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post #31 of 51
Thread Starter 

Atomic see what happens when you ski fast in a slow area, people dodge out of your way even when it is not noticable to you.  When a less experienced person hears you coming they try to decide which way to get out of your way and will put on the brakes or make an irratic move to try and avoid you.  A weaker skier or a smaller person like children or women talk about this all of the time.  You may not be privy to these sorts of comments but are scared to death when you come blasting and they are slow, tending to kids or for whatever reason you may ascribe.

 

And when two or three come down that slow zone fast, everyone just modifies what they are doing by stopping but it goofs up the run at the very least.  You may feel that all is well cuz nothing happened but everyone was getting out of your way. 

 

Thats what could be different.

 

Its not ok.

post #32 of 51
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

On the weekends only, at our home mountain, there are enforcement officers hanging out  next to big yellow  banners placed right in the middle of some slopes wearing yellow tops. We call them the Yellow Jackets.

 

they can pull your ticket, berate you, verbally beat you into submission or send you to the principals office for a little chat. (Head of the Safety Patrol) Where you may be further berated for uh, making carved turns on an beginner/intermediate designated slope (which is really not a beginner intermediate slope)

 

 

The ridiculous part is I never see them pull over out of control technically challenged skiers.

 

Nope, seems like they like to pullover the totally controlled technically  skiers (Lord (If there is one)  help you if they even sniff any bit of race persona about your person) who who they perceives as skiing a bit too fast, even if no other skiers are with 100 yards of them.

 

So is life, I try to ski mid-week!biggrin.gif

Blue does this, only we call 'em Red Coats.  It's complete BS.  Define "Slow Skiing" for me when I'm the only on the trail.  Yet on Saturday mornings, when the race team wants to practice one legged ski drills down the beginner "slow" trails, it's ok with the Ski Patrol.  Blue even keeps a database of repeat offenders. 
 

 

post #33 of 51


That's not the case and if you saw the slope I am speaking of, yoO would also realize this is not & should be a slow zone (and actually it is not a slow zone).

 

Maybe the scardy cats and beginners should actually stick to the scardy cat & beginner slope?  Nope, no rules there? Why????

 

 A 1st timer can go the top of the mountain and make a obstacle of themselves for everyone else. Kinda ridiculous don't ya think. How about a profiency test to ride certain lifts????

 

99.9% of the time I ski the very far left edge or far right edge of the slope, away from everyone. I am not charging down the middle,  knocking babies and old ladies over as I carene down the hill obliviously. Dude, come on?

 

But does the knife not cut both ways. Experienced skiers can't just ski along at a reasonable pace, but gapers can doodle around on a slope they have no business being on.

 

Afterall, the ski areas wouldn't want to cater to their season ticket holders, long time supporters and regular customers. No, no it's all about the guy who comes up twice a year and heads down the hill like freaking Jerry Lewis in The Nutty Professor on skis????

 

I AM NOT ADVOCATING PLOWING THROUGH THE SLOW FAMILY AREA LIKE A BULL IN A CHINA CLOSET!


 

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Originally Posted by joeshoto View Post

Atomic see what happens when you ski fast in a slow area, people dodge out of your way even when it is not noticable to you.  When a less experienced person hears you coming they try to decide which way to get out of your way and will put on the brakes or make an irratic move to try and avoid you.  A weaker skier or a smaller person like children or women talk about this all of the time.  You may not be privy to these sorts of comments but are scared to death when you come blasting and they are slow, tending to kids or for whatever reason you may ascribe.

 

And when two or three come down that slow zone fast, everyone just modifies what they are doing by stopping but it goofs up the run at the very least.  You may feel that all is well cuz nothing happened but everyone was getting out of your way. 

 

Thats what could be different.

 

Its not ok.



 


Edited by Atomicman - 7/15/11 at 2:11pm
post #34 of 51

Obviously, the higher the skier/snowboarder density on a given ski trail , the more SRC enforcement is needed. 

