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It is in the boots

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 I have been ski instructing of over 8 years and I have seen a lot of wasted money spent on  skis to improve ones skiing and little on no attention given to the boots. Since we start @ our feet and work up  our primary attention should be "the boots." Sorry people if the boots  are not tuned in  the $$$$$ you spent on some new boards is wasted. It is well worth the investment to be seen by a professional boot fitter. Not only does the boot have to fit well and be comfortable it has to be a boot that complement's your type of skiing. I have seen a lot of instructors  skiing in the wrong boots  not knowing any better they start out typically with something too stiff where the best gains would have been something with more flex that would compliment their demos rather than hindering them. Once you have the right boot and it is fitted properly now we need to look @ alignment.  If the boards connect with the snow properly you will be  limiting your progress. Unfortunately I not only needed to canted but I also  camber the binding  my left ski  to compensate for  a left foot that was rotated out  > 20 degrees more then the right.   With the above being doing I seen my best  gains and that was after I sent $$$$$ on 4 different sets of ski's looking for additional gains. I do feel  our industry needs to focus more on this in the beginning  of ones ski career. this would greatly reduce  ones frustration

post #2 of 9

Hence the whole "date your skis, marry your boots" line that is repeated constantly around here... I think you're preaching to the choir.

post #3 of 9

This subject has been discussed frequently in these forums since I've been around, but episki is also a site loaded with clueless gapers, so it is probably well that it is brought up so often, so I will chime in:

 

A properly fitted boot is essential to give skiers control over their skis, without that control, no ski upgrade will compensate for the difficulties created by poorly fitting boots.

 

 

 

post #4 of 9

Hearing the same thing over and over is not the answer. Most people don't live anywhere near a good boot fitter and while on a ski trip are so busy they don't take the time to search one out. It's almost an accident that the average skier stumbles across a good boot fitter.

 

I would like to see a resource that lists good boot fitters by resort proximity.

 

Maybe, epicski could change the 'Resort and Mountain Reviews' to 'Resort, Mountain and Boot Fitters Reviews'. that way as people plan next years trips they could have the knowledge resource available to pre-plan a trip to a good boot fitter.

 

Let's try to improve participation in the culture. People need good information to be able to be make good decisions. Telling people what to do, without giving them the proper info on HOW to do it is a  setup for non-compliance and failure.

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Originally Posted by shortydude View Post

Hearing the same thing over and over is not the answer. Most people don't live anywhere near a good boot fitter and while on a ski trip are so busy they don't take the time to search one out. It's almost an accident that the average skier stumbles across a good boot fitter.

 

I would like to see a resource that lists good boot fitters by resort proximity.

 

Maybe, epicski could change the 'Resort and Mountain Reviews' to 'Resort, Mountain and Boot Fitters Reviews'. that way as people plan next years trips they could have the knowledge resource available to pre-plan a trip to a good boot fitter.

 

Let's try to improve participation in the culture. People need good information to be able to be make good decisions. Telling people what to do, without giving them the proper info on HOW to do it is a  setup for non-compliance and failure.

Seek and ye shall find.  

 

We do have s specific forum where you can "Ask the Bootfitter" and also  list of reputable fitters across the country. HERE
 

Also while this is "gear" related, I think the OP is directing it to students so the thread is being moved to instruction out of 'Auctions and Special Events" 

post #6 of 9

Would it be possible to get that Articles/page3 of Epic Ski Info pinned to the top of the 'Ask The Boot Guys' forum? That would be a great spot to keep a thread/list. The thread/list could be updated to stay fresher, would be easier to find and more likely to be used. But, still reviews of boot fitters would be nice too.

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Originally Posted by shortydude View Post

Hearing the same thing over and over is not the answer. Most people don't live anywhere near a good boot fitter and while on a ski trip are so busy they don't take the time to search one out. It's almost an accident that the average skier stumbles across a good boot fitter.

 

I would like to see a resource that lists good boot fitters by resort proximity.

 

Maybe, epicski could change the 'Resort and Mountain Reviews' to 'Resort, Mountain and Boot Fitters Reviews'. that way as people plan next years trips they could have the knowledge resource available to pre-plan a trip to a good boot fitter.

 

Let's try to improve participation in the culture. People need good information to be able to be make good decisions. Telling people what to do, without giving them the proper info on HOW to do it is a  setup for non-compliance and failure.


