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Kendo or Mantra for West Coast (BC)?

post #1 of 24
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Hi all,

 

Looking for a new ski and I have narrowed it down to either a Volkl Mantra or the Volkl Kendo and am trying to buy them now so save some major money but I am having issues finding the Mantra but I can get the 2011 Kendo no problem unless I want to wait for the 2012 Mantra.

 

Is would the Kendo be good for places in BC like Banff, Fernie, Kicking Horse or would the Mantra be alot better? Never tried either ski but trying to save $300+ by buying the ski now. Most skiing would be off piste, bowls but the ski also has to be good on the groomers for the bottom of the hill

 

Also if there is a ski that I am not aware of that is good for what I am looking for please let me know.

 

Thanks

post #2 of 24

Both are good.  If you're only going to have one ski, I'd lean towards the mantra for west coast snow, especially since you said you'll mostly be off piste.  Although I do think the kendo is *significantly* better on groomers and doesn't feel nearly as heavy.  If you think you may end up with a quiver, get the kendo and then something over 100mm for powder days.

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Also if there is a ski that I am not aware of that is good for what I am looking for please let me know.

 

Thanks


(warning: Snarky comment ahead)  there are dozens of ski brands that make great product not named 'Volkl'.

 

I would say that you are on the wrong track with the Kendo and the Mantra isn't much better. Off Piste skiing in BC would indicate, to me anyway, a wider ski that can still handle a little groomer-action. The two Volkl's are pretty good on groomers and can handle mixed snow conditions well, but they aren't great in powder and frankly aren't great on groomers. They are both 'compromise' skis. What you seem to be looking for is a ski that is great off piste and can get you to the bottom also, not a good all around ski that may see time on groomers and some time off trail (OK, seems like a slight difference in semantics but it's really not).

 

post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
(warning: Snarky comment ahead)  there are dozens of ski brands that make great product not named 'Volkl'.

I would say that you are on the wrong track with the Kendo and the Mantra isn't much better. Off Piste skiing in BC would indicate, to me anyway, a wider ski that can still handle a little groomer-action. The two Volkl's are pretty good on groomers and can handle mixed snow conditions well, but they aren't great in powder and frankly aren't great on groomers. They are both 'compromise' skis. What you seem to be looking for is a ski that is great off piste and can get you to the bottom also, not a good all around ski that may see time on groomers and some time off trail (OK, seems like a slight difference in semantics but it's really not).

 

 

 


 

 

Can you suggest a ski then that would better fit my bill? I have been looking for a few weeks and reading reviews and people say the Mantra is good off trail.

 

I am looking for a ski that would be good when I don't go down the groomed runs. I currently live in the east but in 3 weeks time am moving to the west. I can handle mostly everything at Mt Tremblant which included the double diamond glades etc. I am 6" and 252 pounds and have skiied since age 3 and am 28 now. Since I am moving to the BC Rockies, I want to switch my skiing to in the trees and anything not on groomed runs the plan for powder specific skis is next year.

 

Is the Mantra too narrow and I need something wider or what specifically should I be looking for? I am pretty new to all this skiing technology (mid fats) etc and my current skis are 73" waist but I am learning so bare with me. Also, I am not only looking at Volkl. I am not brand specific and want something which is great and a reasonable price.

 

Again, I would love to demo but I wanna buy now (used preferably) to save some money.
 

post #5 of 24
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Can you suggest a ski then that would better fit my bill? I have been looking for a few weeks and reading reviews and people say the Mantra is good off trail.

 

I am looking for a ski that would be good when I don't go down the groomed runs. I currently live in the east but in 3 weeks time am moving to the west. I can handle mostly everything at Mt Tremblant which included the double diamond glades etc. I am 6" and 252 pounds and have skiied since age 3 and am 28 now. Since I am moving to the BC Rockies, I want to switch my skiing to in the trees and anything not on groomed runs the plan for powder specific skis is next year.

 

Is the Mantra too narrow and I need something wider or what specifically should I be looking for? I am pretty new to all this skiing technology (mid fats) etc and my current skis are 73" waist but I am learning so bare with me. Also, I am not only looking at Volkl. I am not brand specific and want something which is great and a reasonable price.

 

Again, I would love to demo but I wanna buy now (used preferably) to save some money.
 

Personally I would look in the 98 to 105 waist range. I think you'll quickly find how skiiable a wider ski is as a daily driver once you make the move.
 

 

post #6 of 24
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Personally I would look in the 98 to 105 waist range. I think you'll quickly find how skiiable a wider ski is as a daily driver once you make the move.
 

