Originally Posted by jhcooley
I'll start by making the claim that, if you can ski well, you can ski bumps - not necessarily WC style, just smoothly, in control, in balance, as slowly as you want, and you do it with the same fundamentals you use on groomers. Why is this idea ridiculous?
Of course, one could also point out that high jump, 10K and hurdles also enjoy many common fundamentals.
Hmm. Not so sure the best analogy but I like it cuz I can trip down memory lane. Used to compete in high jump (truly mediocre) and later, 10K through X-country (decent). No hurdles, that was the wife. But yep some basics shared. Mainly balance, mental focus, and efficient biomechanics (obviously details differ by specific event) But if you move your body inefficiently, past say junior high level, you lose...
Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA
My short radius retraction turns on groomers are pretty much the same everywhere. Its only how I tactically(IE I might use deflection, or even do the retraction in mid air) apply them to the hill off trail that they differ.
Second sentence nails it. Good skiing - anywhere - shares a focus on tactics. If you're still thinking about mechanics, or precision, or which turn to choose, or finding a perfect line, you're like me. Sigh.
Once played tennis with a B-level pro friend. She said I had a near pro level forehand. And then proceeded to reduce me to a panting heap, 6's and 0's. I may have won one or two points the entire match. "I like your forehand," she repeated. "But you need to stop thinking about how good it feels to hit it and worry about how I'm moving you over to your backhand every time I'm not just wrong-footing you." Sigh.
Originally Posted by davluri
Looking down a groomer, many skiers are not seeing exactly where they are going to turn, considering snow condition, terrain, surface etc. It is not necessary to execute the turns that precisely.
Looking down a bump line, a skilled skier will be seeing exactly where every turn will be made, looking ahead several bumps as she skis.
That is the fundamental difference: seeing and thinking. I'd go as far as to say: if you don't see it, you can't ski it.
Share the sentiment about seeing and thinking (common to all sports), but can't make sense about the distinction between precise turns on groomers and in bumps. Do you mean, changing your line in midstream? A good skier will do that wherever they ski. In fact, I'd say the better the skier, the more they can make it up as they go in bumps. Carefully planned and followed lines IME are for high intermediates - who will inevitably crash and burn when the bumps don't cooperate - or competitors on mathematically perfect bump fields who are mainly worried about style points and big aerials. I mean seriously, how often can we even see a bump line more than two turns ahead, and even if you do, are you gonna be surprised when you discover it's a bit different up close? Or has taken up with a strange skier, not even bothering to say goodbye?
Or if you mean, margin for error, an intermediate may stagger/skid through a badly executed turn on a smooth groomer, get spanked in bumps for the same ineptitude. OK, some truth there. But I think that's what segbrown, BWPA, others have been saying all along.
The only place I'd disagree is if the skier avoids bumps for other reasons, like say being too old to like the pounding. But then again, I once followed - at a discrete distance - Stein Eriksen down a bumpfield (he sang and chatted with friends, no apparent concern for line, I fibrillated) when he was in his 60's, and he didn't seem to be avoiding much of anything. Flowed down like water. So I just falsified myself.
And as far as whether a "real" skier could be competitive racing, I'm not whatever that means, but I also don't noodle or skid or whatever other adjectives you used. All I'm gonna win is a trip to the jacuzzi. I run gates, and crash sometimes, to become a better recreational skier, but I use the same basic movements I'd use anywhere. I'm not understanding the idea that racers use a unique set of mechanics, so a "real skier" wouldn't be able to be competitive. Jon Olsson may provide a good test case here, perhaps? Am I not getting your argument?
Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA
a real skier would not do bad at running gate though. They might not be WC fast but someone who knows skiing would figure it out.
curious how old are you?
Share the curiosity.
Edited by beyond - 8/5/11 at 1:00am