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Originally Posted by Do Work View Post

 

I ski, work and live at a hill that has a 100% open uphill policy. ...There has never been an incident with it.  ... we've never had a problem. 


That you're aware of.

 

Just to continue with some of the issues presented by people skinning uphill at a resort, let me post a few.  My local ski area allows uphill skinning, and I fully support that but...people, as well as their dogs*, have gotten in the way of, and nearly hit by groomers.  People have skinned up (and skied down) through closed areas interfering with avy control, and have skinned/skied through snowmaking operations and over the lines - skiing over the highly pressurized lines can cause them to rupture with disastrous consequences.  Along with traffic.collision concerns, I can see why some resorts might want to disallow skinning.  

*Though it's not directly related, people skinning hereabouts often bring their dogs who bother other people and employees and shit on the trails.  At the local ski area a skinner's dog bit an employee and now all dogs have to be on a six ft leash, which is routinely ignored and takes up more of the patrol's time because they have to try to enforce this.  

So let's just recognize that uphill skinning at a resort isn't impact-free.  

 

post #32 of 49

 

The only uphill traffic I've seen at lift served resorts around here is people trudging up to retrieve yard sale items.  Thinking about the possibility of free heelers carefully hiking up the side of groomed trails seems benign as long as they stay to the far sides of the trails.  I think I would probably welcome them by

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spraying them as often as possible while skiing in the proper directiondevil.gif

post #33 of 49

Sorry dav, I'm not feeling your inability to avoid a skier traversing across a steep slope. Who's more dangerous, a bicycle messenger with an old rush in his bag or a pedestrian in the crosswalk?

 

Bob Lee, I can see how it complicates things. A ski resort is a big machine and getting in the way of grooming, snowmaking and avalanche control operations is not cool. Skiing uphill or downhill before the ski area is open should be against the rules for these reasons.

 

I'm not into dogs on the trails. That's not cool.

 

People who bite skiers and/or shit on the trails should be banned too.

 

Whether the pedestrian continues confident in his right of way or suddenly lurches backwards, the messenger must have control of his speed and his ability to turn or stop to avoid collision. If you wish to ski in a manner that compromises you ability to avoid a gaper traversing, please take your rad self beyond the ski area boundaries.

 

To quote many, "Why would you want to do that inbounds, when you could do it anywhere?"

post #34 of 49

 

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...People who bite skiers and/or shit on the trails should be banned too.

 

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post #35 of 49
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

 

The only uphill traffic I've seen at lift served resorts around here is people trudging up to retrieve yard sale items.  Thinking about the possibility of free heelers carefully hiking up the side of groomed trails seems benign as long as they stay to the far sides of the trails.  I think I would probably welcome them by

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spraying them as often as possible while skiing in the proper directiondevil.gif


Didn't you hike above the lifts at Sugar Mountain?

post #36 of 49
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Didn't you hike above the lifts at Sugar Mountain?


No, but I skated up a bit beyond where the WROD lift made us get off last December.  The summit of Sugar is lift served when the mountain is 100% open.

 

 

P.S.  I did hike for turns on that Mountain Board yesterday..yahoo.gif


Edited by crgildart - 8/9/11 at 3:25pm
post #37 of 49

TR, I don't feel your need to be simple.

 

And I never said couldn't avoid slow traversing traffic ; I said shouldn't be expected to at a ski resort, as I recall, and noted why in unrestricted areas (speed and shaky eyeballs). does skiing 50+ years without hitting anyone not clear me of your b.s. assertions?

 

and your analogy sucks, as there is no crosswalk or parallel phenomena on the mountain; and a rider with the skills of a messenger is most often no danger to anyone, as is a strong skier.

 

When you talk about places like Sugar mountain, I feel it and get it. be there and be happy.

post #38 of 49
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When you talk about places like Sugar mountain, I feel it and get it. be there and be happy.



FWIW, Sugar is the second highest lift served elevation East of the Mississippi.  Beech on the other side of town is #1.  It ain't Squaw, but we don't have the nonono2.gifSqwnobs like you there either. 

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Always very happy there indeedcool.gif

 

carry on


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post #43 of 49

Of course skiers should ski slowly enough to avoid other skiers and obstacles in their path.  A resort should also have runs where that "slow enough" speed is very fast.  A means to achieving same is clear labeling of the run as a black diamond run, providing a clear line of site for a great distance, and ensuring that the run is not beset by Volkswagen beetle like moguls, ski schools traversing in a chain 20 skiers long, and people skinning up the middle of the run.

post #44 of 49
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

 


That you're aware of.

