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Need some advice on ski length and width (Tahoe skiier, intermediate-advanced)

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

Hey guys,

 

I just finished my first ski season ever in Tahoe (Squaw) and I'm hooked.  I bought some really cheap skis for my first season and I've seriously outgrew them.

 

I can ski anything groomed on the mountain easily and I'm ready to get keep on advancing.

 

I'm thinking of getting a ski with anywhere from 85-100 underfoot although I'm not too sure where in that range would be best. Skis I've targeted so far are the Volkl Kendo, Nordica Enforcer, Line Prophet and Volkl Mantra.  My current skis are 74 underfoot so, as you can imagine, anything would be a significant upgrade.

 

I'm also around 5'11" (180 cm) so for my ski length I was thinking of somewhere between 170-177.  Would a 177cm ski be really tough to maneuver in moguls for someone with my height?

 

Thanks, and I look forward to some responses!

post #2 of 20

Hello Grimace.  Ski length is partly a matter of personal preference but assuming you are fairly normal in build 170 sounds short for you (Volkl has this "use your head" schtick where chin height +/- is for beginners, nose height +/- for intermediates and forehead height or higher for advanced skiers).  This is especially true if you plan to spend more time off piste and/or in powder.  Also, as skis get more and more rocker treatment lengths should increase (a subjective amount).  So I would guess shoot for something closer to 180; the difference between two sizes does not make a huge difference in bumps and many people like a longer ski to smooth out eneven and rough terrain.  As for the skis you mentioned with the possible exception of the Line Prophet the list is suspect I.M.O.  I don't know too much about the Kendo but this list is better suited for experienced pilots (when you see vertical sidewall construction with metal laminates that's at the stout end of the ski world).  The Mantra has a solid following at Squaw but its a fairly stiff, fairly unforgiving ski.  I would encourage you to seek out high performance skis that have a more user friendly nature with good sized sweet spots.  Skis that come to mind are the Dynastar Sultan series as well as the sixth sense slicer, the Rossi S3, the Salomon Shogun and the K2 Hardside.  These are all versatile, advanced skis that won't punish you too badly if you didn't bring your "A" game that day. 

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Originally Posted by grimace View Post

Hey guys,

 

I just finished my first ski season ever in Tahoe (Squaw) and I'm hooked.  I bought some really cheap skis for my first season and I've seriously outgrew them.

 

I can ski anything groomed on the mountain easily and I'm ready to get keep on advancing.

 

I'm thinking of getting a ski with anywhere from 85-100 underfoot although I'm not too sure where in that range would be best. Skis I've targeted so far are the Volkl Kendo, Nordica Enforcer, Line Prophet and Volkl Mantra.  My current skis are 74 underfoot so, as you can imagine, anything would be a significant upgrade.

 

I'm also around 5'11" (180 cm) so for my ski length I was thinking of somewhere between 170-177.  Would a 177cm ski be really tough to maneuver in moguls for someone with my height?

 

Thanks, and I look forward to some responses!



As with almost all of these posts. Skis are the sexy and fun thing to discuss but where are you with your boots? While skis are fleeting relationships and affairs, boots are where the relationship/marriage is. 

 

You and I are about the same height (you didn't mention what you weigh), I would suggest a ski in the 180+/- length and if I can help you further at The Start Haus in Truckee, I would be happy to. 

post #4 of 20

No.  I'm the same height as you and have the Volkl Kendo in 177cm... moguls are not a problem.
 

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I'm also around 5'11" (180 cm) so for my ski length I was thinking of somewhere between 170-177.  Would a 177cm ski be really tough to maneuver in moguls for someone with my height?

 



 

post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 

Thanks a lot for the advice y'all, I really appreciate it!

 

SquawBrat,

Good thoughts on ski length, that makes a lot of sense.  The reason I was looking at skis like the Kendo and Mantra is because I want a ski that I won't have to replace after another season.  I don't mind a more advanced ski that might be a little trickier at first.

