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post #61 of 106
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

he was using age as an excuse to not MTB.

 

BTW the real point of this thread was to slam people who think that their 40-50 road miles a week at less than most people's tempo, makes them a 'decent" cyclist. that can MTB with no issues.

 

rossi you sounded realy confindent that I couldnt crack 8:17 at leadville. Ill try if Ill get paid back, because Leadville is not mountain biking. There are dozen(NUE series) harder but more fun races out there.

 

http://usmtb100.com/

 

Lance or any of hte so called heros on here could not win any of these.  Schalk,Pflug,Bishop, Tostado and others will own them at the races that MTBers actually care about.
 

 



Nobody needs any excuse not to mtb....how 'bout they just don't want too. Why would you care?

 

Just because you like it doesn't mean everyone has too. It is very strage how you transfer your choices to what others should be doing.

Can't you simply enjoy it for your self and leave it at that? Life is full of choices....

 

post #62 of 106
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA

 

Lance or any of hte so called heros on here could not win any of these.  Schalk,Pflug,Bishop, Tostado and others will own them at the races that MTBers actually care about.
 

 



You don't know shit!  Have you ever ridden with the guy?  Like him or not, he's an amazing athlete that has the potential to win anytime he get's on any bike.  

post #63 of 106

...couple of different threads running through this, including whether athletes tend to do better at their area of specialty, whether there are certain skills or fitness levels that someone should in general aspire to as a "cyclist," no matter what type of riding they specialize in, and whether certain types of bikes and riding are easier for people with low fitness levels and/or low skill levels.

 

Output-wise, you've got specialized fitness demands in racing that run along a line from BMX racing -- really incredible power -- to bike racers who abuse chemo drugs to keep their bodyweight low.  Those are all bike racers. 

 

Skill-wise, you also go from street bmx, dj, trials, and some types of freeriding, to the demands of riding a road bike.  Riding a road bike does require far fewer bike-handling skills, but nordic racing also requires fewer skills than alpine and if you only ski alpine going out and skate skiing in particular is very humbling. 

 

Most people know someone who is not real adventurous or fit who enjoys XC skiing every now and again, but who doesn't like alpine or telemark or snowboarding. Someone of them have lived in ski towns for a long time, and no one cares that they aren't seen on the lifts.  If they're a cool person, they're still an integral part of the ski town.  There are some people who live in ski towns who only play soccer all winter, that's also cool.

 

XC skiing is not a way, here  at least, to try to display wealth or claim status or style the way some "man-seals" do thru their expensive road bike, yellow jerseys and talk on Monday am about their gnarly rides, so XC doesn't have that irritating component.  You also don't have the ability on XC skis to claim priority over the rest of the population by riding two or three abreast, on places like PCH, while you suck and back up traffic the way people on bikes can do. 

 

Skill-wise, you can look at each type of riding and come up with a list of what someone should be able to do to be "ok."  For road biking, probably more people do come up short on the road bike list, but other than safety and etiquette issues it doesn't necessarily affect anyone else.

 

 

post #64 of 106

"this is a troll post, the funny thing is threads like this and the beef thread get tons of view and response but yet my stoke gets almost none. People would rather bitch about me bitching than stop and take time to see the good...."

 

Maybe it's because your stoke threads aren't as stokey as you might think they are?  Maybe you are somewhat stokey, but not totally stokey... You dig?

post #65 of 106
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Originally Posted by MiRider View Post

 

 

Maybe it's because your stoke threads aren't as stokey as you might think they are?  Maybe you are somewhat stokey, but not totally stokey... You dig?



*now waiting for the Bush you're not a real stoker thread*



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Originally Posted by tromano View Post





40-50 miles per week is maybe riding one day a week. That's pretty casual for a roadie...

 

In all honesty I thought he was going for the 150-300 mileweekers aka the 8K-10K per year set.    Who do, in fact, often have really ridiculous weaknesses like

not being able to make a turn without braking first,

not being able to pedal through a turn,

not being able to roll through on a wheelchair overpass/bridge with a hairpin in it without putting a foot down,

not being able to keep a  bike stable on a handlebar-wide path let alone a tire-wide path

not being able to hold a line in a turn without diving in or having the front wheel skip out

not being able to stand up from the saddle without backing off their leader's wheel (the backwards pump)

all of which skillz can,  in fact, be better learned by riding MTB.
 