 


Any specific brand names to look at which make a solid ski?

 

post #7 of 24

Just a a couple of notes.  

 

It seems like some posters have confused BC (British Columbia) with BC (backcountry).  The OP said he was moving to BC, not looking to ski backcountry.

 

And for the OP, make sure you get your geography straight so you won't feel foolish when you say you want to go places in BC like Banff, since it's in Alberta.

 

I agree that a ski around 100 is a great all around width.

post #8 of 24

Based on your size, I take back my previous comments. I agree you should definitely get something wider... closer to the 100mm range - maybe 98mm since there are a lot of good options at that size.

post #9 of 24
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Just a a couple of notes.  

 

It seems like some posters have confused BC (British Columbia) with BC (backcountry).  The OP said he was moving to BC, not looking to ski backcountry.

 

And for the OP, make sure you get your geography straight so you won't feel foolish when you say you want to go places in BC like Banff, since it's in Alberta.

 

I agree that a ski around 100 is a great all around width.


I didn't even think of that so thank you for pointing it out my abbreviation mistakes as well as other mis-understandings.


To make things clear. I will be near Radium Hot Springs, British Columbia which is about 45 minutes from Panorama, BC and 1.25 hour from Kicking Horse, BC, 1.5 hour from Fernie, BC and about an hour from Banff, Alberta (that's why I thought I should mention Banff)

I am looking for a ski which can ski ok on the groomer and quite well off-piste. I will be looking for runs where the groomer doesn't go as much as possible and want a ski that is better suited for these types of terrain.

A few weeks ago when I started looking, I was looking at a 85mm waist, now I am looking at a 96mm waist and seems like I need to go bigger and not sure which manufacture to look at. I have searched alot and it seems like everybody has a different opinion and there is no specific good brand/model that most can agree on.

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Based on your size, I take back my previous comments. I agree you should definitely get something wider... closer to the 100mm range - maybe 98mm since there are a lot of good options at that size.


Is there major difference from 98mm to 100 mm other then 2 mm?
post #10 of 24

2 mm in width is not a major difference (I don't think its even a minor one).  Check out Fischer Watea's (the 98 and 101 underfoot ones), the Salomon Shogun, and given some Epic folks' current love affair with Blizzard, someone will say wait until 2012 for a Bonafide (but not me).  And if you are interested in the Shogun, PM me as I have a lightly used pair in your size. 

post #11 of 24
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Thanks I shall look into those. I also noticed the prophet 100's and am reading alot and trying to find reviews for skis. Alot of people are comparing the Shoguns to Mantras saing "just go with the Mantra" in the comparisons I am reading.

I will look at some Blizzards now and see what they have. Thanks as now I have more to learn.
post #12 of 24

You might want to take a look at some of the ``boutique'' ski makers such as Moment, Praxis, ON3P, PM Gear, Bluehouse, SkLogik, DPS, Icelantic, etc.

Some of them are discounting last year's models, or discounting next season's in pre-sales, and some of their dealers are offering discounts. And they all have models that would suit you. That's not to say ignore the big brands, just that you don't seem to have explored the current universe of ski choices very much (which maybe is a good thing in terms of simplifying life!).

You don't need to rush. There will be plenty of great skis for your purpose available at decent prices even after the lifts start spinning. Spend some time here and on other forums and read reviews, check prices at online retailers, visit local shops now and when you move west, PM people on forums who have posted on skis that interest you -- you'll be surprised at how much info is out there to help you make a good choice. 

post #13 of 24

No... I was just saying to not rule out 98mm since there's basically no difference between the two and there's a lot of good models of that size, so no need to limit your search to >100mm is all.
 

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Is there major difference from 98mm to 100 mm other then 2 mm?


 

post #14 of 24
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Any specific brand names to look at which make a solid ski?

 

I am biased. But here are some ripping ski's made in the USA for great prices. Stiffer layup than most for manly men like yourself.

 

http://on3pskis.myshopify.com/collections/2010-2011skis/products/vicik

 

If I were looking for ski's this year I would be hot for the Line Prophet 98, and the Influence 105.

 

As well as Blizzard's lineup.
 

 

post #15 of 24
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I am biased. But here are some ripping ski's made in the USA for great prices. Stiffer layup than most for manly men like yourself.

 

http://on3pskis.myshopify.com/collections/2010-2011skis/products/vicik

 

If I were looking for ski's this year I would be hot for the Line Prophet 98, and the Influence 105.

