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When does one season end and the next begin?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

Skier days specifically. Forget the Bob Peters of the world who have skied in 150+ (or is it 160 now?) straight months and truly experience endless winters. I am talking for us mere mortals. This is a discussion we have had off and on for a while. The subject came back to my mind when Squaw announced that they will be open for July 4th weekend but according to unofficialsquaw.com, THIS years season passes will not be good but the 2011-12 WILL. 

 

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Squaw will be open:

July 2nd, 3rd, & 4th

Squaw hasn’t released details of what will be open nor how much tickets will be, but we’ll letcha know as soon as they do .

If you have purchased a 2011-12 season pass by then, you’ll be able to use it that weekend.  2010-11 season passes won’t work.

More Details forthcoming…

 

I thought this was odd. In my mind, the "new" season begins when the new gear guides come out in September and any skiing up till 9/1 count to the previous season. 

 

So, when does next year start? 

 

post #2 of 21

Interesting. Guess they are dangling the carrot for those that want to ski so that they'll ante up in July for next season instead of in the fall. Good for the resort's cash flow.

 

I just called A-Basin and they waffled but thought that my 10-11 VR Colorado pass would be honored. A 11-12 pass would be, for sure.

post #3 of 21

I think it should only count as the new season if they were to open July 4th weekend and stay open from then through 2011/12 season.

 

Hard to feel bad for you though Phil. Sorry but no sympathy here wink.gif

post #4 of 21

Sept through June+ (this year) is what I consider a ski season in North America.... It must all start with WROD and end with fast vanishing corn surrounded by earth (or in some cases just not enough folks wanting to still ski)

post #5 of 21

For regulars at Squaw, that pass year distinction doesn't come into play much because you have to have your pass by then to take advantage of the low pre-season rates. how many people who had the 10-11 will not be returning to Squaw in 11-12?

post #6 of 21

I don't think it's that big of a deal... their way of rewarding those who have decided to stick with them for 2011 / 12.  I mean, I get why some people would be annoyed though.

post #7 of 21

Okay.  I have the one right, true, correct, indisputable answer to the question of when the old season ends and the new one begins.  This is somewhat complicated, so pay attention, kids.

 

1.  It is always old season until the summer solstice on June 21.

 

2.  AFTER June 21, it can be either/or depending on the weather.  If it's after the summer solstice but you're skiing old snow, it still counts as last season.  If it snows AFTER the summer solstice and you're skiing the new snow, then it's the NEW season.

 


To illustrate, last September we had a freaky little storm in September that dumped nearly a foot of snow at the top of Rendezvous Bowl.  I went up the next morning and skied that new snow on an absolutely delightful day in beautiful sunshine.  Here are a couple of photos:

 

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And because this was NEW snow that had fallen AFTER the summer solstice, this counted as the NEW SEASON.  All of that added up to me being happy:

 

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post #8 of 21

Yeah I always assumed if I'm skiing old snow, it's still last season.  That even goes for Mt. Hood through August.  Latest I've been there was August 17 and 18 and I still considered it last season.

post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post

Okay.  I have the one right, true, correct, indisputable answer to the question of when the old season ends and the new one begins.  This is somewhat complicated, so pay attention, kids.

 

1.  It is always old season until the summer solstice on June 21.

 

2.  AFTER June 21, it can be either/or depending on the weather.  If it's after the summer solstice but you're skiing old snow, it still counts as last season.  If it snows AFTER the summer solstice and you're skiing the new snow, then it's the NEW season.

 


To illustrate, last September we had a freaky little storm in September that dumped nearly a foot of snow at the top of Rendezvous Bowl.  I went up the next morning and skied that new snow on an absolutely delightful day in beautiful sunshine.  Here are a couple of photos:

 

1000x500px-LL-13445970_1c-BobSkiingTopofRendezvous9-11-2010.jpg

 

And because this was NEW snow that had fallen AFTER the summer solstice, this counted as the NEW SEASON.  All of that added up to me being happy:

 

1000x500px-LL-0648c8a8_1c-BobLookingatline.jpg


Bob Peters has spoke. /end thread. 

 

 

So Bob....How many months in a row now? 

 

post #10 of 21

I'll buy the summer solstice theory.  On the few occasions that I have skied new snow in Sept. & Oct. I have always considered that the new season.

 

Squaw should honor both years passes, but they wouldn't really care what I think.

