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post #31 of 60

Well, by that logic, what town would be it's current size without the resort? 

 

Routt County had half the population that Steamboat currently does in 1960 prior to the development of the resort.  That being said, the vast majority of population lived in Steamboat.  And Steamboat was the economic center of Routt County, the county seat, and would have remained so without the resort.

 

In many ways, Bozeman and Steamboat are similar.  They both are historic towns that served as hubs for regional agriculture.  Bozeman has developed more of an urban center with greater diversity of economic activity, likely as a result of the presence of a major univeristy.  Steamboat became a resort.

 

Bozeman is the new Durango or Boulder.  We'll see how long it stays the way it is.

 

Mike

post #32 of 60

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Wow Vinn, are you sure you have actually been to to Steamboat?  I think TAM should chime in here as your impression is about the town is so far off..  I thought you were describing Aspen or something. a lot of the locals spend most of their season up of Buff or other areas the only question that is reasonably true would be #6 and that's only because the boat gets so much gret snow we don't have to ski on shitty conditions....

 

 

Speaking of Bozeman area and fancy trendy places, how about your Moonlight Basin? Rainbow Ranch? The Reserve? Triplecreek? Double Arrow? The yellowstone club? Seems like you are closing in on Aspen and Beavercreek......   you have far more developments that are far from the rustic down to basics lifestyle you are imagining.....

 

Oh, I was just being funny.  I probably have 30 or 40 days or so skiing there, so I know it ok.  I've also spent time there in and around there in the summer.  Here's what I really think of Steamboat:

 

When it's a big powder day, over 20", Steamboat skis REALLY well.  It's a lot of fun hiking the radio tower and skiing Christmas Tree bowl.  For beginners and intermediates, there's a lot of excellent terrain all over the mountain and it skis awesome on a powder day.  It makes a beginner truly understand why people like powder skiing.  From what I remember, they get around 800000 - 900000 skier visits a year and the way it's spread out, you can get some nice powder days where the mountain doesn't get tracked out immediately.

 

On a bland day when there hasn't been a lot of snow for a few days, Steamboat is a solidly mediocre mountain.  The groomers ice up pretty quick due to exposure and the lower elevation.  The hikable terrain becomes chunky monkey.  You find yourself on some crappy traverses trying to get to places you wanna go, and those places tend to be pretty far out at the edge of the mountain.  So, when you wanna go somewhere for lunch it's a couple of boring lift rides.  Oh, and that traverse out at the end of the day... *yawn*.  

 

So, to be clear - I love Steamboat, I think it's a good mountain, especially when there's good snow.  When there's not good snow, I probably wouldn't bother driving there unless I had friends coming in from out of town and wanted to meet them.  

 

Now, about the town.. yes, Steamboat is an authentic western town.  It was there before the resort and it's retained some of it's character, more so than many ski towns.  Its particular character I never found to be too interesting.  I've never found a fun bar to hang out in; I never found any interesting locals to talk to.  I never found any restaurant that was a unique dining experience.  I'm sure all that exists and I didn't run across it.  In other words, I think it's even more boring than Keystone, which at least has The Goat, Fondue Chessel, and Skitip.  

 

Oh, and the mountain is owned by Intrawest.  Which, I'm sure the employees probably don't care about because most of the acquisition happened after The Meltdown, so they never had to experience the chaos of Intrawest Colorado.  Intrawest is ok, but I don't trust them.

 

Regarding Montana, the joke I used when I moved up here is that "Montana is what Colorado was 30 years ago."  The more I live up here, the truer that seems.  We're making some of the same mistakes Colorado made, but in other ways people seem to have learned from Colorado's growth.  It's definitely not a place for everyone.

 

Now, regarding the particular skiing differences between Big Sky and Steamboat.  Steamboat gets A LOT more powder days than Montana and better powder days.  It's champagne powder and it skis WELL.  I love it.  The terrain is fairly uninspiring though.  Big Sky and Moonlight Basin has a lot more varied terrain on a lot more aspects.  Wanna ski mellow glades?  We got it.  Wanna ski steep glades?  We got it.  Want wide open groomers?  Got it.  Want inbound runs with mandatory 60' drops?  Got it.  If you ask people where the gnarliest terrain is in the country, most people will name places like Jackson or Squaw or something.  Well, Big Sky and Bridger are the real deal - if someone isn't scared of some of this terrain we should be watching them in a TGR movie.  