 

If you got a problem with high skier density and frequent collisions or almost collisions,  I would recommend not skiing there.

 

Years ago I took the entire family skiing at a discount night skiing event.  It was past over crowded on the slopes because lift tickets were $10.    I spent most of the time skiing about 10 feet in back of my 6 year old daughter just to make sure  nobody hit her.  Toward the end of the night some young man jumped a mogul in the middle of the trail at angle such that he was headed right for my daughter's head.  I saw him out of the corner of my eye but there was nothing I could do to get between him and my daughter.   In mid air he  twisted to avoid my daughter but the tails of his skis made contact with her shoulder. My daughter went flying because of the force of the impact.  My daughter was ok and no injuries.  The young man  stopped and apologized numerous times.  My point here is this place was way too crowded.  I have never been back skiing at this ski resort again. 

post #35 of 51
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And these two things could be done if Ski Patrol would create time to talk to people about the code and if they would make it a priority.  

 

 


Yes prioritize lecturing over avi control and helping injured skiers got it. 

 


 

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Nope, seems like they like to pullover the totally controlled technically  skiers (Lord (If there is one)  help you if they even sniff any bit of race persona about your person) who who they perceives as skiing a bit too fast, even if no other skiers are with 100 yards of them.

 

 


Favorite quote from a yellow jacket this year "Dude that was awesome skiing but you need to slow down." This was on a blue run that had turned into a mogul field so I don't really understand why there was a slow zone there... 

post #36 of 51

O I just thought of a great idea how about we just kick people off the slopes for being idiots?

 

Stop under a knoll and your gone.

 

Ski onto a run where you then have to call ski patrol because you can't complete it. gone

 

Bomb down a run in a pizza wedge. gone 

 

ect.

 

There ninety percent of collisions gone. You can try and prove me wrong but I hold that the majority of collisions are results of people being stupid and having no situational awareness  rather than a failure to comply with the SRC.

 

Also I have no sympathy for you if you got hit by doing one of the a fore mentioned things. 

post #37 of 51
Thread Starter 


100% correct.  why doesnt it happen?  Why not pull em over, talk em down, talk em around, ride up with them, get em going right.  But I would say that this is about one third of the problem.  The other isthe  "me firsters" and the just careless who know better.  And I would say that that teh wedge bomber really actually does not know whats teh waht and someone should tell em.

 

Is that some sort of police that should tell em?  Some sort of ski patrol, eachother?

 

I think that talking to eachother may have an app but not if it is deemed uncool adn certainly not to hammer some guy you dont know.  But I do think we should talk it up more.

 

I dont know...are they idiots just cuz they dont know....on one level absolutely...on another hand, someone somewhere needs to tell em somehow.
 

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Originally Posted by lonewolf210 View Post

O I just thought of a great idea how about we just kick people off the slopes for being idiots?

 

Stop under a knoll and your gone.

 

Ski onto a run where you then have to call ski patrol because you can't complete it. gone

 

Bomb down a run in a pizza wedge. gone 

 

ect.

 

There ninety percent of collisions gone. You can try and prove me wrong but I hold that the majority of collisions are results of people being stupid and having no situational awareness  rather than a failure to comply with the SRC.

 

Also I have no sympathy for you if you got hit by doing one of the a fore mentioned things. 



 

post #38 of 51
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Originally Posted by joeshoto View Post

 

I dont know...are they idiots just cuz they dont know....on one level absolutely...on another hand, someone somewhere needs to tell em somehow.
 


I'm sorry but if you can't understand the concept of "if I can't see them they can't see me" then yes you are an idiot and a snow plow bomber knows exactly what they are doing. Ask any 5yr old and they will tell you it's cuz they like to go fast.

 

I also think you fail to understand that telling someone they need to be in control will not ultimately change what they do. Everyone knows they should stay in control, it's not like people go around thinking "you know what the best way to ski is? Where I have no ability to determine what direction I'm going!"

