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post #211 of 216
Joe how many epicski users homes have you been to? What other users that pissed you off?

What'ya do? Its pretty funny you call others a creep. You are the creep who doesn't make any posts about skiing; only Psycho babble.

You can't ski more than a few feet and have impaired speech. You yourself got a head injury and can't think straight and you've confused people on your shit list.

The funny thing is you use your own name and are from Schaumburg. Therefore I'd take it easy with your threats and sicko plan because that might come right back to haunt you.
post #212 of 216

Well I was preaching of course at the powderjunks logical doorway where which he would like me to go away from.

 

He challenged me, actually invited me to come out to his home, to have some sort of a ski off some months back while on the same topic.  After I told him that I have had several surgeries, that I'm 55 yrs old and live at sea level which makes me perform poorly at high altitude, he challenged me to come out and ski with him and to take a lesson so he could prove his way out point that I have no opinion.

 

It pisses him off that I am a level 7 skier who does not consider himself an 8 as I do not aspire to bumps and I only ski short distances without stopping.

 

He wants me to go away becasue he sees me as a whistleblower who is not afraid of upsetting the club with cause.  He is really upset abotu the new helmet policy for employees at JMHR where he is an instructor.

 

OK?

post #213 of 216

I really have no interest in posting on this thread any further, but will respond this once to your allegations about my lack of professionalism.  I never challenged you or anyone to race me down the mountain and if I did please find it and quote it.  I think what I said, in general terms, is that I will ski a few runs and share some quick tips (if asked) with any Bear who goes to the trouble of looking me up, because I enjoy meeting you guys.  However....  I teach skiing for a living and am not interested in spending all my free skiing time giving a free lesson or waiting around for someone who can't keep up.  I don't mind waiting a bit, but If you are really not up to free skiing off piste at a 7+ level then we won't be spending the whole day together it's not personal, that's just how it is and I'll be honest about it.  I teach students at all levels and will happily take any lesson.  I taught only beginners for a few years and enjoyed that and learned from it more than I ever thought I would.  Now I teach mostly advanced lessons, but take whatever is assigned or requested and do my best with it, because that's what I do.  When I'm being paid to give a lesson I don't much care if it's a level 8 or a level 1.  I'm patient and do my best to keep it fun and safe.  On my day off, I don't spend the day waiting for beginners.  I don't see how that makes me a bad or arrogant person.

 

Yes my name is Dave.  You can look it up in the instructor list here on the site.  I have said a few things that I wish I had said differently, but will own everything I ever said here and don't hide behind an alias.  For the record, I am 47.  I will be 48 next ski season.  Next ski season will be my 22nd year skiing in JH, my 6th as a full time ski instructor.  

 

As far as my students go....  I really love teaching skiing.  I enjoy meeting people from all over the world and helping them ski better.  I never have belittled a student either here or in person.  If you think I have, again, I challenge to to find it and quote it here.  Sometimes my students do or say "funny" things as all people do, but I have never looked down on them for it.  I actually love those "funny" moments, they make my life more unpredictable and fun.  In five seasons of full time instruction I can only think of about 3 people that I really didn't like.  I teach a few hundred students every year.  The fact that I have been able to make a sort of career out of ski instruction speaks to my skills and professionalism.  There are plenty of others in the SS who would like to have my job.  I am successful because I train hard and actively work to be as good as I can be.  I have been steadily climbing the wage ladder at the SS, but really need the tips from the students to make it pay.  I do pretty well with those tips because I provide a solid lesson that people see the value of.  They tip me and request more lessons with me and I continue to flourish a little better every season. 