 

JF

post #11 of 21

June 1, 2011

 

Hi Bears:

 

How about when it's not clear cut and there is a mixture of old and new snow?  Can't say that I have this problem of old and/or new snow here in the banana belts thoughmad.gif.

 

Think snow (old or new depending on whether you renewed your pass yetwink.gif)

 

CP

 

post #12 of 21

Definitely old snow is old season. Also, what about employee contracts? I don't know how those work, but if they are using 10/11 employees, it's still 10/11. 

 

In the end, skiing on July 4! Wow.

post #13 of 21

How would glacier skiing fit into the BP theory, or Southern Hemisphere trips? 

 

This makes my head hurt!  Can we talk about something we all agree about like helmets or traversing?

post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by CharlieP View Post

June 1, 2011

 

Hi Bears:

 

How about when it's not clear cut and there is a mixture of old and new snow?  

CP

 



CharlieP, Bob Peters skis so fast that he can ski around the world and punch himself in the back of the head. Do you really think he'd have a problem not skiing only the new snow?

 

I'm still having a problem with Philpug classifying himsel amoung us "mere mortals".

 

:)

 

post #15 of 21

So, I guess we'll need to use new brand new wax cakes/bars/bottles/tubes after the equinox as well since the ones opened previous to that date spoil on June 21st as well.Rules.gif

post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post

Okay.  I have the one right, true, correct, indisputable answer to the question of when the old season ends and the new one begins.  This is somewhat complicated, so pay attention, kids.

 

1.  It is always old season until the summer solstice on June 21.

 

2.  AFTER June 21, it can be either/or depending on the weather.  If it's after the summer solstice but you're skiing old snow, it still counts as last season.  If it snows AFTER the summer solstice and you're skiing the new snow, then it's the NEW season.

 


 


Agree with point 1. Respectfully disagree with point 2. Just go with the calendar. It reconciles both hemispheres nicely. Otherwise you get into debates about camel hairs & stuff... smile.gif

 

post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

 

 

So Bob....How many months in a row now? 

 


Heh.

 

Well, I skied Glory Peak off Teton Pass this morning. No photos of the skiing, but this is where I was at 7:30 this morning:IMG_8888.jpg

 

That means June is in the books now, so that is month # 165.  

 

Assuming I make it to September, it'll be fourteen years.

 

Pretty dumb in many ways but I've had a lot of fun along the way.

 

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Originally Posted by CharlieP View Post

June 1, 2011

 

Hi Bears:

 

How about when it's not clear cut and there is a mixture of old and new snow?  

 

 

This is an "eye of the beholder" thing.  At high elevations, you often get little snowstorms through the summer.  They drop a few inches of new snow but then that snow melts pretty quickly and you end up with the old snow again.  Nevertheless, in my opinion if you ski while that new snow is there, it counts as NEW season.

 

These rules are completely arbitrary, of course.  YMMV.

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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

 

Agree with point 1. Respectfully disagree with point 2. Just go with the calendar. It reconciles both hemispheres nicely. Otherwise you get into debates about camel hairs & stuff... smile.gif

 

 

A hard date on the calendar certainly would make things much more clear, but where's the fun in that? duel.gif
 

 

post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 

I am going by 2 things...

 

A. MY season starts when the new buyers guide comes out. September. Not that I ever skied in September, I have in October. 

 

3. The Facebook app I use keeps track of the season days (62 so far THIS season) when that changes to the next season I will too. Or else how would I keep track?

 

 

165 straight months. THAT is damn impressive. Cal Ripken has NOTHING on you.  

post #19 of 21

Congratulations, Bob. That is a great string. Keeping the body good to go is top priority. Skiing smart is how you did it. No wonder you're ambiguous (floating dates) as to when one season ends and another begins....

post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

I am going by 2 things...

 

A. MY season starts when the new buyers guide comes out. September. Not that I ever skied in September, I have in October. 

 

3. The Facebook app I use keeps track of the season days (62 so far THIS season) when that changes to the next season I will too. Or else how would I keep track?

 

 

165 straight months. THAT is damn impressive. Cal Ripken has NOTHING on you.  




The season ends when they tee off for the first round of the Masters.  It begins anytime after the PGA.

post #21 of 21

I usually go by this one easy rule:   Skiing season never ends, its just a frame of mind. So how many days? If you still need to count them, you haven't skied enough. icon14.gif

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