 

post #66 of 106

^^^ true, but they can also be learned well in a driveway on your road bike.

post #67 of 106
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Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post





You don't know shit!  Have you ever ridden with the guy?  Like him or not, he's an amazing athlete that has the potential to win anytime he get's on any bike.  



there is a reason he is targeting leadville, and the other guys do not target leadville at all.

 

Leadville in the minds of MTBers is not a MTB race.

post #68 of 106
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Originally Posted by CTKook View Post

but they can also be learned well in a driveway on your road bike.



There is always the dedicated exception to the general run of  mediocre unmotivated self-flatterers.

 

 

Of course, if one doesn't want to become the dictionary picture under 'Calvinist work ethic', mtb is more fun.

post #69 of 106

It's not my age that keeps me from MTBing, it's the injuries that I've sustained to date, the probability of being injured while MTBing, and the opportunity cost of losing time to training as a result of being injured.  My miles are a lot more than 50/week, more like 200/week. 

 

Bush, I realize that you think the Schlecks, Lepiheimer, and Armstrong are all posers in MTBing.  How about Evans?  And with regards to Armstrong, don't you think it took a bit of skill to do this?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtZhG2kWVLY&feature=player_embedded

 

Mike

post #70 of 106
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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post

It's not my age that keeps me from MTBing, it's the injuries that I've sustained to date, the probability of being injured while MTBing, and the opportunity cost of losing time to training as a result of being injured.  My miles are a lot more than 50/week, more like 200/week. 

 

Bush, I realize that you think the Schlecks, Lepiheimer, and Armstrong are all posers in MTBing.  How about Evans?  And with regards to Armstrong, don't you think it took a bit of skill to do this?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtZhG2kWVLY&feature=player_embedded

 

Mike


 


I do not think that is all that skillfull, for armstrong. He would argee with that. Anyone who MTBs could easily do that on a road bike at the speed he was at. The real incredible thing was his reaction time and quick thinking to just go into the grass once in the grass really not that impressive.  Even the average pro would have been down but Lance has had tons of MTB/cross experience.

 

 

BTW i have given Lance and Levi both props on there MTB skills but still contend if they want to actually be respected MTBs they would have to do a NUE series race, and not Leadville.

 

post #71 of 106

How about Evans?

post #72 of 106
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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post

How about Evans?


I really do not know. clearly he has the most MTB skills of any of them, and potentially the largest (clean) motor. again the thread was a not targeting people like Evans who is a complete all around cyclist. Maybe the most complete of all time.

 

I would still love for him to show up to a NUE race and see what happens. Floyd showed up and did not win, he lost to people that you probably never have heard of Jeff Schalck and Harlan Price.

 

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http://www.mountaintouring.com/htm/shenandoah_mountain_100/page_sm100.htm

 

 

 

post #73 of 106
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post




I really do not know. clearly he has the most MTB skills of any of them, and potentially the largest (clean) motor. again the thread was a not targeting people like Evans who is a complete all around cyclist. Maybe the most complete of all time.

 

I would still love for him to show up to a NUE race and see what happens. Floyd showed up and did not win, he lost to people that you probably never have heard of Jeff Schalck and Harlan Price.

 

227797_1017266827350_1095498252_1491095_6942_n.jpg

 

http://www.mountaintouring.com/htm/shenandoah_mountain_100/page_sm100.htm

 

 

 

 

 

more results.

 

http://usmtb100.com/08race1.html


 

 

post #74 of 106

Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

Leadville is laughable from a tech stand point. Its a road race on gravel.

 

 

 

It is apparent that you have never ridden Leadville.

post #75 of 106

 

 

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BTW i have given Lance and Levi both props on there MTB skills but still contend if they want to actually be respected MTBs they would have to do a NUE series race, and not Leadville. 

