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2018 Winter Olympics--with moguls made of nukes!

post #1 of 19
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Pyeongchang, South Korea is going to host the 2018 Winter Olympics. nonono2.gif Call me ignorant, but what kind of skiing is there in South Korea? I thought this was a joke when I first saw it. They beat out bids from France to hold the Olympics in the Alps and Germany. I guess the IOC is really abandoning the whole not selecting countries with major civil rights violations policy between Beijing back in 2008, Russia in 2014 and now S. Korea in 2018 (yes S. Korea has civil right violation issues--I'm not confusing them with N. Korea).
post #2 of 19

This may be an obvious observation, but in looking at the pattern of locations for winter games in the recent past, it looks like they want to move it around to each suitable continent as much as possible (rotating between N. America, Europe, and Asia).  It'll probably be back in the USA in 2022 or 2026 for sure.

 

As for your country-of-choice comments, I can't add much to that.

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This may be an obvious observation, but in looking at the pattern of locations for winter games in the recent past, it looks like they want to move it around to each suitable continent as much as possible (rotating between N. America, Europe, and Asia).  It'll probably be back in the USA in 2022 or 2026 for sure.

 

As for your country-of-choice comments, I can't add much to that.


Sochi, Russia is more in the Asian part of Russia than the European part. (Although it does generally hold to that trend). The problem is that there are very few areas in Asia compared to Europe/North America (plus why not choose somewhere in South America other than having to hold the winter olympics in the summer months of the northern hemisphere). You basically have Japan for skiing in Asia unless they plan on giving China another shot which after 2008 I highly doubt. And apparently S. Korea.
post #4 of 19

China would be quite interesting for the winter games.  I think it would be cool to see skiing events in the himalayas.  Of course, I'm not sure if there are any cultural centers (capable of hosting the games) within 5 hours of the huge mountains.  Elevation could be a problem.

 

Anyhow I checked out the city in Korea on Google earth and what you have there are a bunch of 1500-2600 ft (above sea) rolling mountains with up to 2000ish vert.  Perhaps I am missing something.  I don't know what the climate is there but I'd imagine snow could be a huge problem, but obviously the IOC who knows what they are doing felt the games could be there so they'll probably figure something out.

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China would be quite interesting for the winter games.  I think it would be cool to see skiing events in the himalayas.  Of course, I'm not sure if there are any cultural centers (capable of hosting the games) within 5 hours of the huge mountains.  Elevation could be a problem.

 

Anyhow I checked out the city in Korea on Google earth and what you have there are a bunch of 1500-2600 ft (above sea) rolling mountains with up to 2000ish vert.  Perhaps I am missing something.  I don't know what the climate is there but I'd imagine snow could be a huge problem, but obviously the IOC who knows what they are doing felt the games could be there so they'll probably figure something out.


Isn't there any kind of prerequisite about having an area that meets the standards for World Cup competitions for the skiing? I'd think if Korea had anything close to being suitable for a WC event they would have had something an event there sometime.
post #6 of 19

First of all... Winter Olympics are "a bit" more then just alpine skiing ;) Second... there were WC races (including biathlon World championships, winter University games...) in Korea already. And if someone would ask just Koreans, they would be happy to organize more of them, but like it or not, in alpine skiing WC people are a bit spoiled, and traveling to other side of world takes so much ;)

And third... Germany got their share of Olympics in history, so did France. Russia hosted single Olympics in whole history, and with market in Russia (and Russian power in winter sports), I guess Sochi is quite logical idea. Korea? I guess it's about trying to develop some more winter sport in Asia... and then sell whole bunch of stuff to few billion of people living there ;)

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First of all... Winter Olympics are "a bit" more then just alpine skiing wink.gif


Maybe, but they are also a large part of the Winter Olympics. I did some more digging and it looks like the venue for the skiing is going to be the Yongpyong Resort. I started reading through their stats and it isn't horrible. It looks to be about on par with your larger mountain in New England. 25k persons/hour lift capacity, about 2300 ft. vertical drop, mostly intermediate skiing with about 30% considered expert or advanced. Then I got to the scary statistic. Average annual snow fall: 2.5 meters. They only get slightly more snow than we do here in Pennsylvania. I hope they have good snow making equipment. But we can be reassured by South Korea's tourism bureau that the mountain "has sledding areas". rolleyes.gif
post #8 of 19

Believe it or not, 2.5m yearly is a whole lot better then Whistler's 10+m/year. At least when it comes to track preparation. You saw Whistler last year, you will see Sochi in 3 years (with similar or worse statistics like Whistler has) and you can compare regular WC stops in Alps with whole lot less snow then 10m/year. With enough cold weather, less snow is actually better, then constant snowing.