 

Honestly you sound like the military who thinks that the solution to any problem is briefings and when that doesn't work  more briefings. It's like they are surprised when the rate of sexual assault doesn't go down because they told us it's bad. 

 

This will be my last post here  

 

post #39 of 51

OP: For more conclusive and productive input, you should totally ask the same question to the guys over at TGR.

www.tetongravity.com/forums

post #40 of 51
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Originally Posted by jimmy View Post

1. Always stay in control.

2. People ahead of you have the right of way. 



3. People UNDER you have the right of way

 

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post #41 of 51
Thread Starter 

Yep, I would sayu that most pizza wedge straight down bombers dont know how they are effecting other skiers.  They dont know that everyone is altering their line or waiting to start or otherwise dodging them as they do what they consider to be skiing.

 

They are peroccupied with just staying upright, and they think that they are doing just fine.

 

And usually an entourage follows.  It s flying wedge, and the defense all go to the sides, wedge up the middle, hike.

 

Hell thats how I learned how to ski, me and the footballers, flying wedgen,no shit.

 

Greater effort shouild be made to talk to these guys.  And even greater effort should be made to educate these guys.  And still greater effort should be made to monitor these guys.

 

Should they be penalized?  Would consistent penalties work to reduce idiots, supercools or goofs?

 

 

post #42 of 51


I always give anyone under me unrestricted right of way!!!!!biggrin.gif
 

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3. People UNDER you have the right of way

 

kite-skiing-getting-air-bdr.jpg



 

post #43 of 51

That's my student!  When you come back we can racewink.gif.
 

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Originally Posted by AustinFromSA View Post

OP: For more conclusive and productive input, you should totally ask the same question to the guys over at TGR.

www.tetongravity.com/forums



 

post #44 of 51

Joe, think globally act locally. You and the committee should directly approach management at your home ski hill  with your thoughts tell them you want enforcement. Volunteer to be a ski deputy, step up and take charge bro. The wolrd needs more hall monitors.

post #45 of 51
Thread Starter 

Boo hoo ya had me then you lost me.  I got chunks of guys like you in my stool,baby.

 

No but we are not going local.  We are too far away anyway so we are going to where we can really make a difference. And ski clubs are not involved.

 

  They are interested in what we have to say.  It is very interesting that they dont want expert experts involved.  I suggest that this is not a problem that instrutors and  other full time skier types are interested in and they said that this disinterest seems to be part of the problem.  They have seen some of this stuff here and agree that the issues wont be settled with those who are enmeshed in the industry or the current culture.  At least that is my understanding.

 

One of the ladies had dealt extensively with helmet issues and said that the opposition was not worth the time it takes to wade through but that their input was a defining issue.

 

They like my credentials from some nursing home issues I was involved with. 

 

They are very low key and no individual has anything to worry about.  It is an interesting process.

 

Its a big industry so we will see what happens.  I guess things have been rolling about this for some time.

 

Yeah Czar.  Its good to be patient, honest and dedicated and fun as hell

 

Adios muchachos

post #46 of 51
No
Edited by Gs ski man - 7/16/11 at 7:43am
post #47 of 51

Joeshoto is on a time-out.  Anyone who is using an alias "sock-puppet in this argument is advised that it is a bannable offense.  Please remove your posts, it's not worth it.. 

post #48 of 51

Come on, tells us.  Who's sock puppet is Joshoto?

post #49 of 51
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Come on, tells us.  Who's sock puppet is Joshoto?



It doesn't matter who it was (other than to the person involved) but it will not be tolerated and if the posts in question are not removed, there will be repercussions. 

post #50 of 51

It would almost be sad if Joe was a puppet.  He has a special flavor of crazy.  He could just be pissed off because someones hand is always up his butt.

post #51 of 51

Hey look!  Voluntary helmet use is quickly on the rise anyway... so I guess we don't have anything to worry about.  ;-)

 

http://unofficialnetworks.com/helmets-uncool-school-study-suggests-2-31069/

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