, etc. For some reason, Blue like most of the PA mountains has emphasized snow quantity at the expense of quality so you get lots of wet "snow" that freezes solid as soon as the temperature drops or the sun stops beating on it. But for all its flaws, Pennsylvania skiing (including Blue Mountain) is INFINITELY better than not skiing.


Agreed.  Blue closed with over 2 feet of snow in March.  To me, that says they either made/received too much, or closed too early.  I find that Elk is a more fun mountain.  There's more distinct routes back to the lifts and zero runout. 

 

post #57 of 160
I think more people should go to Blue. smile.gif
post #58 of 160

There's never any knee to waist deep powder at Blue cool.gif.

 

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There's never any knee to waist deep powder at Blue cool.gif.

 

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doh!  i missed that day....kinda reminds me of the time a friend and i hit up c-back during the winter of 1996...that was the best conditions i'd ever had a c-back :)

 

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doh!  i missed that day....kinda reminds me of the time a friend and i hit up c-back during the winter of 1996...that was the best conditions i'd ever had a c-back :)

 



 

I still remember a day at Camelback might have been 81ish when we got hit with a perfect storm that brought feet(s) o snow. We were skiing ALL over Camelback including the lift lines under the triple next to Margies and under the Bailey Chair on and off of Asp. I will still play back some of those turns in my head. 
 

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There's never any knee to waist deep powder at Blue cool.gif.

 

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Was that the huuuge February (2-10) storm of 2 years ago? Noofus and I actually drove up and skied Blue that night. 

 

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