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Line Influence 105 or Prophet 98?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

So need some help choosing skis and looking for some first hand info on theses skis.  Trying to decide between the Influence 105 and Prophet 98, both in 172.  Looking for my CO everydayish "car" ski.  Want something that won't get bounced around in the cut-up day after chop, but can also handle tightish trees and can hold a strong edge on the groomers.  Keep in mind I already am planning on getting the Influence 115 and already have SFBs (and yes, there is a reason I'm on Lines so trying to stick with them for this ski too).  Really liked P4s (more liked loooooved, perfect "car" ski),  Enforcers, Blizzard Atlas, and Volkl Bridges... so curious if either of the Lines will ski similar to any of these.  Me:  aggressive, prefer carving over slarving 5'4 130lb 

 

 

post #2 of 19

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I really wanted the Prophet 98's or 100's but couldn't pass up a deal I got on some Enforcers. But I am for sure going to pick some up at the end of the season.

post #3 of 19

Not sure why you would get the Influence 105's if you are already planning on getting the Influence 115's.  I've skied both the Prophet 100's (last year's model) and the Influence 105's.  The Influence 105's do feel quite a bit burlier, but not in a bad way -- just different.  You have the additional waist width, sidewall construction and the rocker.  Almost seems like the Prophet 90's would be the better bet to diversify your quiver.

post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by tam View Post  Really liked P4s (more liked loooooved, perfect "car" ski),  Enforcers, Blizzard Atlas, and Volkl Bridges... so curious if either of the Lines will ski similar to any of these.  Me:  aggressive, prefer carving over slarving 5'4 130lb 

 

 



The P-98 is at least in the same ballpark as the Atlas and Enforcer. The Bridge???......maybenotsomuch depending upon which version you skied.

 

IAC the P-98 makes at least some sense in conjunction with an Influence 115 and SFB. For may tastes, the 105 makes no sense at all in that mix.

 

SJ

post #5 of 19

I would look at the Prophet 98. It is super versatile.  The Influence 105 was also a fun ski, probably a little sluggish for some of the terrain you would want an all-mountain, everyday ski to excel at.  Not bad, but the P98 was the better ski the day I tried it,which was around 6-8" of new, and soft groomers and bumps.  I would assume that for Colorado snow, most days would suit the narrower of the 2 better, especially if you already have a big ski to go to when it dumps. 

post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the input guys, but I already got the 98s 4 months ago (op was in august).

post #7 of 19

Bumping an old thread here....

 

I have the chance to get my hands on a pair of new 2012 Line Influence either 105 or 115 dirt cheap.

I'm trying to figure out if any of them is the ski I'm after. I'm looking for a replacement of my Prophet 100. I really love them, I like the light feel of them, but they are toast. I also have a pair of Atomic Coax wich are way more stable and burly for charging fast in any conditions, and they do kick the Prophet's but in crud. But they're just not as much fun!

 

So, the question is. Is the Influence anything like the old Prophet 100? I'm reading words like "burly" and "sluggish" above, words I would never associate with the Prophets. Makes me think these aren't the skiis I'm after?

 

Skiis will be mounted with Tele-bindings and serve as my everyday set up. Will be used for anything from groomers to touring in alpine terrain. Mostly I'll be skiing tight trees though..

 

Any input appriciated

post #8 of 19

If you like the P100s you'll love the Influence 105.  I have been on the P100s for the past 4 seasons as my daily driver in the PNW and I love them.  I had a  chance to demo the 2012 Influence 105 twice this past season.  Very similar feel, flex pattern.  The ski felt immediately familiar.  I think that it is a bit more solid, more dialed, on firmer snow, but the touch of rocker gives the Influence a little more modern feel in loose snow and crud.  If you love your P100s, I wouldn't think twice.  It is essentially the ski that you already love made better.  It is a dampish ski for sure, but damp in a good, solid way - not  listless.  I think that the lack of love on the boards is in part related to the fact that the ski feels so similar to the P100s.  It is an evolution over a ski that was fairly revolutionary on initial release. 

post #9 of 19

The 98 is much closer in feel and temperament than the 105.

 

SJ
 

post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by LewyM View Post

If you like the P100s you'll love the Influence 105.  I have been on the P100s for the past 4 seasons as my daily driver in the PNW and I love them.  I had a  chance to demo the 2012 Influence 105 twice this past season.  Very similar feel, flex pattern.  The ski felt immediately familiar.  I think that it is a bit more solid, more dialed, on firmer snow, but the touch of rocker gives the Influence a little more modern feel in loose snow and crud.  If you love your P100s, I wouldn't think twice.  It is essentially the ski that you already love made better.  It is a dampish ski for sure, but damp in a good, solid way - not  listless.  I think that the lack of love on the boards is in part related to the fact that the ski feels so similar to the P100s.  It is an evolution over a ski that was fairly revolutionary on initial release. 

 

Interesting input, thanks. Have you tried the 115's at all? I wouldn't mind the width, but again, I really want to have a ski that is as playful as the P100...

 

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

The 98 is much closer in feel and temperament than the 105.

