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Some videos of very solid riding

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Hey everyone Ive been looking around at some different snowboarding forums, and I really liked some of the threads on here so I joined up. Thought I would share some videos I am fond of.










I really like the style of the guy with the red jacket and white helmet.




Bryan has an AWESOME toeside turn at 1:47. I saw that he is a member here which is another reason I joined




Nice dynamic turns

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Hey Caleb, welcome to Epic!


Those are good instructor oriented clips. Do you teach somewhere?


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Hey Rusty! Yeah I teach at Wisp resort in MD. I taught the winter of 2005 at snowshoe back when I was in college.


I really like the flexion extension drill you've mentioned in a few different threads about touching your boot tops / toes during the turn then standing up in the transition. Do you have any other clinic type drills like that you would be willing to share?

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I have a drill for teaching dynamic carving where you start your turns by kicking the tail of the board downhill instead of kicking the tail of the board to the outside of the turn like you see many intermediate riders do. By stalling out at the end of the old turn, you are forced to move weight forward to start the next turn and can feel the effect of board twist much easier. I use this drill to introduce the concept of sequential leg and edge movements (as opposed to simultaneous movements in basic turns). By doing this drill slowly at first, the sequential movements are exaggerated. Progressing the drill from slow, wider turns with traverses into shorter fall line turns is what transitions this from a drill into "regular" turns and gets riders ready for the bumps.


This is a good drill to do after the toe touch drill because many students do not get much difference between back leg short and front leg long at the very start of the turn and thus don't get their hips low enough to the ground. You can't do dynamic carving without getting your legs out from underneath your hips and you can't get your legs out from underneath you and still maintain snow contact unless your hips get lowered. The more you step hard on your back foot to kick the board downhill, the lower you'll move your hips. Then you 'll want your students to move weight forward to initiate the new turn without moving up!

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Nice videos!


I only ride a softboot set up about once a year but can appreciate good riding.  Carving on an alpine board is a blast but I can't begin to emulate the style of this young lady.


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Thanks for the drills Rusty I am really pumped to put them to use this season!


Pat I have seen some guys on alpine boards at a local resort (7 springs) laying the deepest and sickest carved lines I have ever seen. Do you run an alpine stance with soft boots? I dunno why but I just thought of this video of a guy carving switch on a alpine board. The guy does some CRAZY stuff later in the video.



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Originally Posted by Caleb Crosby View Post

Thanks for the drills Rusty I am really pumped to put them to use this season!


Pat I have seen some guys on alpine boards at a local resort (7 springs) laying the deepest and sickest carved lines I have ever seen. Do you run an alpine stance with soft boots? I dunno why but I just thought of this video of a guy carving switch on a alpine board. The guy does some CRAZY stuff later in the video.



Jeff Vest does some incredible switch carving in that video.

I only ride a softboot set up on the rare occasions that I'm teaching. The rest of the time I ride a hardboot setup. My focus is racing. I've never mastered the fully laid out Eurocarve but it's on my to-do list. Here's a shot of my current ride - a 178 cm Sigi Grabner GS board.

I tried a little switch riding on both my board and my skis in Davos a couple of years ago. There's also some footage of me getting clocked at 55 mph on a snowboard. Not the smartest thing this sixty-something has ever done.

Edited by patmoore - 9/29/11 at 12:18pm
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I post on snowboardingforums.com and started a similar thread. Someone contributed these videos.





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I think I just fell in lovedrool.gif

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On most weekends at Okemo I set dual courses at the NASTAR venue, one course with traditional ski gates and one with stubbies for snowboarders.  Four of us were videoed on Saturday and I uploaded the results to YouTube.


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I feel bad I haven't posted on this forum in a while. I really like that this community seems more interested in technical riding vs tricks... I thought I would contribute some more videos to get everyone excited about next season.








This section 8 group also has a lot of videos of solid skiing


I am no where near the level of riders in these videos, but I put together an edit from the limited footage from last season. Any feedback would be appreciated. I was trying to focus on retraction type turns and range of motion last season. I definitely know i need to quiet down my back arm as seen in the more dynamic portions :) Hope to get a lot more video footage this season.



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Hey Caleb! Welcome here :) Awesome videos!
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good stuff

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I like the edge engagement (vs skidding) and your solid balance over the board (e.g. not sitting over the back foot). I also like how your toe side turns have just a slight amount of back arch instead of bending forward at the waist. Your 180 toe to toe turns land nicely on the new edge (try launching them with a bit more ollie). It's time to step up your game to more difficult terrain. Focusing on retraction turns is the right preparation for moving to the next level. 