 

Phipug,

I hear you.  The first gear I bought before this past season was boots.  In fact, I got them from Start Haus ;)  I weigh around 170-175 lbs and I have a pretty average build.

 

jaytierney,

How do you like your Kendo's?  What level skier are you and where do you ski?

post #6 of 20
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Thanks a lot for the advice y'all, I really appreciate it!

 

SquawBrat,

Good thoughts on ski length, that makes a lot of sense.  The reason I was looking at skis like the Kendo and Mantra is because I want a ski that I won't have to replace after another season.  I don't mind a more advanced ski that might be a little trickier at first.



Ultimately it's your nickel and your call but all of the skis I mentioned are top notch, high end skis that you won't have "outgrown" in a season or two.  You may want to replace them for one reason or another but it won't be because they aren't good enough.  I'm most impressed with skis that deliver the goods but have versatility and don't beat you up in the process.

 

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Ultimately it's your nickel and your call but all of the skis I mentioned are top notch, high end skis that you won't have "outgrown" in a season or two.  You may want to replace them for one reason or another but it won't be because they aren't good enough.  I'm most impressed with skis that deliver the goods but have versatility and don't beat you up in the process.

 


I hear you and, again, I really appreciate you taking the time to reply to this thread.  With so many choices out there it makes choosing skis in June while sitting on the couch a daunting endeavor, at least for the less educated like me.

 

I've just started reading the Blizzard Bonafide review thread, but what are your thoughts on that ski?

 

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I hear you and, again, I really appreciate you taking the time to reply to this thread.  With so many choices out there it makes choosing skis in June while sitting on the couch a daunting endeavor, at least for the less educated like me.

 

I've just started reading the Blizzard Bonafide review thread, but what are your thoughts on that ski?

 


The reviews have been spectacular....The Bonafide has been my go to Tahoe ski for the past 6 weeks At Start Haus, we have already presold close to a dozen pair on Bonafides. In the 98mm class I do think it is about the best ski along with the Line Prophet 98, Kastle 98, Rossi Experience 98.

 

post #9 of 20
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The reviews have been spectacular....The Bonafide has been my go to Tahoe ski for the past 6 weeks At Start Haus, we have already presold close to a dozen pair on Bonafides. In the 98mm class I do think it is about the best ski along with the Line Prophet 98, Kastle 98, Rossi Experience 98.

 

Just finished the thread and, yeah, people seem to love it although almost all of the reviews seem to be coming from this site haha.  Anyone got an equity stake in Blizzard? (jk)

 

Would you recommend the Bonafide or the Cochise as a ski for someone going exclusively to Tahoe?
 

 

post #10 of 20

I guess I'd say I'm a level 8 skier, whatever that really means.  I ski in Tahoe and while I've only taken my kendo's out for a few days so far since I just bought them in late April, so far I love them.  I will say, however, that I only bought an 88mm ski because I plan to also buy something in the 105 - 115mm range like Katana's or the Blizzard Cochise.  If I were only going to buy one pair of skis for Tahoe I probably would have gone with something a bit wider like the Watea 94's or Bonafide 98's.
 

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jaytierney,

How do you like your Kendo's?  What level skier are you and where do you ski?



 

post #11 of 20
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Just finished the thread and, yeah, people seem to love it although almost all of the reviews seem to be coming from this site haha.  Anyone got an equity stake in Blizzard? (jk)

 

Would you recommend the Bonafide or the Cochise as a ski for someone going exclusively to Tahoe?
 

 


Either. depending what you want out of a ski, but I like the Bonafide. 

 

post #12 of 20

As for the others skis in your original list...

 

Nordica Enforcer - I noticed several Tahoe ski patrollers on these last season, at different resorts.

Line Prophet - Have heard lots of praise for the 90's and 100's.

