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Volkl RTM 84?

post #1 of 19
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Anyone ski this ski? What did you think?  I've always liked lower camber skis going all the way back to the Pre 1200,

which flattened out really fast.  I skied a Bridge and really liked it, but it was too wide for the quiver niche I need it for. I bought my seven yr old girl a kids Gotama(total Daddy indulgence) which seems to work very well for her.  I have video of her on a soft groomer and the ski seems to carve as well as her conventional camber skis.  As a result of all the above I'm very intrigued by the idea

of the lower versions of Volk's ELP minimal reverse camber design.  I read all the threads about the Blizzard Bushwacker which also sounds very intriguing, so if you've skied both feel free to compare/contrast. Thanks for your thoughts.

post #2 of 19

The RTM84 replaces the AC50 in Volkl's line for 2012. IMHO having skied both, the RTM is a nicer all around ski, while the RTM84 might not have the tenacious grip of the AC50, it is a much better mixed and soft snow ski. I think they made the RTM to be more playful and versatile ski with a sweet spot that will allow the skier to relax. It is almost like they let the k2 designers in the room to finish the RTM84 off. It is almost like a (very good) american tuned suspension on a european car..and I mean that in the best possible way. 

 

I wouldn't really compare the RTM84 to the Bushwacker but more to the Blizzard Magnum 8.7. 

post #3 of 19

Phil, did you get the chance to ski the RTM's in the bumps or the trees? If so how were they?

post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by tsk94 View Post

Phil, did you get the chance to ski the RTM's in the bumps or the trees? If so how were they?



The RTM skis better than the AC50 did in both of these areas. While not a bump or tree ski per say, for a wide carver they were good. 

post #5 of 19

Great info, I demoed AC50s pushed them very hard in the bumps, glades & ice. They responded well, I recommend them highly. The rtm-84 maybe the ski for me. Demo days are getting closer. My 724-exp are a good ski, not great, but for the price I paid for them, they ski well. Being an eastern skier I sharpen & wax my own skis. My edges are almost done. Side wall cut is needed so I can get a little more time on the slopes. Then they become my rock & Tuckerman's skis. Can't wait to ski rtm-84s maybe I'll just by them when head to New Hampshire.

post #6 of 19

I have been a Volkl fan for a while and currently ski the last version of the AC30.  I have some time on the AC50 as well and took a nice demo on the RTM84 at the end of last season here in the east.  I have to agree with Phil, they are way more friendly than the AC50's while still maintaing a high level of performance.  I also demoed the RTM80 which are a replacement for my AC30 and did not care for them which surprised me.  I would consider the 84's to replace my 30's but I think I am going to go big with myall mountain next ski in the 90-100 range.

 

Good luck,

 

Rick G

post #7 of 19

I skied them last week for two days.  I currently own AC 50's and was curious to see the difference. 

The full rocker makes a huge difference.  The ski's are significantly lighter and surprisingly did a great job on the hard pack without bleeding off speed out of the turns.  Word of advise.... do NOT make your decision based on the first two hours of skiing.  To be honest I did not like them for the first two hours... then all of sudden the ski felt extremely comfortable underfoot.

It has an incredible ability to transition between the hard pack, crud, and soft snow.  Another surprise was how my legs felt at the end of the day... they felt great.

I put my AC 50's on the next day and they felt like tanks.  They still ski the same, I just didn't realize how much harder I was working to ski them.

I'm buying them as soon as I can pull together the money.

post #8 of 19

 

I liked the AC30, but found it heavy in the bumps and trees.  Did you ski the RTM 84 in the bumps and trees, and how did it work?

post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by harber84 View Post

 

I liked the AC30, but found it heavy in the bumps and trees.  Did you ski the RTM 84 in the bumps and trees, and how did it work?



The flaws in the older AC 30/50 was that they were way too stiff underfoot to flex well in bumps or softer snow. Hence, while very good on groomers, they made the skier work pretty hard in mixed conditions. The RTM 84 has a nice round flex in the medium range and it is dramatically better than the older skis in those variable conditions. The RTM also has full length rocker although it is fairly minimal and this also helps the ski in mixed conditions. The price that you pay for that improvement in softer conditions is a bit less solid feel when compared to the old versions. The RTM requires a higher edge angle to settle down and feel stable. This particular ski might have been better if they had just softened the flex and left it as a low conventional cambered ski rather than using the full length rocker. Nevertheless, it is a much more versatile ski than the older versions.....it just skis very differently.