 

Bush, you ought to spout off less, when you don't know what you're talking about.  Armstrong has done lots of mtb races.  He knocked Steve Larsen out of national tilte one year.  Here's a quick google result ---6th in the NORBA finals.  Would that qualify for respect, or are you out of his league?

 

 

August 20/99 6:16 am - Green takes Norba Final XC!


Posted by Editor on 08/20/99
 

Mount Snow, Norba Final

Cross Country

Women
1. Alison Dunlap (USA) GT 1:45:01
2. Mary Grigson (Aus) AIS at 0:11
3. Ruthie Matthes (USA) Trek-Volkswagen 0:25
4. Chrissy Redden (Can) Ritchey-Yahoo! 0:38
5. Shari Kain (USA) RLX Polo Sport 1:47
6. Jimena Florit-Juarez (Arg) RLX Polo Sport 1:47
7. Golden Brainard (USA) Catera 3:57
8. Ann Grande (USA) 4:12
9. Melanie Dorion (Can) Ford-Devinci 5:15
10. Ann Trombley (USA) Airborne-Kore 5:17

Men
1. Roland Green (Can) GT 2:12:08
2. Travis Brown (USA) Trek-Volkswagen at 0:49
3. Luke Stockwell (Aus) Qranc-SRAM 1:15
4. Geoff Kabush (Can) Kona Factory 2:28
5. Jimi Killen (USA) Diamondback 2:53
6. Lance Armstrong (USA) Trek-Volkswagen 3:27
7. Ryder Hesjedal (Can) Fisher U-Saab 4:08
8. Jess Swiggers (USA) Fisher U-Saab 4:09
9. Steve Larsen (USA) L.L. Bean-Mongoose 4:47
10. Tinker Juarez (USA) Volvo-Cannondale 5:02

 

post #76 of 106
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Originally Posted by TrickySr. View Post

Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

Leadville is laughable from a tech stand point. Its a road race on gravel.

 

 

 

It is apparent that you have never ridden Leadville.


no desire to either unless someone pays me.  I guess you have, lets hear you experience?

 

 

 

post #77 of 106

You know, it sure does look like there are a lot of people putting words in BS's mouth. He said if you can't ride easy singletrack you are not a cyclist. He never said anything about Lance, Levi, etc., who clearly can ride easy singletrack.

 

He is right about one thing for sure, these sorts of threads sure do get a lot of hits.

post #78 of 106

Ah, it's all good entertainment.  Better than sitting at work staring at the computer screen (oh, that's what I'm doing).

 

Today's ride is in the bag.  A short one, as I had to get to work, but good:  23.3 mph average.  My knee is rehabing...

 

Tomorrow, I think I'll go over the top from Lefthand Canyon through Ward.  About 95 miles.  Too bad I'm a wimp; if I weren't, I ride singletrack instead.

 

Mike

post #79 of 106
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

 

Ill go try leadville if this can happen.

 

If I get within 2 hour of levi's record time, YOU pay for my entry, travel expenses, for leadville and one of the qualifier in plus 1000 dollars for running such a bullshit race.  Ill do t if you agree to that. Really not Bullshit. I do not post Bullshit. If you or anyone wants to make a 2 hour with in's Levi time bet Ill go.

 

8:16 would not be that hard at Leadville.



The results are in, and 8:16 would put you 111th out of 1276, up with some national age group Xterra champions, and the woman who dominated 24 hours of Moab.  And you are still what, a Cat 4 rider?  Live at low altitude?

 

You might do it if you work at it.  Let's up the bet---if you don't do it, you either leave the board or learn to stop boasting, perhaps submit to an editor.  I'll go in on that pool.

 

post #80 of 106
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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post





The results are in, and 8:16 would put you 111th out of 1276, up with some national age group Xterra champions, and the woman who dominated 24 hours of Moab.  And you are still what, a Cat 4 rider?  Live at low altitude?

 

You might do it if you work at it.  Let's up the bet---if you don't do it, you either leave the board or learn to stop boasting, perhaps submit to an editor.  I'll go in on that pool.

