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post #151 of 169
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Um, No!  Mrs Jimmy should get her own skis that she wants and loves.  I can help her with that.......trust me!biggrin.gif

 

As for your quiver, I'd get the Blizzard Magnum 8.1 to compliment the The One, and use one set of bindings for both pair, easy for travel!

 



No doubt.

 

I skied one run on neal's 8.7 nasty hard groomers you remember.

 

Griffons on 8.1? naaa prolly need binders too

 

How long? I don't think these skis will get out of MASH gotta go margarita time

 

post #152 of 169
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No doubt.

 

I skied one run on neal's 8.7 nasty hard groomers you remember.

 

Griffons on 8.1? naaa prolly need binders too

 

How long? I don't think these skis will get out of MASH gotta go margarita time

 


why couldnt you use griffons on 8.1s?

 

post #153 of 169


 

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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post



Absolutely, and  anybody could play a round of golf using only one club.  I've known quite a few very good players that typically play using only three or four of the clubs in their bags but still carry as many as they can just in case. 
 

 


I think the golf club thing is more than a metaphor.  As I understand it, the theory in golf is you swing the same, but use different clubs to get different outcomes.  That has always seemed odd to me... it would make more sense to have maybe 3 clubs and fill in between them by changing what you do.

 

Same with skis... if you like the golf model, you might like to many. many different skis for the exact conditions of the day.  That doesn't match the way I feel about it. If I have more than one ski, I want them to be really different from one another.

post #154 of 169
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I think the golf club thing is more than a metaphor.  As I understand it, the theory in golf is you swing the same, but use different clubs to get different outcomes.  That has always seemed odd to me... it would make more sense to have maybe 3 clubs and fill in between them by changing what you do.

 

Same with skis... if you like the golf model, you might like to many. many different skis for the exact conditions of the day.  That doesn't match the way I feel about it. If I have more than one ski, I want them to be really different from one another.


The post I've been waiting for...

 

44ea6ea1_ski+bag.jpg
 

 

post #155 of 169

Way off with the golf analogy... no way is anyone going to shoot anywhere close to their best scores with just a few clubs.  In particular, most better players tend to hit the ball further so the distance gaps covered by a full bag of 14 clubs is already pretty significant.  I wish I could carry 15.  I carry 4 wedges alone (PW, GW, SW, LW) and the idea of being able to just back off my pitching wedge (125 - 135 yards normally) for a 75 or 90 yard shot on a consistent basis just isn't realistic.  No one has that kind of touch - consistently - including the likes of Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus.  Also, you do not swing the same with all clubs - not if you're a good golfer.  A driver hits the ball on the upswing, you may have a normal downward impact swing for most of your irons, but then for your wedges you shouldn't be taking the full length rotational swing that you do with say a 5-iron.  There are also swing plane differences.
 

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I think the golf club thing is more than a metaphor.  As I understand it, the theory in golf is you swing the same, but use different clubs to get different outcomes.  That has always seemed odd to me... it would make more sense to have maybe 3 clubs and fill in between them by changing what you do.

 

Same with skis... if you like the golf model, you might like to many. many different skis for the exact conditions of the day.  That doesn't match the way I feel about it. If I have more than one ski, I want them to be really different from one another.



 

post #156 of 169
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The post I've been waiting for...

 

44ea6ea1_ski+bag.jpg
 

 


There is a great video...somewhere of a skier with a ski caddy. It is hysterical. IIRC, the skier gets a bit off the groomer/fairway into the crud/rough, and the caddy brings him over his crud skis. He gets back over onto the groomer (like 2 turns) then the caddy gives him back his carvers.

 

I cannot find it anywhere.....help. 

 

post #157 of 169

I have been skiing over 40 years now and I have had seasons where I have had more than one ski to choose from and some seasons where I demo and did not own any skis. I have to say that one thing that I have learned is to adhere to the KISS rule. That is to "keep it simple stupid". More is not better and the grass is never greener on the other side of the ski. More is just more, only more confusing. Learn to ski what you have and ignore the hype. Lessons and ski miles. There is no substitute.

 

My two cents,

Badfahts

2011 Atomic Blackeye TI, 174's

post #158 of 169
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Originally Posted by mdf View Post

I think the golf club thing is more than a metaphor.  As I understand it, the theory in golf is you swing the same, but use different clubs to get different outcomes.  That has always seemed odd to me... it would make more sense to have maybe 3 clubs and fill in between them by changing what you do.

 

Same with skis... if you like the golf model, you might like to many. many different skis for the exact conditions of the day.  That doesn't match the way I feel about it. If I have more than one ski, I want them to be really different from one another.


So you're saying that maybe Lindsey Vonn should use the same skis for SL and GS and maybe a second pair for SG and DH?  I'm thinking nobody is that good to the point where they could get away with that and still beat other folks that use specialized skis..

 

post #159 of 169
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Originally Posted by badfahts View Post

I have to say that one thing that I have learned is to adhere to the KISS rule. That is to "keep it simple stupid". 