 

You mentioned Moonlight - have you been here?  I'm glad our marketing or branding has projected an aura of refined culture, but the fact of the matter is our cafeteria is a circus tent and our administration building is a triple wide trailer.  If you read threads about Big Sky in general, you'll see lots of tips people give to our destination visitors.  One of the trends you'll see over and over is people mentioning the lack of things to do in Big Sky or how vacation planning seems harder because people seem to have to do more of the legwork themselves.  So, in many regards, it's a rather no frills place.  However, you're right - we manufacture real estate products that sell for over seven figures and YC's product offerings tip the scales even higher.  We also have a fairly stunning lodge that serves bottles of wine for hundreds of dollars.  Is it truly "rustic"?  "Down to the basics"?  I won't claim that it is, but everyone's interpretation will be different.  I think a lot of people would agree there's an interesting dichotomy at play.

 

The Big Sky area is very contained though - the culture in Bozeman, West Yellowstone and the rest of the state are completely different.

 

Finally, there's some places I'll wholeheartedly recommend someone move to sight unseen if they're just looking to be a skibum for a year.  Neither Montana nor Steamboat are places I'd recommend for most people, but there's a certain subset it's perfect for.

 

post #33 of 60

If he's planning on living there for the season, this is a minor issue.  And the flights will be so far apart that most vacation airfares wouldn't apply anyway.  In fact, I'd expect him to drive out so he'd have transport when he arrived. 
 

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Flying to Bozeman to ski Big Sky is a royal PITA - all commutter flights except one large NW plane.

The Cleveland branch of our ski club can't book any group airfares next year for a large group.

Several DC branch members can't use frequent flier miles to get to Bozeman.

 

In April airfares to Bozeman were higher than Aspen.

 

If I do this Big Sky trip I'll fly Southwest (free baggage) to SLC instead and add SLC days on both ends.

 

 

For Steamboat the easiest is Denver & get a rental car for the 2 hour drive.

or if you don't want a car fly to Steamboat Hayden Airport.- can't be more $$$  than Bozeman !



 

post #34 of 60

 

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For Steamboat the easiest is Denver & get a rental car for the 2 hour drive.


I dunno whatcher drivin', son, but you better watch out for the CSP while you're trying to keep whatever it is on the road at those speeds!  eek.gif

 

It takes me 2 hours to get from Winter Park to Steamboat, and an hour from Denver to Winter Park. But I'm old 'n' slow, obviously.
 

 

post #35 of 60


VInn-  NIce job!  I would say you are 99.99% dead one!  Cheers. AND my wife and I stayed at the Rainbow ranch a few years back during one summer and its a fantastic mini-resort. We love the area and it offered so much.  its just a beautiful part of the country. To be honest, its much more scenic than the Steamboat area. Moonlight?  yep, we were going to buy one o the cowboy cabins that were sale or one of the townhouse along the lift (forget the name but on the border of the two mountains) but I had an injury and couldn't go back out to really investigate.  Funny how life can work...  We chose Steamboat based on the town and the community though. No slight to anyone for any reason. We went there one Christmas on a last minute whim and instantly knew we loved the town. That was 5 years ago and we just bought a home there and are selling our condo. Plans are in place for a 2013 complete migration...  

 

 

 

 

post #36 of 60


Sounds like an excellent plan.  Where you buying if you don't mind me asking?

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 That was 5 years ago and we just bought a home there and are selling our condo. Plans are in place for a 2013 complete migration...  

 

 

 

 



 

post #37 of 60

Steamboat is a great town. Nodoubtaboutit. Bozeman can get darn cold and that's the truth. It takes a tolerance for physical hardship to love this place. 

 

Then again, you haven't seen snowbanks until you've seen Steamboat. That amount of shoveling is a labor of love. 

post #38 of 60


fairview, about 50 yards off Blackmere!  my backyard is literally Emerald.  So psyched. gotta have you over for a beer in december, 

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Sounds like an excellent plan.  Where you buying if you don't mind me asking?



 



 

post #39 of 60

too funny, yes, fortunately, my new home has near zero landscaping and almost nothing to shovel, plowing is another issue...  Group hug? 
 

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Steamboat is a great town. Nodoubtaboutit. Bozeman can get darn cold and that's the truth. It takes a tolerance for physical hardship to love this place. 

 

Then again, you haven't seen snowbanks until you've seen Steamboat. That amount of shoveling is a labor of love. 



 

post #40 of 60

Sounds great, Finn.  Maybe we will finally be able to get together for some turns once you move there permanently.

post #41 of 60

I would like that!  How man years ago did we meet on that plane?

post #42 of 60


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I would like that!  How man years ago did we meet on that plane?

Feb. of 2008.  Looks like you are going to back up to Howelson Hill.  That will be a fun lifestyle change.  You may need to buy a warm weather condo for your wife to escape to during the winter.