 

 

as soon as there enough to pay the way, youll see me try. I ll leave the board as well if I do not get it.

 

Again not BS if people are willing to compensate me for a sub 8:16 Ill be trying to do it.  Ill still be a cat 4 road rider I am sure of it as well...

 


Edited by BushwackerinPA - 8/14/11 at 4:32pm
post #81 of 106

Just to be fair, the bet should be two hours off of winning time. For all we know, it could be raining the whole time or killer headwinds or whatever.

post #82 of 106

Geez guys, you sure give Bush a hard time.  Sure, he deserves a bit of it, but this place would be a lot less interesting without him.

 

Mike

post #83 of 106

I wonder if Cadel Evans will chime in on this thread.

 

Anyway, Bush, this is a strange soap box--So a couple of guys showed up at Stowe (or waterbury, or...where do you ride? I assume somewhere in Northern, VT...love the riding up there btw), asked you for advice and didn't turn out to be good riders.  I do some guiding and a lot of advising to mountain biking visitors in my region and I run into to this once in a while as well.  It's no big deal, some folks just don't have the experience yet to garner a real point of reference. 

 

My thought is, so what?  They weren't good riders, sounds unlikely that they were strong road riders either.   What message and to whom are you trying to get across posting this on epic ski?  Yep, some guys at tourist bike destinations ain't such good riders.  And this is news how?

 

The roadie v mountain biker thing is a little high-schoolish, don't you think.  I don't road ride very often, but when I go out with a strong group of roadies I get what drives them and it certainly can be called 'real cycling!'.

 

We have a pretty good event down here in Western, MA called the D2R2 in two weeks...a dirt road randonee through hilly western Ma and southern VT....C'mon out and ride the long course (114 miles, 16,900 ft of climbing and descending on steep, rugged old mountain dirt roads)-I don't care who you are or what your preferred discipline is, when you're done (if you finish) you'll feel like you were involved in some 'real cycling.'  Seriously, it's a great event (there are 3 shorter options as well---all pretty challenging, scenic, and impressive).  Check it out, real cyclists only, of course:  http://www.franklinlandtrust.org/d2r2_cue_sheets.htm

 

post #84 of 106

I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that was mostly the result of titling the thread "Roadies are not cyclist[s]". People aren't exactly going to out of their way to exercise superior reading comprehension skills once you bait 'em with that. :)
 

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Originally Posted by epic View Post

You know, it sure does look like there are a lot of people putting words in BS's mouth. He said if you can't ride easy singletrack you are not a cyclist. He never said anything about Lance, Levi, etc., who clearly can ride easy singletrack.

 

He is right about one thing for sure, these sorts of threads sure do get a lot of hits.



 

post #85 of 106
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Originally Posted by Liam View Post

I wonder if Cadel Evans will chime in on this thread.

 

 



 

Doubt it, too busy catching up with family and going for a surf at Bell Beach.  Then he gets back on his pretend bike and does it all again.

post #86 of 106
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Originally Posted by epic View Post

You know, it sure does look like there are a lot of people putting words in BS's mouth.  He never said anything about Lance, Levi, etc., .

.


 

Actually, he dropped this gem:

 

 

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Lance or any of hte so called heros on here could not win any of these.  Schalk,Pflug,Bishop, Tostado and others will own them at the races that MTBers actually care about.
 

 

Without knowing that Lance has been in the top of several races "MTBers" really care about, such as the Norba nationals.  We're just trying to educate the lad.
 

post #87 of 106

I haven't ridden my bike much at all this year...  I'm at like 900 miles for the season, which is about 4 times less than I usually have at this point.  Been too busy hiking. 

 

For what it's worth, I've never been on a MTB in my life; was always a roadie.  I'd like to think that dodging potholes and avoiding getting smushed by Bawstin Dwyvahs (*) has given me pretty decent bike handling skills though.  *shrug*.  But, yeah, this particular roadie hasn't been much of a cyclist this year, so I guess Josh is right -- roadies aren't cyclists.  smile.gif

 

The sad thing is that I don't even miss my bike.  frown.gif

 

(*) Boston Drivers for those of you who believe that Boston has two "o"'s and Harvard has two "r"'s.  wink.gif

post #88 of 106



 

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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post

Geez guys, you sure give Bush a hard time.  Sure, he deserves a bit of it, but this place would be a lot less interesting without him.