And alpine skiing is not really all that big part. There's 10 disciplines (5 men, 5 women) out of 86 disciplines (in 15 different sports)... most likely with more sports and more disciplines after last changes. So you can hardly say, alpine skiing is sport, which all that much of significant that host of Olympics should be decided based on this ;)

PS: Were you even in Korea for any skiing competition? I was at Winter university games in 1997, and to be honest, I can't complain about anything... not about track preparation, not about track selection, and not about place we stayed. ;)

post #9 of 19

They better not have the skating on the Chosin Reservoir.

 

Seriously though, Kim Jong Il has to be looking at this as a chance to be a big wrench in the works, and he'll probably make out like a bandit for it. Anything to keep him quiet!

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John Symms visits South Korea

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They better not have the skating on the Chosin Reservoir.

 

Seriously though, Kim Jong Il has to be looking at this as a chance to be a big wrench in the works, and he'll probably make out like a bandit for it. Anything to keep him quiet!


He'll be dead by 2018, it may be a chance for his son to make his mark on history though (aka moguls made of nukes).
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Seriously though, Kim Jong Il has to be looking at this as a chance to be a big wrench in the works, and he'll probably make out like a bandit for it. Anything to keep him quiet!

 

I really don't want to involve politics crap into this, but you started it ;) We could say same for Obama during last years Olympics, which were also just across the border ;) Yet nothing happened. Obama behaved like good boy and kept invasions localized to Iraq and Afghanistan, US didn't send bombers over the border and flatten Vancouver, and Olympics went through without any problems ;)

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I really don't want to involve politics crap into this, but you started it wink.gif We could say same for Obama during last years Olympics, which were also just across the border wink.gif Yet nothing happened. Obama behaved like good boy and kept invasions localized to Iraq and Afghanistan, US didn't send bombers over the border and flatten Vancouver, and Olympics went through without any problems wink.gif


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post #14 of 19

Summer Games (much larger scale) were in Seoul in 1998, so not too worried about South Korea handling this with Northeast type mountains.  My guess is that's it's colder in South Korea in winter than the mid-Atlantic here. 

post #15 of 19

I went to Yongpyong Resort (part of Pyeongchang)skiing once few years ago. In general the skiing season in Korea is short (from mid Dec to early March the most) and the snow is nowhere as nice as the snow in Japan. 

 

If you ask me whether I would like to go skiing in Korea again, my answer is "unlikely".

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................. You basically have Japan for skiing in Asia unless they plan on giving China another shot which after 2008 I highly doubt. And apparently S. Korea.


I suppose that would rule out Pakistan, India, Nepal etc which have a little mountain range called the Himalayas.  But for orgainisation (after witnessing first hand the India Winter Game in Kashmir 2 years ago), I would trust the South Koreans to put on a first rate show. And from a political perspective (pot, kettle, black), South Korea is no better or worse than most western democracies.

 

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I suppose that would rule out Pakistan, India, Nepal etc which have a little mountain range called the Himalayas.  But for orgainisation (after witnessing first hand the India Winter Game in Kashmir 2 years ago), I would trust the South Koreans to put on a first rate show. And from a political perspective (pot, kettle, black), South Korea is no better or worse than most western democracies.

 


It's more than just mountains, you have to have an incredible amount of infrastructure. (And in Pakistan a reasonable guarantee that said infrastructure isn't going to be blown up)
post #18 of 19

Humm, I as under the impression that the games always go to the nation that could present the largest bribe to the commissioner. Appropriate climate and facilities come a distant second..  I guess those Korean car companies are doing very well these days..

post #19 of 19

Is this thing with bribes wrong only when Koreans, Russians or Chinese do it, or is same wrong when Brits (London 2012), Canadians (Vancouver 2010), Australians (Sydney) or Americans (Salt Lake , Atlanta) are doing it? Just so that I know where we draw the line between "pure business in better world" and bigger bribes ;)

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