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post #1 of 183
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Hey all you skiers maybe going through withdrawal following this spectacular season (except in Colorado, where Arapahoe Basin is still going strong!) . . . I've got just the thing for you. Here's a video clip of a variety of crud skiing, mostly on steep to very steep terrain (includes the Hanging Valley Wall and Cirque at Snowmass, Highland Bowl at Aspen Highlands, the Headwaters Chutes at Moonlight Basin, the First Notch and other North Pole Chutes above Arapahoe Basin's East Wall, and Spaulding, Tucker, Copper, Jupiter, and Union Bowls at Copper Mountain, among others).

 

Not much explicit instruction in it, beyond just a spectrum of good images, although I may add more at some point. Variable, inconsistent conditions (ie. "Crud") demand the full package of skiing skills, movement options, and tactical decision-making, combined with the will to accept and ski through imbalance, and to remain "offensive" even when conditions and terrain become intimidating. Although it ranges from just mildly more challenging than "good" (that is, "easy") groomed snow, "crud" includes some of the most demanding, obnoxious conditions known to skiing. Anyone can ski untracked powder. Enjoying the full experience of crud requires a well-rounded, versatile, adaptable, unbiased technical and tactical repertoire, in addition to a fascination with the challenge itself. Transcend the quest for "the perfect turn," dig deep, and embrace the athleticism, freedom, unpredictability, and chaos (and occasional crash) that are crud skiing.

 

There are only two kinds of conditions: conditions that are good, and conditions that are good for you!

 

Without further ado, then, for your enjoyment and discussion:

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Best regards,

Bob Barnes

post #2 of 183

Like the video a lot, good balance between information and an exciting look!

 

any chance you can list the various skiiers who are ripping it up for me? I know there's a few!! But would love to know who they all are..

post #3 of 183
Thread Starter 

Hi Rollo87--

 

The skiers are all listed in the credits at the end. When I get a chance, I'll put together a key to show who is who, and where each run is in the video.

 

Best regards,

Bob

post #4 of 183
Great stuff Bob. I skied with Toonsie in December at the Snow Pro Jam. Where is he in the video?
post #5 of 183
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Hi SMJ--Toons, in bright red, appears briefly at 01:14 and again, in Highland Bowl at Aspen Highlands, at 07:06.

 

It was great to ski with him, and to see him back in Colorado. He is still the Alpine Committee Chair for PSIA in the east, but we're happy to have him back in Colorado, any time!

 

Best regards,

Bob

 

[Edit 3/11/2012--I have updated the embedded video clip so the timings in this thread are no longer necessarily accurate. However, the ending segment, beginning at about 12:45, shows who's who in the video. --Bob]

post #6 of 183
Thanks for the timings Bob. I think he is the best clinic leader I've ever had. Had him for 5 days in a row, although the morning of the 5th day is when I blew up my shoulder in the condo, healing from the surgery on that right now.
post #7 of 183

Great video, Bob. Thanks for sharing. Definitely helped with the doldrums that are accompanying the end of my ski season.

post #8 of 183

Thanks for the video. Great skiing. One guy that stood out apart from the master BB himself was the one in green jacket with a white zipper and red hat. Ripping cruddology. BTW, what camera did you guys use and what program for edit?

post #9 of 183

Would rather watch that than all the powder videos.  Some really good skiers skiing really well  popcorn.gif, thanks Bob.

post #10 of 183

Great video Bob!  Thanks for sharing it!  My legs are burning just watching it!biggrin.gif  A guy that I've been working with is struggling with the whole idea of moving his COM in the direction of his new turn.  This video might just clear it up for him!


Edited by Snowmiser - 5/24/11 at 1:54pm
post #11 of 183

It's the perfect entertainment as I curl up in front of the fire under my down throw. (This is how the first week of summer vacation goes, right?) 

post #12 of 183

That was really fun to watch.  Nicely done.

post #13 of 183
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That was really fun to watch.  Nicely done.


May 24, 2011

 

Hi Kevin:

 

Congratulations on your coming out performance.  Next time we meet at Stowe, I expect you to be in the ranks of the coaches giving coaching to the participtantsicon14.gifbiggrin.gif.  Great skiing.smile.gif

 

Think snow,

 

CP

post #14 of 183

Thanks for the vid!  Well done.

JF

post #15 of 183

Wow.  You and your crew are amazing photographers.

It does look like you had a high grade of crud -- I would call most of that "lightly stirred powder."