 

Mike



Mike, you ol'softee...

 

He deserves every bit of it.!

 

Less "interesting"? No, I think it should read less IRRITATING without him yahoo.gif

 

 

 

post #89 of 106



 

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Originally Posted by Liam View Post

I wonder if Cadel Evans will chime in on this thread.

 

Anyway, Bush, this is a strange soap box--So a couple of guys showed up at Stowe (or waterbury, or...where do you ride? I assume somewhere in Northern, VT...love the riding up there btw), asked you for advice and didn't turn out to be good riders.  I do some guiding and a lot of advising to mountain biking visitors in my region and I run into to this once in a while as well.  It's no big deal, some folks just don't have the experience yet to garner a real point of reference. 

 

My thought is, so what?  They weren't good riders, sounds unlikely that they were strong road riders either.   What message and to whom are you trying to get across posting this on epic ski?  Yep, some guys at tourist bike destinations ain't such good riders.  And this is news how?

 

The roadie v mountain biker thing is a little high-schoolish, don't you think.  I don't road ride very often, but when I go out with a strong group of roadies I get what drives them and it certainly can be called 'real cycling!'.

 

We have a pretty good event down here in Western, MA called the D2R2 in two weeks...a dirt road randonee through hilly western Ma and southern VT....C'mon out and ride the long course (114 miles, 16,900 ft of climbing and descending on steep, rugged old mountain dirt roads)-I don't care who you are or what your preferred discipline is, when you're done (if you finish) you'll feel like you were involved in some 'real cycling.'  Seriously, it's a great event (there are 3 shorter options as well---all pretty challenging, scenic, and impressive).  Check it out, real cyclists only, of course:  http://www.franklinlandtrust.org/d2r2_cue_sheets.htm

 



here's the profile for anyone interested....

 

d2r2_cue_sheet1[1].gif

 

 

 

post #90 of 106
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Originally Posted by Liam View Post

I wonder if Cadel Evans will chime in on this thread.

 

Anyway, Bush, this is a strange soap box--So a couple of guys showed up at Stowe (or waterbury, or...where do you ride? I assume somewhere in Northern, VT...love the riding up there btw), asked you for advice and didn't turn out to be good riders.  I do some guiding and a lot of advising to mountain biking visitors in my region and I run into to this once in a while as well.  It's no big deal, some folks just don't have the experience yet to garner a real point of reference. 

 

My thought is, so what?  They weren't good riders, sounds unlikely that they were strong road riders either.   What message and to whom are you trying to get across posting this on epic ski?  Yep, some guys at tourist bike destinations ain't such good riders.  And this is news how?

 

The roadie v mountain biker thing is a little high-schoolish, don't you think.  I don't road ride very often, but when I go out with a strong group of roadies I get what drives them and it certainly can be called 'real cycling!'.

 

We have a pretty good event down here in Western, MA called the D2R2 in two weeks...a dirt road randonee through hilly western Ma and southern VT....C'mon out and ride the long course (114 miles, 16,900 ft of climbing and descending on steep, rugged old mountain dirt roads)-I don't care who you are or what your preferred discipline is, when you're done (if you finish) you'll feel like you were involved in some 'real cycling.'  Seriously, it's a great event (there are 3 shorter options as well---all pretty challenging, scenic, and impressive).  Check it out, real cyclists only, of course:  http://www.franklinlandtrust.org/d2r2_cue_sheets.htm

 




I really want to go to this ride.....

 

...but its 100 bucks and since its not a race there is no hope of winning my money back.

 

there is a 6 hour MTB race alittle closer to home, first year event just hoping some people show up to it. 50 bucks with a chance of winning some money back..

 

http://www.bikereg.com/events/register.asp?eventid=13777.

 

BTW this is the only saturday or sunday I have off in the entire month of august, I am normally guiding/teaching on the weekends.

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