Volkl Mantra - People seem to really love them or dislike them, same as the Kendo, depending on flex preferences.

post #13 of 20
Thread Starter 

SquawBrat (or anyone else),

 

Can you elaborate on what the sweet spot of a ski actually is?  I've heard the term but never really understood what it really meant.

post #14 of 20

For skiing sweet spot refers to a ski's ability to ski and/or turn the same regardless of where you are standing on it.  To get the most out of a ski with a small sweet spot you have have to ride it with very little change in your fore/aft weight distribution (once finding the actual sweet spot; that spot where the behaves the best).  Conversely, a ski with a big sweet spot doesn't really change its behavior all that much regardless of wether you are back forward or in between.  

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For skiing sweet spot refers to a ski's ability to ski and/or turn the same regardless of where you are standing on it.  To get the most out of a ski with a small sweet spot you have have to ride it with very little change in your fore/aft weight distribution (once finding the actual sweet spot; that spot where the behaves the best).  Conversely, a ski with a big sweet spot doesn't really change its behavior all that much regardless of wether you are back forward or in between.  



I will say the Bonafide has about the biggest sweet spot of a ski I have felt in a long time. I have never been so out balance and in balance at the same time. 

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I will say the Bonafide has about the biggest sweet spot of a ski I have felt in a long time. I have never been so out balance and in balance at the same time. 


I thought the 187 Bonafide had the biggest sweet spot ever...untill I got on a pair of 193 Cochises.

 

post #17 of 20
Thread Starter 

So this may or may not change things but a friend just gave me a pair of 185cm Volkl Chopsticks that he's too tall for.

 

My one ski quiver seems to have expanded to 2.

 

Thanks to the great advice on here, these are the skis that are the leaders for my $

 

Rossignol S3 Freeride

Dynastar Legend Sultan 94

Blizzard Bonafide

Saloman Shogun

Line Prophet 90 or 100 (not sure)

 

How big of a difference is going from 90 underfoot to 100?  How much ability to carve is lost in those 10 mm?

post #18 of 20

Generally speaking "they" say you typically want 15 - 20mm between skis in your quiver, unless you're going for a big quiver.  For me, the ability to carve isn't a whole lot different from just 10mm (I can carve almost as well on my 88m as my 76mm) but I think you may want a larger span for just a 2 ski quiver.  If you now already have a 95mm, I'd go higher than 100mm with the other pair - maybe 106 - 114mm so they can specifically do something else (i.e. float on powder) better than your chopsticks.

 

EDIT: Whoops... the Chopsticks are 128mm underfoot, I was thinking of the Volkl Bridge which is 95mm.  So... uh, yeah, bad advice.
 

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So this may or may not change things but a friend just gave me a pair of 185cm Volkl Chopsticks that he's too tall for.

 

My one ski quiver seems to have expanded to 2.

 

Thanks to the great advice on here, these are the skis that are the leaders for my $

 

Rossignol S3 Freeride

Dynastar Legend Sultan 94

Blizzard Bonafide

Saloman Shogun

Line Prophet 90 or 100 (not sure)

 

How big of a difference is going from 90 underfoot to 100?  How much ability to carve is lost in those 10 mm?



 


Edited by JayT - 6/5/11 at 10:10am
post #19 of 20

I'm not looking up the chopsticks dimensions, but they are fairly wide (Jay??). what place will they fill for you in your quiver? they are nicely spaced from your Kendo's, if I follow what you're saying. If you intend to use them as a powder ski, your list can change to a more modern design, which would add something considerably different than you have. (the chopstick has a symetrical design, good for switch in powder, but not the same design principal as most powder skis). The chopstick is a ski that came and went pretty fast for some reason, and you have to wonder why. don't see them much any more.

post #20 of 20

Yeah, I confused the Chopstick for the Bridge in my previous post...
 

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I'm not looking up the chopsticks dimensions, but they are fairly wide (Jay??). what place will they fill for you in your quiver? they are nicely spaced from your Kendo's, if I follow what you're saying. If you intend to use them as a powder ski, your list can change to a more modern design, which would add something considerably different than you have. (the chopstick has a symetrical design, good for switch in powder, but not the same design principal as most powder skis). The chopstick is a ski that came and went pretty fast for some reason, and you have to wonder why. don't see them much any more.



 

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