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May 24, 2011

 

Hi Kevin:

 

Congratulations on your coming out performance.  Next time we meet at Stowe, I expect you to be in the ranks of the coaches giving coaching to the participtantsicon14.gifbiggrin.gif.  Great skiing.smile.gif

 

Think snow,

 

CP


Well, you know, if the powers that be ever decide to include me in the coaching ranks, I certainly have the phrases down:

  • Right tip right to go right, left tip left to go left
  • TAKE UP SPACE!!!!!!
  • There are only two types of snow:  good, and good for you.
  • Pivot slowly, slip quickly
  • That...  ain't it.
  • No.  Do.  Or do not.  There is no try.  (just checking if anybody is paying attention here...)
  • Make fast normal.
  • if you want to taste the ice / bumps / crud / powder / slush, you gotta eat some!
  • Make V's for Vail, not A's for uhhhhh, Alyeska
  • YES YES YES OH YES YES THAT'S IT OH YES!  (works best if the instructor and the student are of opposite genders and you happen to be under the lift at the time...)
  • And, of course, an 8 hour soliloquy on the total awesomeness of pivot slips.

 

biggrin.gif

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  (just checking if anybody is paying attention here...)

biggrin.gif



Of course we are!

post #18 of 183

nice yodaism Kevin I use it all the time.

 

I love crud but do not think it is all that hard to ski, ICE on the other hand everyone else can have it. Ill take crud any day over ice.

 

great video Bob. I think we need to do TCEOS video for trees on this coast.......

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  • YES YES YES OH YES YES THAT'S IT OH YES!  (works best if the instructor and the student are of opposite genders and you happen to be under the lift at the time..

 



... or English majors who will suddenly recall the Cliff Notes version of Ulysses....

post #20 of 183
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Ill take crud any day over ice.

 



A-men.

post #21 of 183
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  • No.  Do.  Or do not.  There is no try.  (just checking if anybody is paying attention here...)

 

biggrin.gif


You forgot part of the line. I believe it goes:

 

No. Try not. Do . . . or do not. There is no try.

 

Not to split hairs. Just sayin'.

 

biggrin.gif

 

post #22 of 183
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What?? So I take it I can't count on you guys to subscribe to my favorite magazine, huh?

 

eb7ab549_IceMagazine.jpg

 

I like ice!

 

wink.gif

 

Best regards,

Bob

post #23 of 183
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What?? So I take it I can't count on you guys to subscribe to my favorite magazine, huh?

 

eb7ab549_IceMagazine.jpg

 

I like ice!

 

wink.gif

 

Best regards,

Bob

 

May 24, 2011

 

Hi Bob:

 

At $12.95/copy who can afford toth_dunno-1[1].gifdevil.gif?

 

Think snow (not ICE),

 

CP
 

 

post #24 of 183
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Originally Posted by Bob Barnes View Post

What?? So I take it I can't count on you guys to subscribe to my favorite magazine, huh?

 

eb7ab549_IceMagazine.jpg

 

I like ice!

 

wink.gif

 

Best regards,

Bob


 

your photochop skills are quick.

 

I literally have friend in Pa that LOVE ice because it let there skis be twisted and slid sideways more easily......

 

they are clearly not the type of people I ski with.

 

 

 

post #25 of 183
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Originally Posted by Bob Barnes View Post

What?? So I take it I can't count on you guys to subscribe to my favorite magazine, huh?

 

eb7ab549_IceMagazine.jpg

 

I like ice!

 

wink.gif

 

Best regards,

Bob



LOL, my kind of mag. No Virginia..... hahahaaaa.

 

post #26 of 183

I just have to say that for a guy with busted hips and knees, Weems sure can ski.

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I just have to say that for a guy with busted hips and knees, Weems sure can ski.



And weems was the guy in........?

 

post #28 of 183
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You forgot part of the line. I believe it goes:

 

No. Try not. Do . . . or do not. There is no try.

 

Not to split hairs. Just sayin'.

 

biggrin.gif

 



AIGH!  I misquoted Yoda.  May the Force be with me in the future.

post #29 of 183
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Weems is in red at 00:38 and 02:28 (with CGeib right behind him in black), skiing down a steep ridge at Big Sky, Montana. And yes, that footage was shot on what may have been his last day with his "starter knees"--which have become bionic wonders since then. You should see him now. Kinda' makes me want a pair of those new-fangled titanium masterpieces myself!

 

Best regards,

Bob

 

PS: Since we're on page two already (wow--thanks for watching and for all the comments, everyone!), I'll put the clip here too.

 

 

[Edit 3/11/2012--I have updated the embedded video clip so the timings in this thread are no longer necessarily accurate. However, the ending segment, beginning at about 12:45, shows who's who in the video. --Bob]

post #30 of 183

Nice video work.  Most of the snow on the video looked really nice and easily skiable.  How about another one with really challenging conditions like broken crust, thick, heavy, cut up glop in moguls, or avalanche debris ice balls?  I would love to see some of these excellent skiers working on that kind of stuff.  I'm sure that I would learn something good from that.

 

I hope that this doesn't seem like a put down of the video, it's not intended that way.  I would just like to see more extreme crud conditions handled really well.  I can't recall ever watching such a thing except live, and then you can't rewind and really go to school on it.  Since crud is what I ski most, I would find it really useful.

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