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post #61 of 74
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Originally Posted by Xela View Post

Other considerations, perhaps:

 

* chairlifts can be run in summer

 

* chairlifts can haul boxes of supplies (more easily)

 

* chairlifts are a better way to transport an injured person

 

* chairlifts are easier for little kids, many of whom can ski advanced terrain

I'd rather have my kids on a surface lift, all things considered. But the other points here are fair, particularly no. 3.

 

A chair also allows you to serve terrain that might only have snow at the top, or even none at all (eg, off the chair, onto the next one, skis in hands, etc.).

 

Our back bowls were served by two T-bars when I arrived in Italy 17 years ago, and they were soon replaced by a slow chair. Given that a high-speed lift is not in the cards, I'd take the T-bars back in a second, MUCH warmer ride (and you can get off early if you want).
 

(Actually I'm drawing a blank on whether they were T-bars or Pomas. Mr. Nobody?).

 

post #62 of 74

Copper has surface lift to access advanced terrain. Vail and Winter Park use them for latteral movement on the hill (to get to the lodge without trudging.)

 

I agree with those who like surface lifts. seems it would save a lot of money in install and maintenance. They are great for exposed ridges and terrain where wind is a factor. Heck, the "high speed" chairs in windy areas are often slowed or stopped because they are so affected by the wind.

post #63 of 74

I'm pretty sure Big White and Sun Peaks have T-bars as well.   I'm planning to investigate this year  :)

post #64 of 74

There are lots of surface lifts in South America as well.

 

Portillo is famous for it's "Va et Vient" lifts that can transport up to 6 people:

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post #65 of 74

Good grief!  It's bad enough when the ONE guy ahead of you goes down...Can you imagine the carnage with groups of six? 
 

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There are lots of surface lifts in South America as well.

 

Portillo is famous for it's "Va et Vient" lifts that can transport up to 6 people:

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post #66 of 74

The t-bar at Sugarloaf is a life saver when the wind kicks up. Love it then, most people are unwilling to do the tough traverse at that point so you get 1/2 the mountain to yourself.

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I completely, totally, agree.  I was riding up the one at Breck in April with Mr. Vertical.  Two women 2 chairs in front of us fell, loosing their skis in the process. The chair in front of us was patrollers who managed to bail in time.  Mr. Vertical and I tried to maneuver around the mess and I managed to deflect the person coming at me but then the ski laying straight across the path took me out.  I fell and tweaked my entire body pretty good while Mr. Vertical managed to stay on.  The people behind us all commented to me that I had done a pretty darn good job trying to avoid the mess.  I yelled to Mr. V to go ahead, I was calling it a day.   From what I hear Seg, Betsy and Uncle Louie who were waiting at the top were quite confused to see Mr. V come off without me until he told them of the mess.  I really wish they'd replace the Breck one with a Poma but I'm guessing it wouldn't carry enough passengers since there's always a nasty line at the t-bar. 
 

 


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Ladies and Gentlemen,  I'd like to introduce your guides for the 2011 Gathering.  (it was at the guides orientation, the day before The Gathering officially started.) 

 

 

post #68 of 74
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Ladies and Gentlemen,  I'd like to introduce your guides for the 2011 Gathering.  (it was at the guides orientation, the day before The Gathering officially started.) 

 

 


HEY!  It wasn't my fault I went down.  

 

post #69 of 74
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I'm pretty sure Big White and Sun Peaks have T-bars as well.   I'm planning to investigate this year  :)


Yup, sun peaks has a t bar up in the west bowl, only open weekends and holidays though. The bunny hill has a platter lift, which everyone calls the poma. Which is weird, cause our poma life is made by doppelmayr.

 

Definitely prefer platters to t bars for beginner skiers though. Assuming they have the strength and coordination to stand up on their own, its usually a no brainer to get up the platter. Different story for boarders though.

 

Anyone ridden the platter at louise before? Gotta be the steepest surface lift ive ever been on.

 

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post #71 of 74

Killington still has a poma lift on Snowdon Mtn. There is a small ski area outside Burlington, VT (Cochorans) that I believe still has a rope tow & two other surface lifts. Talk about retro this place is it.

 

Catskills that's a funny vid. I remember when I was a young lightweight squirt being lifted in the air by rope tows & T-bars.

 

Anyone remember J-bars?

post #72 of 74
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Here is an olde rope tow video from the 50s.



Ahh, the memories! I learned to ski on rope tows when i was a little guy at grouse mountain. Dont remember ever being launched off the ground, but the rope would always drag me down so id be bent over double with my knuckles dragging through the snow.

post #73 of 74

I had some adventures with the nutcracker rope tows at Mt. Olympus http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9003 and Broken River http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9005 a year ago.  Also a very good day at Porters, which is all T-bars: http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9001.

 

The reason for the va-et-vient lifts at Portillo is that they are in highly avalanche exposed terrain. They can be moved out of harm's way before a storm and quickly reinstalled afterward. 

 

At the Gathering I had a misadventure with that Peak 8 T-bar on the Breck powder day.  3rd ride up I locked boot buckles with my partner halfway up, lost my balance and fell off.  It worked to my advantage because I was behind the group when they left that area, Imperial wasn't open when they skied by it but it just opened when I got there.biggrin.gif

post #74 of 74

Good thread. There used to be 2 tbars going up the top part of Cannon. Now there is a quad over a wind scoured trail called Profile. They could have cut about 5 or 6 sweet narrow winding trails in the same area and left the bars. Some snow might actually stick. Showing my age by saying that I actually miss those things.

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