 

Just to continue with some of the issues presented by people skinning uphill at a resort, let me post a few.  My local ski area allows uphill skinning, and I fully support that but...people, as well as their dogs*, have gotten in the way of, and nearly hit by groomers.  People have skinned up (and skied down) through closed areas interfering with avy control, and have skinned/skied through snowmaking operations and over the lines - skiing over the highly pressurized lines can cause them to rupture with disastrous consequences.  Along with traffic.collision concerns, I can see why some resorts might want to disallow skinning.  

*Though it's not directly related, people skinning hereabouts often bring their dogs who bother other people and employees and shit on the trails.  At the local ski area a skinner's dog bit an employee and now all dogs have to be on a six ft leash, which is routinely ignored and takes up more of the patrol's time because they have to try to enforce this.  

So let's just recognize that uphill skinning at a resort isn't impact-free.  

 



No, there has never been an actual incident.  I've asked as it was a topic of debate in the topshack last season. 

 

I fully recognize that it adds more factors for concern.  This is simple math and of course every action has an equal but opposite problem it creates ;)  

 

I would venture to say that resorts with an open uphill policy would do well to make a large sign with some rules.  Dogs must be on leash if your resort is large and busy enough.  Routes are predetermined and uphill traffic MUST adhere to them if there's avi terrain or you've been witnessing too much ignorance in regards to route selection.  Heck, establish one through a special separate scenic area or lookout far from the trails if you want to.  That way it mixes a different element of adventure/exploration of the hill with the desired outcome- to end up at the top safely and while minimizing risk.   

 

So sure, there are dangers and inconveniences that go along with it but the same is true with skiing.  I find that most people doing it wrong are just doing it out of ignorance and would gladly adhere to rules if there were any.  I'd do my damndest to make it a fruitful and inclusive program that allows customers or enthusiasts/athletes to enjoy the mountain in another way and maybe even teach some etiquette and safety basics in the process.  Maybe it's because I like to skin or maybe it's because I will always try to figure out a way to make something like that happen rather than try to find a reason to shoot it down but I would love to see more resorts give the option to go uphill under your own power.  Certainly there will be entitled idiots, but let's not let our concern for a small group of ill informed and self important people ruin the potential for so many to enjoy the mountain in a healthy and productive way.  I'm positive we're smart and creative enough to come up with ways to make it work for everyone.   

post #45 of 49

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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

And your reply shows that you know nothing about bike messengers. They are as stupid as you are.



Dear telerod15. I am not involved in the discussion on this thread but would like to ask you to please consider a different tone as this is certainly not the way I would like to be treated.

Thank you for your consideration.

Dirk

 

 

post #46 of 49

I have seen XC skiers climbing the groomed runs and even a guy riding his pugsley up the groomers at beaver moutnain while I was practicing my carving skills last year. They also alow para gliding and "ski bikes". If people come and skin up with dogs and they shit all over the slopes and don't clean it up, expect a ban. If people skin up and ski down like a dumb ass and crah causing injury or damage to property, expect a ban. No one needs to tell you not to do this stuff.


Edited by tromano - 8/10/11 at 9:09am
post #47 of 49

My experience is solely with San Francisco bike messengers. some ride track bikes on the the hills of the City. amazing stuff. some are racers.  some have a PHD. they are awesome cyclists and have to be reasonably clever to just survive. not a reply to TR, but praise for messengers, a true counter-culture group of amazing athletes.

 

uphill skiing with a lot of rules could work, unless you're a ski patrol and find it extra bunko duty to enforce them. by and large, I would expect it to be a smart and co-operative group of skiers, and once informed, no trouble at all. but I could be way wrong. I still maintain, it is not appropriate to ask skiers to watch out  for this group, even if they are given the go ahead; it's really too much distraction and danger if they are anywhere on the ski hill that people ski down, including, and especially, on the very side or edge of the trail or piste, next to the forest.

post #48 of 49

And it could get really messy if this catches on.....

 

http://vimeo.com/troyhartman/jetpackskiing

 

 

post #49 of 49

This is the most interesting thread I've read yet. Thanks all!

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