 

SJ
 

This is more what I expected based on the differences between the Prophet 100 and Prophet 115. I want a wider ski though, so the 98 is out of the question. And besides, the only reason I'm thinking about this is the fact that I can get a pair of Influence 105 really cheap right now...

post #11 of 19

Neither of the two (115 or 105) have the same nimble/playful feel as the older P100.....however, the 105 is closer than the 115 is.

 

SJ

post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by Tele-Swede View Post

 

Interesting input, thanks. Have you tried the 115's at all? I wouldn't mind the width, but again, I really want to have a ski that is as playful as the P100...

 

Hi T-S.  I have not ridden the 115s.  I friend of mine rides the last version of the P115s and he demo'd the Influence 105 when I did.  His reaction was "similar feel, but quicker. . . not different enough from the 115s [to be interesting to him]."  I agree with SJ that the Influence 105 is different from the P100, but it is similar in feel, after about 3 turns it felt immediately familar.  I felt like it was an evolution of the Prophet, in ways that I like - but I like a somewhat damp ski.  I felt like Line improved the two things that I would have improved over the P100 (better hard snow grip on groomers, but more modern ability to smear a bit in soft snow thanks to the rocker).  It is maybe less "poppy" and more directional (no twin tip), but I thought that it was still fun.  Also, I have no data to prove it (one of the pros could validate or debunk), but mounted on the line the Influence felt more forward mounted than my Prophets.  All in, I liked the ski a lot - I pushed it pretty aggressively (once at Alpental in total mank and once at Crystal in spring corn) and it was solid.  I'd be happy to ski the Influence 105 as an everyday ski around the PNW (Alpental, Crystal, Stevens) for days when I am not on powder skis (but for me, that slot in my quiver is a damp, solid ski).  If you have a line on an awesome deal, you really like the P100 and are thinking a touch wider, I'd pull the trigger without hesitation.  That said, I agree with Dawg's review of skis in the class, one of the most on-point (for me), that the Influence is a great all-arounder, but there are skis in the 98-108 class that are maybe more "exciting" in one dimension or another (while maybe less solid all-around).

 

If you really want something close in feel to the old P100s, another ski to look at might be the Nordica Soul Rider (98 underfoot).  I haven't ridden these yet (so take my review with a healthy dose of salt), but a friend with a similar style picked up a pair having really liked my Prophets and he loves the soul riders and says that they have a high fun-factor.  Rocker/camber/rocker with a twin tip, seems like a modern version of the P100 - probably more playful than the Influence 105, but per my buddy's report, solid enough on the groomers with the family at Sun Valley.

 

Lots of great choices 98-108.  You really can't go wrong.

post #13 of 19

Just ordered a pair of Influence 105 in the 179 length.

Thanks for your input!

 

They'll be my one-quiver tele-ski except for the old beat up P100's wich I'll keep as rock skis för early season skiing. Have to figure out wich bindings I should get. Good thing I've got a few months to think about it...

 

Now, back to the regular seasonal schedual of biking! Tomorow is season opening for the upper half of the mountain here. Still too much snow, but I'm hoping some trails will be ridable up there.

post #14 of 19

I have they eaxact ski you just ordered with a set of look pivots on them, you wont be disappointed, took mine out today for the first time, great ski, very predictable, damp very solid feel, but you can still make hard short radius turns if you want to work them.  I found they really like to run out and are better at higher speeds, the faster you go the better they feel!
 

post #15 of 19

Sunday was the first day on the Influence!  I really like them, they kind of ride like the Prophet 100's grew up! 

Had a few runs on nice groomers in the morning, got som boot/knee-deep pow in the side-country mid-day and then finished on deteriorating snow/ice under the floodlights. (days are short around here)

I'll probably have to work a bit harder to get them around the trees, but that's a trade off I'm willing to take for a bit more control at speed.

post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by Tele-Swede View Post

Sunday was the first day on the Influence!  I really like them, they kind of ride like the Prophet 100's grew up! 

Had a few runs on nice groomers in the morning, got som boot/knee-deep pow in the side-country mid-day and then finished on deteriorating snow/ice under the floodlights. (days are short around here)

I'll probably have to work a bit harder to get them around the trees, but that's a trade off I'm willing to take for a bit more control at speed.

Glad to see that you liked the Influence 105.  Your description is apt.  An evolved version of the P100 - providing you like the direction Line evolved it (more damp, more solid).  The surprise is how solid they are at speed at 105 under foot.  I think that you'll be fine with it in the trees.  Relative to your P100s the rocker on the 105s should help you pivot, smear and shut down speed as needed.  Enjoy and have a great season.

post #17 of 19

Time to dig up this thread mid bike season again!

As much as i liked the Influence 105, and I really did, it's time for new skis again as one of them developed a bit more rocker then designed, so to speak... 

 

 

I'm getting new skis from Line but the shop is out of Influence 105. I have an offer to get 115's in 175cm but not sure that I'll like them as much. Does anyone have an opinion on the new Line skis?

The Sick Day 110 sounds a lot like the ski I'm after... Should I ask for a pair of them?

post #18 of 19

I guess you are talking about the 115 @179. I believe the Sick Day 110 will be a much better all mountain ski than the 115. Ask for them :-)

post #19 of 19
i bought some 115s on a whim, what a mistake, so unresponsive,heavy and slow to bring around. I have used them only a handful of times and just ski bonafides and p100s
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