 

I never thought that I wanted to be a ski instructor.  I really thought that ski instruction was lame and ski instructors couldn't ski.  I found myself in a position six years ago where I had lost a lot of my interest in skiing because I had plateaued and started to decline in ability.  This is because I have always been fairly athletic and I was losing some of that "edge" as I got into my 40s.  I could no longer just stomp down harder anytime I ran into some sort of challenge.  Even though I thought I was pretty technically "good" (and I actually was), I was no where near as technically proficient as I am now.  If I hadn't gotten into instruction, it is likely that I would have eventually quit skiing all together.  Because of my teaching and training I am skiing better now than I ever have and am continuing to improve.  How could I ever look down on instruction or my students when they have given me so much?

 

So Joe....  Go ahead and trash talk me to your ski club.  I wish you wouldn't, but I can't stop you.  I'm happy that you are laughing and having a good time even if it is at my expense and unjustified.  I would still ski a few runs with you if you showed up and asked and I would wait for you forever if you were my student and needed me to.  

 

BTW...  I think it's really cool that you are part of a ski club that does a paddle and camp weekend and that your club can field 50 people for that event.  I got into skiing through my families connection to the Buckridge Ski Club in the Philly area.  We were whitewater boaters first and and got into the "ski" club through the boating end.  I don't see much evidence of what I consider the traditional family oriented ski club out here.  We could ski because the club helped make it affordable.  We could stay in the "lodge" that the club maintained for almost nothing.  The accommodations were what many these days would consider spartan, but I loved going up there and being part of the group.  There was a sort of mentoring feel within the club.  Some of the older guys helped me learn to tune my own skis.  There was also the kind of culture that you seem to be driving for within the group.  I definitely knew about the SRC from the very beginning.  I would like to see more club activity like this.  I think you overstate your case about the SRC and helmets.  I teach some element of the code in every lesson and when I am patrolling, I don't put up with any crap when it comes to safety.  You think the system is broken....  I don't see that.  I would agree that I liked it better when the SRC was posted on every lift and printed on every lift ticket and cocktail napkin, but it is not disregarded by any patroller, instructor, or high level skier that I know.
 

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bob,    But you had no contribution to this particular thread and showed up just to antagonizz.  Yeah I know what a pin head is, thats you right?  But teledude was referring to the guy in my quote, but it was you he called a pin head.  I said that his head is flat;  Keep up bob.  His head.

 

Tetonpowderjunk, I ski very well probably a 7 or 8 with no longer any aspiration to ski bumps (so not 8) as judged by what is posted on the JHMR website,

As you know I live at sea level on flat land  and when I told you that I am 55 and have had a few surgeries, you challenged to race me down the mountain at Jackson no less, as a way of instructing me.

 

We laughed at the spectacle of the teacher making his students race him and I proceeded to spread the word about the Jackson ski school teacher, Dave I think his name is, who is like 53, almost 20 years at JMR who uses teaching to belittle his students by challenging them to race if you assess your skills higher than he does, or at least threatens to do so.  Either way we were just laughing about it at the ski club paddle and camp last weekend. About 50 people showed up.

 I am still ready, Oh Yeah.  Are you?  Every bit of that was funny to us all.  Youre great. 

 

Man I really have to hand it to a guy who can make a career out of recreational skiing instruction.  We laughed so hard.  We laughed about how you refer to your students and how great it is that you continue to be an instructor cuz you love to ski so much.

 

Are you still on the silly who is stronger tough guy thing from months ago?  Yeah I let it go awhile ago.

 

But I/ll be around for a long time, I just got my focus and project running well.  Ill be at your door again soon.

 

BobBobBob,You guys are the reason for government and agency intervention in safety. You should consider your actions an tudes.  you know with your experience you could be a good role model for safety if you want to.
 



 



 

post #214 of 216

You posted this while I was writing my last post....

