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How different is rocker?

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Enough so demoing is a must when buying skis? I recently saw some comments that people hate it so much they don't use it.


Fwiw I can't stand feeling of detuned tip and tail; is that essentially what rocker feels like?
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Rocker isn't one thing, it's a whole spectrum ranging from the original reverse/reverse designs to "marketing rocker" on piste skis which shifts the point of tip engagement marginally.  It doesn't feel like a detuned tip and tail - on a hard piste it feels like a shorter ski, tip em over more to engage more.

 

But definitely demo with a view to what you want it for not just because it's fashionable.

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Do companies with integrated bindings for tip-only rockered skis take into account the contact points when mounting plates, or are skiers forced to assume a grossly-forward mount position?

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Enough so demoing is a must when buying skis? I recently saw some comments that people hate it so much they don't use it.


Fwiw I can't stand feeling of detuned tip and tail; is that essentially what rocker feels like?


 

You should always demo if possible, regardless of rocker.  When it's not a possibility, thankfully there's enough info out there and comparative data from skiers who may have tried other skis you have demoed that can relate the relative experience to you to make an informed decision. 

 

It's not the same as a detuned tip and tail, but I guess it's sort of a close analogy.  In most instances, it loosens up the tip and tail for easy initiation of turns in funky snow but to say it behaves as a detuned tip is not very accurate.  I have a few skis with rocker and one in particular almost acts hooky it's so eager to initiate- so in that case, no it does not feel detuned in the least yet turn initiation in deep or funky stuff is easier because of the pronounced tip.   

 

I find that most people who supposedly have a beef with rocker are trying to use it for the wrong thing.  Most people around here "hate it" for no other reason than they like to ski corduroy fast and powerfully and in that case a skinny cambered ski is probably best suited for those condtions.  People who ski fresh a ton, tour or ski trees a bunch usually appreciate the ease of maneuverability that comes with a rockered board and no, they don't have to be superfat to utilize the technology either.  To each his own for sure but knowing what experience you're after is an important part of finding the right ski. 

 

To answer your question about mount point, NO.  I have a pair of PM Gear 183 Carbon FAT BROS that despite their large tip still have a very rearward "oldschool" mounting point, and as a result the skis ride like you'd expect- they appreciate a very forward stance and pressure and when you ski them like that they absolutely bully the snow and take all its lunch money.  I also have more center mounted skis so I kow that nimble, almost squirrelly feel you're talking about.  Not the case with all rocker boards at all if you choose the right ski so no, it does not automatically move your mount point forward in the least.  It changes the overall landscape and sweet spot of the ski, but you should be going longer with rocker anyways, and thus be able to achieve the overall experience you're looking for.  With my regular 183 BROs, they skied far longer and more "locked in" than my ones with rocker.  It made them better for big open spaces but far less fun in tight, billygoating terrain or fresh snow so it's all about what experience you're after.   

 

I hope some of that helped.  It seems like people are so overwhelmed by the concept of rocker and it's really pretty simple, and yes I recommend trying them first as their experience is generally a more all around friendly and easy to ski plank, but it is a subjective experience and some don't like it.  Best of luck!        

     

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Do work, thanks for the in- depth post; it was very informative
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