 

by "stupid" do you mean stupid fresh?

 

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The post I've been waiting for...

 

44ea6ea1_ski+bag.jpg
 

 

 

They need caddies.

Edit - Bah, humbug.  I see Phil beat me to it.

post #161 of 169


 

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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post




So you're saying that maybe Lindsey Vonn should use the same skis for SL and GS and maybe a second pair for SG and DH?  I'm thinking nobody is that good to the point where they could get away with that and still beat other folks that use specialized skis..

 

Ok, here is another way to look at.  Most of us aren't good enough for the difference in skis to be meaningful.  Well many of us.  Ok, some of us.  Hmmm, at least one of us.

 

 

But your example is a bit exaggerated.  DH is not within the spectrum of recreational skiing you can do without being in a racing program, and SG is marginal.  So SL and GS are actually fairly far apart on the spectrum.  Even I can feel the difference between my SL skis (which I rarely use) and my Coombas, which feel like GS skis on hardpack.

 

And back to the golf thing. I would bet that for a vast majority of real-world golfers, the difference between adjacent clubs is purely psychological.  The statistical spread in outcome with each club overlaps the spread in outcome with the next club by far more than the difference in their mean.  Sure, when top golfers choose a club they mean it, but they are by definition unusual.
 

 

post #162 of 169
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Originally Posted by mdf View Post
  DH is not within the spectrum of recreational skiing you can do without being in a racing program,

Not only is DH within the spectrum of recreational skiing, it is the most exciting end of the spectrum.snowfight.gif  Although you can get away with a good pair of old-school SG skis for it.devil.gif

post #163 of 169

 

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Not only is DH within the spectrum of recreational skiing, it is the most exciting end of the spectrum.snowfight.gif  Although you can get away with a good pair of old-school SG skis for it.devil.gif



You gonna say thanks for pitching that softball, or what?

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Ok, here is another way to look at.  Most of us aren't good enough for the difference in skis to be meaningful.  Well many of us.  Ok, some of us.  Hmmm, at least one of us.

 



I look at it a bit differently..... Most of us aren't good enough to ski ONE ski in all conditions, on all terrain. Having different skis makes each day both easier and more FUN. That works for me!

 

 

post #165 of 169
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post



 



I look at it a bit differently..... Most of us aren't good enough to ski ONE ski in all conditions, on all terrain. Having different skis makes each day both easier and more FUN. That works for me!

 

 


A good way to look at it. 

 

post #166 of 169
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post




There is a great video...somewhere of a skier with a ski caddy. It is hysterical. IIRC, the skier gets a bit off the groomer/fairway into the crud/rough, and the caddy brings him over his crud skis. He gets back over onto the groomer (like 2 turns) then the caddy gives him back his carvers.

 

I cannot find it anywhere.....help. 

 


Since I nor anyone else can find it, it might have to be on my "to do" list for next year. 

 

post #167 of 169

I couldn't disagree with you more.  Having more degree variety probably benefits middle-and-lower tier golfers even more than advanced golfers.  It's not easy to blast your 7 iron as far as your 6 iron - not with the same amount of accuracy.  It can be just as difficult to back off on the distance as well.
 

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Originally Posted by mdf View Post

And back to the golf thing. I would bet that for a vast majority of real-world golfers, the difference between adjacent clubs is purely psychological.  The statistical spread in outcome with each club overlaps the spread in outcome with the next club by far more than the difference in their mean.  Sure, when top golfers choose a club they mean it, but they are by definition unusual.
 



 

post #168 of 169

The only advantage to a one ski quiver is that you save money and time.

 

You save money by only having one pair of skis. You save time by only having one pair to tune and wax. You also save time going out to the parking lot to switch skis out. But, most of the time I only ski the pair of skis I start the day with.

post #169 of 169

The thing about multiple skis in your quiver is this - there are lots of days throughout a ski season where you you will be skiing 40 cm of uncut powder at 9, but by 11 it's all chopped up, and if it's a warmer day, it can be like mashed potatoes farther down the mountain at lower elevation.  By one the bottom has taken a lot of traffic and is catchy and almost icy.  On some days it may even be snowing on the top and raining on the bottom.   I have skied for 40 years, and presently ski over 100 days a season.  For years we all skied all of the above on one ski - the only one we owned.  Then I went through this phase where I had 2 skis.  Once you come to this point, your head gets in the way, and half way down the mountain, as conditions have changed, you find yourself wishing you had your other skis - that you can't ski this stuff well enough on the ones you have.  With all the different skis out there today, it IS possible to find ONE ski that ALMOST does it all, within reason (don't refer to racing because it doesn't apply to 99% of us).  You just have to look around.  For me the epiphany occurred at the end of the last ski season - I demoed the Line Prophet 100 skis.   I posted about this a couple months ago.  The only thing they don't do well is tight bumps, but who cares - I don't miss them.  The point is that there is a ski out there that will do it all for you - you just have to find it.  It's got nothing to do with the money for 2 sets of skis.

As another guy on the forum said,

My two cents worth.

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