 

As well as Blizzard's lineup.
 

 


Thanks I will check out those skis. As of right now I am interested in the Salomon Shogun, Influence 105 and the Blizzard Cochise. Basically whatever I can get for the best price is the route I am going to take. I think I am looking too much into what ski I should get but assuming it's a fat ski, I think I should do ok. Some of these skis can be had for around $550 right now and then throw in a decent binding and I think I will be set and save atleast 30% as compared to buying at the beginning of the ski season.

Thanks and I will keep on reading and researching!
post #16 of 24

I would look at the Blizzard Cochise, Liberty Helix(rockered version), Line Influence 105, and Faction Alias/Agent.  I'm 5'11"/195, and I'm looking at those for my "skinny" ski.

 

My everyday ski for Kicking Horse is a 191 Faction 3.Zero.

post #17 of 24

http://mntlion.com/

 

Dynastar Legend Pro 115s.  $400, brand-new in plastic still, full factory warranty, and you could pick them up in Banff when you get out here.

post #18 of 24

I'm a Mantra owner and think it's a great ski for the Pacific NW for crud which is the reason I got it.  It's a great all-mountain ski, however, it's a bit on the stiff side and skiing bumps in off-piste areas is tiring at least for me. Many people don't think it's a good pow ski, but I haven't had a problem with it.  That being said, I would go for the standard PNW ski which around these parts is at least 100mm under the foot with an early rise/rocker. You might take a look at the K2 Coomback which should handle well in interior BC snow that is lighter than the crap we get on the west side.  

post #19 of 24
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http://mntlion.com/

 

Dynastar Legend Pro 115s.  $400, brand-new in plastic still, full factory warranty, and you could pick them up in Banff when you get out here.


Thanks, I am looking more into this. Might be a great option. Just wishing it was rockered and that seems to be the way to go now.
post #20 of 24
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Thanks, I am looking more into this. Might be a great option. Just wishing it was rockered and that seems to be the way to go now.


According to Dynastar:

 

 

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With a 115mm waist, 450mm of rocker in the tip and a wood/titanal sandwich construction, the Pro 115 is big enough for the deep powder and open faces of Alaska and still nimble enough for the tight trees and chutes. The slow rise rocker in the tip allow skiers to maneuver effortlessly and float in powder or variable snow. The more traditional under-foot camber still allows the Legend Pro 115 to be powerful and easy to rip in any condition or terrain.

http://www.dynastar.com/US/US/legend-pro-rider-115_DA0R901_product_dynastar-skis-men.html

 

If I didn't already have an every day ski, I would go this route.

post #21 of 24
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According to Dynastar:

 

 

http://www.dynastar.com/US/US/legend-pro-rider-115_DA0R901_product_dynastar-skis-men.html

 

If I didn't already have an every day ski, I would go this route.


Thanks man, I was thinking that it has a rockered tip but I couldn't confirm 100% anywhere, even emailed the guy and he said he had to check into it. I am pretty sure i am going this route. I will be driving through and stopping to look at them, also looking at the BD's he is selling because they are 120mm underfoot and that might help my fat ass not sink.

Thanks again for the help. There is just so many options so it's hard to decide if your a newb. I could easily pick from 10 different skis and not go wrong with any of them. I wanted full camber skis but I will wait to buy a dedicated pow ski to get that. Can't wait for some snow to start falling even though it's like 32 celsius outside lol
post #22 of 24

I love my Line Prophet 100s. I much preferred them to the Salomon Shogun and Volkl Mantras.

post #23 of 24
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Thanks man, I was thinking that it has a rockered tip but I couldn't confirm 100% anywhere, even emailed the guy and he said he had to check into it. I am pretty sure i am going this route. I will be driving through and stopping to look at them, also looking at the BD's he is selling because they are 120mm underfoot and that might help my fat ass not sink.

Thanks again for the help. There is just so many options so it's hard to decide if your a newb. I could easily pick from 10 different skis and not go wrong with any of them. I wanted full camber skis but I will wait to buy a dedicated pow ski to get that. Can't wait for some snow to start falling even though it's like 32 celsius outside lol
 


Mntlion's a good guy, you're in good hands with him. 

 

He's also a bootfitter and a bike mechanic, so he can get you sorted out summer and winter.

 

post #24 of 24

If you're looking for something like a Kendo or Mantra, then I have a pair of minty 178 Stockli XXXL w/Tyrolia bindings for $315+ship.  89mm waist; 24M turn radius.  Super solid ski.  I'm going Bonafides so this will be overlap...

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