 

Someone above mentioned that the RTM is not really the same category as the Bushwhacker and this is very true. The RTM is still basically a firm conditions ski more like a Mag 8.7 or Atomic Crimson. The Bush and other skis like it are definitely geared more toward mixed conditions despite the similar widths.

 

 

 

SJ

post #10 of 19

rtm 84 or wait for blizzard 8.5 next year ….???

looking for a versatile , stable all mountain  carver , 70-30 skiing mostly Iam 5'10 195lbs. 

iam still skiing my old solomon pilots (love them , just wanted a new ski )

 

rtm 80-  seemed too short @171cm  and chattery at higher speeds when you laid them flat (great edge though)

rossi e88- felt like a better carver but a bit softer @178cm 

enduro 85 - felt great just not enough pop @a177 

 

phil  help!!!! 

post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by felixsh View Post

rtm 84 or wait for blizzard 8.5 next year ….???

looking for a versatile , stable all mountain  carver , 70-30 skiing mostly Iam 5'10 195lbs. 

iam still skiing my old solomon pilots (love them , just wanted a new ski )

 

rtm 80-  seemed too short @171cm  and chattery at higher speeds when you laid them flat (great edge though)

rossi e88- felt like a better carver but a bit softer @178cm 

enduro 85 - super stable and felt great just not enough pop @a177 

 

any thought ??



 

post #12 of 19

IMO.....There are a lot of skis that are better than the RTM 84 for what you axed but the Blizz Mag 8.5 Ti may well be the cream of the crop.

 

I'd wait........(Or) maybe see if we could sneak you a pair of '13's now.

 

SJ

 

 

post #13 of 19

8,5 blizzy  sounds very tempting , I want a finesse ski that will do it all, short , medium , long turns …stable at  high speed  on mostly front side 

is this the one ?

post #14 of 19

Interested in what you decided.  I have been skiing 724 EXPs in 177 for five year now (not nearly as many days as I'd like - too many commitments and an ACL-less knee about two seasons away from fake knee).  I'm a expert skier, 53 yrs old, 175 and 5'8".  I've bid on a missed some 2011 AC50s 170cm and now I'm thinking about the RTM 84 in 177 or even a Grizzly in 170.

post #15 of 19

Iam trying to find an rtm in a 177 to demo because Iam hearing that the 171 ski differently due to the full rise everyone seems to be recommending these skis in a longer version,

still imagining what the 8.5 will ski like , since i have never skied a blizzard 8.1 or 8.7

post #16 of 19

Is theft an option?

 

Where do you ski?

post #17 of 19

lol…havent given that one any thought yet, 

but drastic times call for drastic measures …..But it really is frustrating to come out of a 10yr old ski( solomon pilot 10)  you love and not being able to find 

something that works for you with all the new technology and all!!

post #18 of 19

I recently demoed the rtm 80 and the rtm 84 @176cm. I thought the 84 was an excellent ski and it was able to handle  mid-short, mid and long radius turns nicely. I had the skis on  groomed blue/black runs   pushing them quite hard  in order to see how they carved compared to my 11ft tigersharks.  They fared quite well but one needs to be realistic on  their ability to crank out short slalom like turns.  I was looking to add a fatter all mountain ski as this is the second year in a row where I've went on ski vacation and wishing that I had something that could ski 15cm powder/chopped powder or crud.  On a side note, after my ski vacation I picked up a pair of used  AC50s from kijiji for around $350.I had them out today and was  struggling with them on the groomers but thought the performed very well in the east coast natural snow conditions which on any given run can range from  chop/ruts/ice/bumps..roots and the occasional patch of good soft snow. The sensation on the groomers was very odd. I could not feel the  edge of the ski when I initiated a carved turn. As soon as I   put anything more that a light to moderate downward force into the edges the downhill ski seemed to wash out. I resorted to skidding/sliding my turns for most of the day ??  From what I've read , the AC50 is known for it's edge hold ? My tigersharks and race tigers are magnificent which leads me to believe the 50s are having issues. My first  observation is that edges were very dull and rounded but i did not think the effect would that be that dramtic. Any comments or suggestions?  My plan is to get them sharpened and have the tech make sure that  the bindings  {ipt wide ride} are  setup correctly{I adjusted them slightly to fit my  317 boot}

 

 

 

post #19 of 19

since you demoed both how would you compare the rtm80 and the rtm84 

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