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post #31 of 45

IMO the difference between all of the other current golfers and Tiger is the "Fear Factor" No one including himself has that any more. That is the only difference, any one golfer can win on any given day now. Before it was always a question of who was in the field ,up until today, Rory could easily shoot an 80 on Sunday. Today I do not feel that there is "one" golfer that is just automatically going to close on Sunday. As a Golf fan I do not see it as either good or bad, just different.So until someone,if anyone, repeatedly wins and or dominates the field week in and week out and holds the #1 ranking they cannot be compared to Tiger or Jack.

 

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Matt Kuchar's new flat swing has given him something like 29 straight cuts. Lot's of players are now as long as Tiger off the tee. The playing field has leveled with Rory McIlroy perhaps becoming the new star. 


 

 



 

post #32 of 45
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Woah!  Let's not get carried away here... Tiger absolutely demolished the consecutive cuts made record whereas Rory is extremely talented and is going to be a big star, but has yet to come anywhere close to what Tiger was as far as consistency is concerned.

 


Graeme McDowell seems to think so:
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"Nothing this kid does ever surprises me," said 2010 U.S. Open champion Graeme McDowell (69, two under total). "He's the best player I've ever seen."

Read more: http://www.golf.com/golf/tours_news/article/0,28136,2078588,00.html#ixzz1PmFsBolX
post #33 of 45

I can watch a Tiger-less golf tournament.  For me  the "must watch" golf is when John Daily is in the running. 

 

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Ya, I know that isn't nearly as likely as Tiger returning to championship form but  I still think it would be fun to watch.

post #34 of 45

So what?  His friend and fellow-countryman thinks so?  There's no doubt McIroy has a tremendous golf swing but the hyperbole in comparing him to Tiger is getting ridiculous until he wins a handful of majors.  People have such short memories.

 

Not to mention, the kid has only won THREE tournaments.  I'm sure he'll win many more, but people need to get a grip.

 

Also, you forgot to include what McDowell said next: “I didn't have a chance to play with Tiger when he was in his real pomp, and this guy is the best I've ever seen, simple as that."

 

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Graeme McDowell seems to think so:


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"Nothing this kid does ever surprises me," said 2010 U.S. Open champion Graeme McDowell (69, two under total). "He's the best player I've ever seen."

Read more: http://www.golf.com/golf/tours_news/article/0,28136,2078588,00.html#ixzz1PmFsBolX

 


 


Edited by JayT - 6/20/11 at 10:54am
post #35 of 45

This pretty much sums it up here... http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/Dont-call-Rory-McIlroy-the-next-Tiger-Woods-061911

 

"One major does not an era of domination make.  This was McIlroy’s 100th tournament as a professional on the US and European tours. He has three wins. After 100 tournaments, Woods had 28 wins and almost twice as many top-10 finishes."

 

I rest my case.  Tiger is probably hearing this talk at home and getting really pissed off.

post #36 of 45

Jay, +1 on that opinion. I think I will traverse, probably have better luck on that subject.

post #37 of 45

Some final thoughts on this years US Open.

 

A very different Open, almost a "one off". Missing was the killer rough and lightening fast greens that are so punishing and a signature of an Open course. I can see the USGA tightening their thinking about Olympic Club in San Fransisco next year, and, I feel for those who will play there. I can't imagine an Open ever being won at 16 under par again, unless Merion gets similar weather in 2 years. Merion is just so short by modern standards and does not have enough ground to expand. Congressional looked great and I wonder what fast conditions would have resulted in. From what I saw on TV the greens rolled very true, especially considering all the traffic and ball mark repairs due to the very receptive greens.

 

Sunday was a disappointment as there was no competition. The old saying that the tourney does not begin until the back 9 of the last day just did not apply. Give Rory full credit...at 22 he is Major champion and the list of people who have won a Major before 25 is very short and they are all in the Hall of Fame. Rory is not participating in the PGA Tour and will remain in Europe. This is the first time I watched him play on an extended basis. All I can say is "he's got game". It's almost funny seeing him walk down a fairway next to Phil Mickelson. and Dustin Johnson..he looks like a Hobit, but, hits the ball as far as they do. Excellent putter, unlike Sergio.