 

 

post #43 of 60

hmm, I think this is enough for now!  Fortunately I have lots of family in Pensacola....

post #44 of 60


That's a great neighborhood, you'll love it.  Lots of character.  I actually lived there briefly 8 years ago... our house was built on a stone foundation that had settled over the years and created a nice slope in the hallway that the dog learned to slide his tennis ball down so he could fetch it himself.

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fairview, about 50 yards off Blackmere!  my backyard is literally Emerald.  So psyched. gotta have you over for a beer in december, 



 



 

post #45 of 60

Steamboat Springs, but I'm biasedwink.gif

post #46 of 60

 

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yep, we were going to buy one o the cowboy cabins that were sale or one of the townhouse along the lift (forget the name but on the border of the two mountains) but I had an injury and couldn't go back out to really investigate.  

 


I think you might have made the right choice.  I suspect the Steamboat real estate market has rebounded quicker than Big Sky's.  We  were slow to see the meltdown, so we're lagging in recovering.  

 

I really like the Cowboy Heaven cabins - I think they were one of the better, and more unique, real estate offerings we had.  I'd love to see some kind of development done again like that, perhaps a tad bit larger, maybe with a small loft.  Another bonus would be to build them with built-in solar panels, I think a small footprint and eco-friendly would appeal to a lot of people.  (To be clear, I haven't seen any kind of development plan we're working on like that, it's just my personal thought.)  

 

PS.  The townhomes you're thinking of are the appropriately named "Saddle Ridge".  

 

 

 

post #47 of 60

yeah, they were really cool but a bit small 800sqft I think. Really unique.  Saddle Ridge, yes!  Thanks. 

post #48 of 60

 

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yeah, they were really cool but a bit small 800sqft I think. Really unique.  Saddle Ridge, yes!  Thanks. 


 

Maybe you're thinking the Cowboy Heaven cabins?  The Saddle Ridge townhomes range from 1700 sq ft for a two bedroom to 2100 sq ft for a three bedroom.  There's various bathroom configs that change the exact size.

post #49 of 60
Thread Starter 

I am trying to figure out the inside ski culture of each.  When I am in Bozeman and hit Bridger bowl single, noone will guide me up the ridge.  I am plenty capable but dont know the routes.  The locals seem snobish to anyone out of town.  Steamboat is more laid back and people are nice.  I guess I am looking for insites why...

post #50 of 60
Thread Starter 

Not young, just want to find a ski town or area that has cool people, not assholes or egotisical skiers.

post #51 of 60
Thread Starter 

What are these other places you would recommend moving to?

post #52 of 60

What are they?  Not sure if you didn't read the the thread or you're asking what OTHER (than your two and the others mentioned) towns are there?

 

There are a lot of threads on this.  But, unless you can tell us more (as asked here) we can't really help you.  Not just what terrain, but what lifestyle?  "Breaking through" and "making buddies" can happen anywhere. 

 

So far, I see people have mentioned Jackson, Summit County, Park City, Truckee, Vail, Whitefish, and Sun Valley.
 

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What are these other places you would recommend moving to?



 

post #53 of 60


Yes, that would be them, you are literally on the side of the runs....
 

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Maybe you're thinking the Cowboy Heaven cabins?  The Saddle Ridge townhomes range from 1700 sq ft for a two bedroom to 2100 sq ft for a three bedroom.  There's various bathroom configs that change the exact size.



 

post #54 of 60

hmm, take Jackson and Squaw off that list....  biggrin.gif  (ok, its a joke, kind of....  Except for the JH/Tahoe bears here... of course....)

 

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Not young, just want to find a ski town or area that has cool people, not assholes or egotisical skiers.



 

post #55 of 60

Well, here's our annual employee video contest for ski patrol.  Hope that helps you understand how laid back we are here

 

post #56 of 60


 

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Flying to Bozeman to ski Big Sky is a royal PITA - all commutter flights except one large NW plane.

 

Northwest was absorbed into Delta in 1/2010.  At least according to Wikipedia, Delta flies to BZN from ATL (mainline, seasonal), DTW (mainline, seasonal), SLC (Delta Connection, i.e. smaller planes), and MSP (mainline part of the year, Delta Connection the other part).

post #57 of 60

Sibhusky, that is funny!  Thanks for sharing.

post #58 of 60
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Well, here's our annual employee video contest for ski patrol.  Hope that helps you understand how laid back we are here.

 

Fun stuff!

Thanks,

JF

post #59 of 60

Thanks Sib!  R u in that?

post #60 of 60

I'm not, but I know several of those people.
 

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Thanks Sib!  R u in that?



 

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