 

I could care less about what level you ski or how you rate yourself.  I only hope that while you are skiing you are having a great time.  I could care less about the new helmet policy at JHMR.  Some of the people I work with are very upset, but I made my decision to wear a hemet years ago.  My only criticism of the policy is that it is IMO a capitulation to a knee jerk reaction from an insurance company and not a well thought out and considered plan.  I don't see how having us wear helmets hurts anything and I have bigger things to worry about than arguing about a policy that doesn't really affect me.  Especially when it's an argument where I will never gain any traction.  IMO helmets give the wearer a false sense of security, because they are not built well enough to do what people seem to think they will.  They may even increase the risk if people take more chances because they feel safer.  This phenomenon has been documented across many types of human behavior, where as safety increased so did risk taking resulting in no net gain in the safety of that activity.  I hear people say things like "I would never ski in the trees before I got my helmet".....  The truth is if they hit a tree with any significant force the helmet probably won't help them too much.  It's not the helmet, but the skill set that makes the safety.  Skiing trees with a helmet and without the skill set decreases safety.

 

As far as Joe having no opinion....  It's been made abundantly clear that he does have an opinion.  By now I think we all know what that opionon is.  In my opinion, everyone has a right to their opinion even when that opinion happens to be wrong.
 

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Originally Posted by joeshoto View Post

Well I was preaching of course at the powderjunks logical doorway where which he would like me to go away from.

 

He challenged me, actually invited me to come out to his home, to have some sort of a ski off some months back while on the same topic.  After I told him that I have had several surgeries, that I'm 55 yrs old and live at sea level which makes me perform poorly at high altitude, he challenged me to come out and ski with him and to take a lesson so he could prove his way out point that I have no opinion.

 

It pisses him off that I am a level 7 skier who does not consider himself an 8 as I do not aspire to bumps and I only ski short distances without stopping.

 

He wants me to go away becasue he sees me as a whistleblower who is not afraid of upsetting the club with cause.  He is really upset abotu the new helmet policy for employees at JMHR where he is an instructor.

 

OK?



 

post #215 of 216


Well ther was more like 20 at the paddle.  But you came swinging down on me pretty hard more than once and I thought it was just a workout.  So I respond like it is the real thing and would do it again in a heartbeat.

 

  You want to throw your weight around well lets be on topic, focus on topic.  And if you want to relate content to me or whoever as an asshole then that may be productive but at least take the opportunity to relate the effort to the content.   To come out of the blue just to start swinging and defending the honor or whatever is exactly the kind of attitude that creates the feeling that motivates agencies and governments to take matters in their own hands.

And as far as me personally, if you want a challenge, you came to the right place.

 

But I dont get it, you are one of the most experienced here, you seem reasonable, but you wnat to shut down the ongoing work it takes to progress.  I asked bob to stop the shenanigans of coming out of nowhere without any content, as if sarcasm by itself is useful, and you jump in and try to shut me down completely.  It wont work.

 

And then you want to get all nice when your action touches home.

 

Listen man, it is hard hard work writing the way I do here and I believe it is valuable.  I dont mind the shit, at least it wont shut me up, but have some respect for the process and relate your hate for me to the topic.

 

I do not accept you invitation to ski with you.  I would feel very uncomfortable and challenged with no avail to skiing.

 

Now what do you think of the SRC?  I think that what you say about the people you know having regard for safety may be so, but actions are different from what happens on the slopes.  You dont see people cutting off others?  No one ever skis into your line while teaching.  Come on!  Really?  And yeah once in a while counts.
 

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I really have no interest in posting on this thread any further, but will respond this once to your allegations about my lack of professionalism.  I never challenged you or anyone to race me down the mountain and if I did please find it and quote it.  I think what I said, in general terms, is that I will ski a few runs and share some quick tips (if asked) with any Bear who goes to the trouble of looking me up, because I enjoy meeting you guys.  However....  I teach skiing for a living and am not interested in spending all my free skiing time giving a free lesson or waiting around for someone who can't keep up.  I don't mind waiting a bit, but If you are really not up to free skiing off piste at a 7+ level then we won't be spending the whole day together it's not personal, that's just how it is and I'll be honest about it.  I teach students at all levels and will happily take any lesson.  I taught only beginners for a few years and enjoyed that and learned from it more than I ever thought I would.  Now I teach mostly advanced lessons, but take whatever is assigned or requested and do my best with it, because that's what I do.  When I'm being paid to give a lesson I don't much care if it's a level 8 or a level 1.  I'm patient and do my best to keep it fun and safe.  On my day off, I don't spend the day waiting for beginners.  I don't see how that makes me a bad or arrogant person.