Arm movements are usually symptoms of lack of other movements vs a cause of riding issues. When you ride holding the camera on pole, can you see how the back arm is much quieter? But you also kick the back leg around more  too. Try riding with your hands held together behind your back. If that is hard to do, then you need to work on leg bend drills. My favorite one of those is to ride with your hands on your knees all the time, except for a brief moment when you want to start a new turn. Raise the hands to touch your shoulders, change edges, then go right back to holding the knees. When you can do that, hold the top of the boots. When you can do that, hold your toes. When you do that, do a grab on heel sides and touch the top sheet on toes sides (and yes keep rising to touch your shoulders for edge changes). When you can ride easily holding your hands together behind your back, then you can focus on choosing a riding style where your hands cover the tip and tail or your hands mimic holding a steering wheel. Either way, from there try holding your shoulders in line with the board at all times as a drill (especially heel side). If you are using constant leg extension and retraction movement throughout your turns (as opposed to just retracting to start your turns), this should be easy. There are different styles of riding that include some amount of shoulder alignment different than board alignment. The slight differences in board vs shoulder alignment I see in your riding aren't a bad thing, but you should be aware of what you're doing in different parts of the turns and the plusses and minuses of getting out of alignment at each point. Make a conscious choice instead of an accidental one. This effort will help make retraction turns easier. I often tell my students "You turn with your feet, not your shoulders". But you can't turn as well with your feet if you are not using leg retraction and extension movements while you are trying to steer. If you focus on leg movements while you are turning, you will find that you need to use less shoulder movement and that the position of your hands therefore becomes irrelevant.


At 2:22 we can see an effort to do retraction turns. In instructor speak we call these dynamic carving. This is where the path of the body and the path of the board start to noticeably diverge (e.g. the path of the body is much straighter down the hill than the path of the board making "S" shaped turns). Something else starts to happen too. The leg and edge movements start to become sequential instead of simultaneous. So instead of both feet shifting onto the new edge at about the same time, the front foot goes to flat while the back foot is still on edge and then the front foot goes to the new edge while the back foot goes flat. When the front foot goes flat, it is directly underneath the hips and the front leg is at the shortest length. At that time the back leg is at it's longest length and the farthest distance away from the body. After passing underneath the body, as the front leg starts to lengthen, the back leg starts to shorten (retract) as it begins to pass underneath the body. In your turns, I see the beginnings of picking up this technique. But there are a few things holding you back. The first is that you need to get your hips lower so that they can stay at a constant height off the snow. Currently you have some "bounce" in the hips that is making balance more difficult and slowing the retraction/extension leg movements. We want the upper body to be stable vertically. The legs should be extending out from and retracting back to the same point. The next thing is to add some forward and backward weight movement along the length of the board. As the board starts to get out from underneath you, your center of balance should be shifting backwards slightly. As the board starts to come back, your center of balance should be shifting forward. One way to think of this that it is a result of board movement. But if you practice consciously shifting your weight forward and back, it will help you. The last thing is board twist. You're not using it as much as you need to for retraction turns.


For weight shift and board twist, my favorite drill is "the stall". You can often see intermediate riders start their turns by kicking the back foot out to the outside of the new turn. For this drill, I want you to do the opposite: finish your turns with a kick of the back foot DOWN the hill. This will cause you to skid and stall out (almost come to a stop). It also causes your weight to shift backwards. To come out of the stall, you need to step hard onto the front foot. That's the weight shift forward. As you do that, step only the front foot onto the new edge. That causes the board to twist along the length of the board. It helps you get the front of the board onto the new edge quicker and with more stability. As this move becomes comfortable, make the stall move more and more subtle and your turns straighter down the fall line (less movement back and forth across the hill) until only your legs move side to side while everything hips and above moves straight down the slope. Once you get the hang of this drill, you'll see how similar it is to riding in the bumps. The transition from this drill to riding the steeps and bumps should be pretty easy. Then you'll need to start planning some trips outside of the Mid-Atlantic to really test yourself. Have you been to Jackson Hole yet? Don't forget to send us the video!


Does this help?

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Rusty I really appreciate your detailed feedback!! I really want to get more quality video for MA this coming season. I have a tough time getting my friends to go on the weekends which in turn makes it difficult to get a lot of video :( the night quality kinda sucks. I think the clips taken from a stationary perspective are the best which require a second person. Do you have any video of the above drills you would be willing to share?