 

I remember both early years of Jack and Tiger. Both came out of college (Tiger after 2years) and they both just dominated the game from the start. Honestly, I don't think anyone will do what these 2 did, time will tell, but, I've sure like to see the game of the next person able to dominate the tour in a similar manner. Tiger has been unchallenged for 15 years...even if he regains good legs, he will face a fierce competitor in Rory. Golf needs it's next superstar.

 

The British Open awaits.

 

post #38 of 45
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Some final thoughts on this years US Open... 


TIGER WHO?

 

 

Actually, I hope a humble, healed Tiger comes back and has a bunch of epic battles with all the new, younger guns. 
 

 

post #39 of 45
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Actually, his new nick name is "Cheetah"

post #40 of 45



 

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This pretty much sums it up here... http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/Dont-call-Rory-McIlroy-the-next-Tiger-Woods-061911

 

"One major does not an era of domination make.  This was McIlroy’s 100th tournament as a professional on the US and European tours. He has three wins. After 100 tournaments, Woods had 28 wins and almost twice as many top-10 finishes."

 

I rest my case.  Tiger is probably hearing this talk at home and getting really pissed off.

Agreed Rory is not Tiger nor will he be, but he was stunning to watch.  We will see a lot more of this young man.

 

On course difficulty, it was very fair but not the trip to hell that most US Opens are.  2115 will also be a return to the days of yor for the US Open.  WARNING:  unabashed plug here. Chambers Bay here in my neighborhood (less than 1 mile away as the crow flies).  Think pure links ala St. Andrews with the elevation changes of Augusta National.  http://www.chambersbaygolf.com/chambersbay.asp?id=232&page=7996  the boys will be tested here.

 

 

post #41 of 45
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I spent 4 days on 12. I've never seen so many pros miss putts within 3 feet. Watching Freddy "Yock" 4 putt #12 on Sunday was painful. A casual observer would have written it off as just bad putting. But I was close enough to watch balls inexplicably break both ways away from the hole (from multiple pin positions) and watch pros consistently miss putts from the same spot in the same direction (e.g. from below the hole, missing to the right on Sunday) and yet still see the guys sink 20 and 30 footers and see Sergio chip in from the same collection area that befuddled Dubba Bubba W into a 6 and a bunch of guys into bogeys. If the second cut of rough had been 6 inches of the Congressional rough that I've played in before and the greens were rolling at 14.5, there would have been a lot less hitting the green and spinning the ball back and the hole would have played at least a 1/2 stroke harder.

 

There was plenty of evidence to support the talk of the US Open being too easy this year. Relative to the conditions and scoring at other Opens and what the USGA wanted to do, there is no doubt about this. But too easy is a relative term. This course was hard. The length alone was tough, but it also put the bunkers in the right spots for the pros. Add the water, the elevation changes and the greens that were still tricky even when soft and there were a lot of contributors to the difficulty level. The rough at Congressional is locally notorious. Of all the things that the USGA could have controlled, I suspect that area is the one they will look at more closely in the future for different options. In hindsight I can think of a few things they could have done differently, but I have to take people at their word that they were not expecting the grass to go dormant in early June. I saw very few players who were not able to hit it close to the green from the rough.

post #42 of 45

At the end of the day so much has to do with the weather... an extremely challenging setup in calm, moist conditions will produce lower scores than a basic setup in tough conditions (super dry fast greens and wind).  Far too much is made out of length for these guys, when it has much more impact on your average golfer.  I tend to hit my drives between 275 - 285 on average, sometimes less, sometimes I'll bomb one over 300... so a very long par 4 that's 465 yards might leave me with a 5 or 6 iron from the fairway.  Which is significantly easier than a 3 iron.  Then factor in that at least 50% of tour pros (maybe more these days) would make my drives look pathetic in comparison, plus more length with their irons, and they're hitting 8 or 9 irons (or a wedge for Dustin Johnson) into the same green.  So it's all about how well the green receives those shots, which is why tour pros can just destroy moist, windless conditions since the ball isn't going to travel very far from where they stick it on the green.  Not to mention how much easier it is to chip on a moist green.