This is just plain silly, as it assumes that nothing useful has been suggested in the countless pages of discussion on the subject. Everything useful has been treated to, and from a number of different perspectives, the same thing over and over is pertinent information, which the lazy won't take the time to read through, but will rather flap about how they are not being served sufficiently.

 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Seek and ye shall find.  

 

We do have s specific forum where you can "Ask the Bootfitter" and also  list of reputable fitters across the country. HERE
 

Also while this is "gear" related, I think the OP is directing it to students so the thread is being moved to instruction out of 'Auctions and Special Events" 


I suppose I gave the public too much credit for the capacity to find the obvious. That's why I could never work retail. wink.gif

 

 

post #8 of 9

The trouble is that the public has not the ability to judge a good boot fitter, and the good boots need to be skied in order to be appreciated. 

 

I had an old pair of race boots that didn't get the fitting process finished.  To make a long story short I had to switch boot fitter's for reasons unrelated to boot fitter skill, and felt the new boot fitter hadn't made the problem any better, while diminishing the performance slightly.  I decided to start over with a new boot and new fitter.  The new boots were chosen on the advice of the salesman who advised to get one step down from a full-on race boot when I said I wanted to ski all day without pain or worrying about losing toes to frostbite.  Even the boots were guaranteed to fit, and I brought them back many times for free adjustments, they never really fit my forefoot; I couldn't wear any socks at all without cutting circulation even with the buckles barely closed at their most loose, and after the boots "broke in" they provide too much room in the heel pocket.  The room increase in the heel pocket was gradual, but still noticeable.  The boots were also too soft (100 flex).

 

Last year I finally broke down and split open the liner and cut out some room from the liner along the little toe and a ways back from it. I figured nobody else was ever going to fit the boots and I couldn't use them the way they were. 

 

It was amazing how much more control I had with the old race boots when I took them for a test run after cutting the liners.  My little toe is not touching the shell, and the fit isn't perfect in that area, but they are an order of magnitude better in the rest of the boot.  I hadn't realized how much that lose heel was affecting my control. 

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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

The trouble is that the public has not the ability to judge a good boot fitter, and the good boots need to be skied in order to be appreciated. 

 

I had an old pair of race boots that didn't get the fitting process finished.  To make a long story short I had to switch boot fitter's for reasons unrelated to boot fitter skill, and felt the new boot fitter hadn't made the problem any better, while diminishing the performance slightly.  I decided to start over with a new boot and new fitter.  The new boots were chosen on the advice of the salesman who advised to get one step down from a full-on race boot when I said I wanted to ski all day without pain or worrying about losing toes to frostbite.  Even the boots were guaranteed to fit, and I brought them back many times for free adjustments, they never really fit my forefoot; I couldn't wear any socks at all without cutting circulation even with the buckles barely closed at their most loose, and after the boots "broke in" they provide too much room in the heel pocket.  The room increase in the heel pocket was gradual, but still noticeable.  The boots were also too soft (100 flex).

 

Last year I finally broke down and split open the liner and cut out some room from the liner along the little toe and a ways back from it. I figured nobody else was ever going to fit the boots and I couldn't use them the way they were. 

 

It was amazing how much more control I had with the old race boots when I took them for a test run after cutting the liners.  My little toe is not touching the shell, and the fitt isn't perfect in that area, but they are an order of magnitude better in the rest of the boot.  I hadn't realized how much that lose heel was affecting my control. 


Great points.  In addition, the process can be extremely expensive, and most public views boot fitting as some sort of voodoo, black-magic.  Heck, a lot of the instructors I work with won't seek a good boot fitter or spend the $$$.

 

Three years ago, I got a pair of boots fitted by a pro.  The fit and performance were great, but as my skiing improved, about a year ago I began to question my setup.  This year I got a new pair of stiffer boots (130 vs 110), with ZipFit liners.  I was absolutely blown away by the difference.  And I'm starting from a base that's better than at least 90% of the skiers.  Cost wise, I spent about a grand (at pro-deal pricing) to replace boots that had at least another couple of years left in them.  No regrets.

 

On the whole, I think the mass consumer rental and retail industry is doing a disservice to the community.  Rental shops put people in "whatever fits" and chain stores don't know any better.  It's very difficult to convince someone who has already spent a grand that their boots are junk, and they should spend another grand to improve their skiing.  First, why would they trust me, and second, why would they have confidence then the second time it'll be any better.

 

 

 

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