The slight differences in board vs shoulder alignment I see in your riding aren't a bad thing, but you should be aware of what you're doing in different parts of the turns and the plusses and minuses of getting out of alignment at each point. Make a conscious choice instead of an accidental one. 


Can I pick your brain about upper body movement/shoulder arm position? I have been trying to ride with an anticipatory approach - keeping my downhill hand and shoulder ahead of the board. I feel this works pretty well for me by building some tension in my core which makes turn initiation a little quicker. I got this idea from watching these videos and some feedback "Sando" (the guy from the video provided me). 




I really like this guys riding style... I didn't ride bumps much last season - I dont think this approach would be the best for mogul riding. To summarize the approach I have been attempting to make is to have my shoulders out of alignment at the initiation (working to help the new turn) coming into alignment through the control phase and going back out of alignment at the finish (working to help initiate the new turn) What are your thoughts? I have also been trying "emphasis on trying" to raise my back arm and drop my front hand to help keep my shoulders more square with the pitch of the terrain.  I thought I was doing a better job of it until I saw the snowshoe clips which were from mid feb. Its interesting how sometimes what you think is going on isn't just that when you see video.


I really appreciate your feedback on dynamic riding and reducing vertical movement, getting lower, and adding more fore aft. I did my level 1 in jan and was blown away with the riding ability of Ed Staff rider - Joe Jones. He was riding an extremely soft part board, and laying down the most aggressive turns I have ever seen someone do in person. I was amazed at how much twist was easily visible in his riding. 


I have never ridden at jackson hole... but I have ridden steeps and trees in Brighton UT, Scweitzer ID, Mt Spokane, WA and Lookout Pass ID. The hands down best riding experiences of my life. I got the gopro last year, but sadly didn't get any riding in out west... Hopefully this winter. Do you ever make it to Seven Springs or Snowshoe?

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I teach at Whitetail (and that is pretty much the only place in the Mid Atlantic I go to). It's hard to find both free time and someone who can take decent video. If you liked Brighton and Schweitzer, you'll love Jackson. Put in on your list. Actually, since you are level 1 cert ....




beg, borrow, steal - just do it.


I'll respond to shoulder movement/Sando later. I just got off work and I'm burning daylight.

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Here's another drill for you. Stand on a flat board on flat snow. Rotate your shoulders 30 degrees and note if your board rotates and if so how much. It shouldn't, but can you feel any tension in your lower body. Now try to rotate your shoulder 45-60 degrees. Does this cause your board to rotate?  It should, but only at the end of the shoulder rotation. You can also try this drill at home in your socks on the kitchen floor. The moral of the story? Upper body rotation can generate lower body rotation, but only on time delay (e.g. after the first 30-45 degrees of rotation) and not with much control. The faster you travel and the slicker the snow is, the sooner the lower body will release from upper body rotation.


Here's another drill. Hold your arm straight out parallel to the floor with your hand at a 90 degree angle (palm facing directly away from you). Wave your hand by rotating the thumb to point straight down and then back to point the pinky finger straight down. Ouch! Feel any tension? Now try waving again, but this time bend and extend your arm (pull hand in, push hand out) while you are waving. Tension gone? Feel any easier? The same bio mechanics works for turning our feet and legs.


So if you're just riding with your shoulders a little pre twisted, all you are really doing is adding a little tension to your lower body. Do we ride better with or without tension? Now if you're pretwisting in order to decrease the time it takes to "finish" twisting to get a release, that would make sense. If you're pre-twisting in order to get a better view of you heel side blind spot. One could argue that there are more efficient ways to do these things. But if you're making a choice, it is your choice to make. If you're twisting your upper body to help start your turns, well that's your choice too. It's just not a very good choice. (You're not doing that, but on ice you might get that result from this technique).



I like Sando's style. It looks to be especially useful in smallish powdery bumps. It's also an easy thing for intermediates to learn and looks like it could be another way to transition into dynamic carving.

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One more item for rotation. Have you heard of knee pointing? I'm not a fan of it, but it is a technique that helps some riders. The concept is that "pointing" your knees (especially the front knee) can help you steer the board through turns. If you're going to do this, you'll find it easier to do if your shoulders are "pre rotated" before you knee point or if you rotate the shoulders and knee together. This is something else you can experiment with on your kitchen floor.