 

Yes my name is Dave.  You can look it up in the instructor list here on the site.  I have said a few things that I wish I had said differently, but will own everything I ever said here and don't hide behind an alias.  For the record, I am 47.  I will be 48 next ski season.  Next ski season will be my 22nd year skiing in JH, my 6th as a full time ski instructor.  

 

As far as my students go....  I really love teaching skiing.  I enjoy meeting people from all over the world and helping them ski better.  I never have belittled a student either here or in person.  If you think I have, again, I challenge to to find it and quote it here.  Sometimes my students do or say "funny" things as all people do, but I have never looked down on them for it.  I actually love those "funny" moments, they make my life more unpredictable and fun.  In five seasons of full time instruction I can only think of about 3 people that I really didn't like.  I teach a few hundred students every year.  The fact that I have been able to make a sort of career out of ski instruction speaks to my skills and professionalism.  There are plenty of others in the SS who would like to have my job.  I am successful because I train hard and actively work to be as good as I can be.  I have been steadily climbing the wage ladder at the SS, but really need the tips from the students to make it pay.  I do pretty well with those tips because I provide a solid lesson that people see the value of.  They tip me and request more lessons with me and I continue to flourish a little better every season. 

 

I never thought that I wanted to be a ski instructor.  I really thought that ski instruction was lame and ski instructors couldn't ski.  I found myself in a position six years ago where I had lost a lot of my interest in skiing because I had plateaued and started to decline in ability.  This is because I have always been fairly athletic and I was losing some of that "edge" as I got into my 40s.  I could no longer just stomp down harder anytime I ran into some sort of challenge.  Even though I thought I was pretty technically "good" (and I actually was), I was no where near as technically proficient as I am now.  If I hadn't gotten into instruction, it is likely that I would have eventually quit skiing all together.  Because of my teaching and training I am skiing better now than I ever have and am continuing to improve.  How could I ever look down on instruction or my students when they have given me so much?

 

So Joe....  Go ahead and trash talk me to your ski club.  I wish you wouldn't, but I can't stop you.  I'm happy that you are laughing and having a good time even if it is at my expense and unjustified.  I would still ski a few runs with you if you showed up and asked and I would wait for you forever if you were my student and needed me to.  

 

BTW...  I think it's really cool that you are part of a ski club that does a paddle and camp weekend and that your club can field 50 people for that event.  I got into skiing through my families connection to the Buckridge Ski Club in the Philly area.  We were whitewater boaters first and and got into the "ski" club through the boating end.  I don't see much evidence of what I consider the traditional family oriented ski club out here.  We could ski because the club helped make it affordable.  We could stay in the "lodge" that the club maintained for almost nothing.  The accommodations were what many these days would consider spartan, but I loved going up there and being part of the group.  There was a sort of mentoring feel within the club.  Some of the older guys helped me learn to tune my own skis.  There was also the kind of culture that you seem to be driving for within the group.  I definitely knew about the SRC from the very beginning.  I would like to see more club activity like this.  I think you overstate your case about the SRC and helmets.  I teach some element of the code in every lesson and when I am patrolling, I don't put up with any crap when it comes to safety.  You think the system is broken....  I don't see that.  I would agree that I liked it better when the SRC was posted on every lift and printed on every lift ticket and cocktail napkin, but it is not disregarded by any patroller, instructor, or high level skier that I know.
 



 



 

post #216 of 216

This is clearly going nowhere and has gotten personal, with a strong mix of proselytizing.  Thread closure is imminent.

 

 

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