 

Having said all of that, they really should have grown out the rough more at Congressional.
 

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I spent 4 days on 12. I've never seen so many pros miss putts within 3 feet. Watching Freddy "Yock" 4 putt #12 on Sunday was painful. A casual observer would have written it off as just bad putting. But I was close enough to watch balls inexplicably break both ways away from the hole (from multiple pin positions) and watch pros consistently miss putts from the same spot in the same direction (e.g. from below the hole, missing to the right on Sunday) and yet still see the guys sink 20 and 30 footers and see Sergio chip in from the same collection area that befuddled Dubba Bubba W into a 6 and a bunch of guys into bogeys. If the second cut of rough had been 6 inches of the Congressional rough that I've played in before and the greens were rolling at 14.5, there would have been a lot less hitting the green and spinning the ball back and the hole would have played at least a 1/2 stroke harder.

 

There was plenty of evidence to support the talk of the US Open being too easy this year. Relative to the conditions and scoring at other Opens and what the USGA wanted to do, there is no doubt about this. But too easy is a relative term. This course was hard. The length alone was tough, but it also put the bunkers in the right spots for the pros. Add the water, the elevation changes and the greens that were still tricky even when soft and there were a lot of contributors to the difficulty level. The rough at Congressional is locally notorious. Of all the things that the USGA could have controlled, I suspect that area is the one they will look at more closely in the future for different options. In hindsight I can think of a few things they could have done differently, but I have to take people at their word that they were not expecting the grass to go dormant in early June. I saw very few players who were not able to hit it close to the green from the rough.



 

post #43 of 45
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  Tiger is probably hearing this talk at home and getting really pissed off.


Good.

post #44 of 45

I agree.  Would love to see Tiger bounce back and have some epic duels with the young guns on tour like Rory.  Tiger's participation in a close match-up could help elevate the profiles of some of these younger players in terms of awareness from a national audience.
 

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post #45 of 45
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Originally Posted by jaytierney View Post
... and they're hitting 8 or 9 irons (or a wedge for Dustin Johnson) into the same green.  So it's all about how well the green receives those shots, which is why tour pros can just destroy moist, windless conditions since the ball isn't going to travel very far from where they stick it on the green.  Not to mention how much easier it is to chip on a moist green.

 

 

This was the great thing about spending most of my time on 12, which the announcers were saying was not one of the 3 hardest holes (i.e. 11,18 and ...9?). With the tees back it took a 330 yard drive to reach the dogleg and have a wedge to the green (145 yards). When they had the tees up, most of the guys had a short iron approach shot. Over the two tournament days that I watched 12, only about 1/3 of the guys really aimed at the pin in "destroy" mode. The great thing about 12 was less than a third of those guys got their birdie. It was really awesome to watch them drop shots within 2 feet of the back edge of the green, hop right to the edge of disaster (the drop off to the collection area) and spin the ball back to within 3-5 feet of the hole. And it was even cooler to watch most of those putts miss the hole by a 1/2 inch. It was if the hole was moving out of the way. One of the things I noticed on TV is that they did not show a lot of shots of golfers on 12. Rory bogied 12 on Sunday (bunker, short, chip, miss). The other thing I noticed about 12 was that nobody who had a trouble lie (e.g. bunker or rough at the dogleg or short of the dogleg) missed their approach shot long (which was big trouble no matter where you were long). As easy as the conditions were, the course still had a lot of bite.

 

 

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