I want to reemphasize my point that upper body rotation away from the axis of the board is not necessarily bad. From a rider perspective, if it's a conscious choice there is nothing wrong with it. If it is an unconscious choice, it could be a compensation for weakness in other movements. From an instructor perspective, when we see a student's shoulder alignment vary from the board axis we need to determine why it is being done before deciding what to do about it. It is very rare for instructors to make changes in a student's upper body rotation without changing other movement patterns first to make upper body rotation unnecessary.


Caleb - I don't want you to change what you are doing. I'm only encouraging you to experiment with different approaches. Think SNOW!

post #19 of 38
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Rusty thanks a lot for your comments and feedback. I really appreciate it. I look forward to trying out the tension exercise when I get off work this evening. 


I hope I didn't make it sound like, and I hope my riding doesn't reflect using upper body inputs as a primary input of control. My efforts have simply been to use my upper body to help my turning vs hinder it. Thank you though for some new ideas to think about. Have you watched the focus on riding dvd? I don't particularly like that they don't explain specifics of what to look for, but they do hint at stuff. I noticed that the riders who's style I would like to imitate use their front shoulder to help with their toeside initiation. It seems apparent in some of those CASI videos I posted earlier in the thread.


I use my knees a good bit especially on toeside. Something I was really proud of from last season - I was able to drag my knees on some toeside carved turns on steeper pitches. Disclaimer - good snow and I was on my nidecker carving board. I haven't touched on my twin tip. I really dig the drill you mentioned about doing a grab on a heelside carved turn as well. I hope to get some video touching knee next season as it felt really good.


Besides the rider rally do you have any clinics you recommend attending? I am thinking about the carving clinic and the level 200 riding concepts. I am not sure if I have access to the MA clinic with only my level 1.

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As I already said, your upper body rotation is not a point of concern. It's just something to think about and experiment with. You are at that level where you can use help to identify options for evolving your style, as opposed to "fixing" it.


Yes I have the focus DVD. AASI-E has excellent clinicians. Some of them are demo team members. I learn a ton every time I ride with them. Rider Rally has demo team members for clinicians AND big mountain riding. I learn a little more in Rider Rally and have a lot more fun. One thing I've learned from teaching clinics is that you can take the same clinic over and over and still learn new stuff every time. The topic matters less than you might think. Just like we teach lessons, clinic leaders need to tailor their clinics to the needs of who shows up. If you think about it, every clinic is a "how to teach better" and a "how to ride better" clinic no matter what the topic is. 200 level courses are open to all certified members. You can never get enough MA training.

post #22 of 38
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Rusty I have been thinking about your feedback a lot. The delayed board response from your upper body input definitely makes sense. I really like the point you made below


"Arm movements are usually symptoms of lack of other movements vs a cause of riding issues."


I am thinking maybe the arm and shoulder movements I am observing/trying to mimic in these higher level riders are actually just responses to stronger/better/ more correct lower body inputs. I read some of your AASI event recaps on your webpage from your profile. You have had some amazing on snow experiences!!


Do you have the AASI Rocky Mountain Riding Standards DVD? I picked it up last year; I was only able to find it on the PSIA RM website which looks like its under construction now... Hopefully it will be back up soon.




Its pretty amazing you have ridden with national team guys who are on that DVD!

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Glad this is helping.


I don't think I have that DVD, but I vaguely recall seeing a riding standards dvd. Hmm I'll have to check "the pile"...


With respect to riding with the demo team guys, I can relate this quote said to me from Jackson Hole

"We'll go around next time"

Being single and old, I have the time and money to go to these clinics. Alas, the skills do not transfer so quickly. Still, I do steal from the best.

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CASI made some new riding videos




This last clip is so sick!

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one more starts off a little slow



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I really like these vids - very clean turns and nice explanations. 


Someday, I want to ride like Ryan Knapton - his turns are SUPER clean and technically masterful, and the buttering, just amazing.  


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I've seen that last buttering video before, it's pretty amazing.  I'd like to be able to do that, but there's so much stuff to do once I get to the resort, I'm like a kid in a candy store.

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Originally Posted by Wangta View Post

I really like these vids - very clean turns and nice explanations. 


Someday, I want to ride like Ryan Knapton - his turns are SUPER clean and technically masterful, and the buttering, just amazing.  



He has some other youtube videos. I think he is stated in one of the comments he is riding a custom x (really stiff board) which i my opinion makes it even more impressive!

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