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post #31 of 44
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Best advice so far.  It just so happens that Salt Lake Tracon is there too right next to the freeway.  They do alot of Air Traffic Controller training in Salt Lake City.  And really you got 10 ski resorts to choose from.

 

As far as that other suggestion for Tahoe, I'm fairly certain you can't just walk onto a ATC job at Reno or Sac whenever you are ready.  There have to be slots open.  Since Reno and SMF are both desireable places to live, they are probably already filled with Controllers who want to be there.



Actually Denver Center and Salt Lake Center are the two airports I'm shooting for.  I'm pretty sure Salt Lake Tracon is a level 11, they probably won't take trainee's straight out of the academy.  Regardless, you can't walk on to any facility.  I'm waiting for a job code from the FAA, from there I'll get to input my two states (looking like Colorado and Utah, maybe Montana just because there are smaller airports there.)  After that, I get a call from the Academy when they are ready to train me.

I'm looking into housing in Summit Count, looks like my best bet is to live in Dillon or Frisco or Silverthorne.  

post #32 of 44

I did the ski bum thing after college -- I finished in December and then headed out to Salt Lake City in January. I got a job at Snowbird as a lift operator three days a week, which was enough for a free pass to Snowbird and Alta, a free bus pass and enough to pay for food and a shared apartment down in the city. I also got to ski quite a bit while I was working. Best decision I had made up to that point in my life. SLC is a pretty good spot for free/cheap transportation up to the resorts, lots of low cost housing and very close proximity to the resorts.

post #33 of 44
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I just graduated from college and have about 18 months before my career starts.  I've always wanted to be a ski bum, and this is my chance!  Here are the things that I want to know:

1) My hardest choice will be between Colorado and Lake Tahoe.  I really like Keystone, Copper, Breckenridge and winter park.  But my parents had a time share in Tahoe and I loved all the resorts there as well.  What would you recommend and why?  I'm sure my next few questions will give you a better understanding of what I want to do.

2) What to do for a job?  I have no experience in the service industry, so I'm guessing bartending or serving would be very tough to get into.  If not, please let me know where to start!  One of my options is to deal blackjack in Blackhawk Colorado at the casino there, however that'd be an hour or more from the slopes, so I'm not so sure about that.  Another option is working at a resort itself, I think this is my best option.  I've been told that I can get a free season pass to surrounding resorts as well, and possibly housing?

If there is ANYWHERE I could get a free season pass and housing, that would be fantastic.  I'm guessing the housing would be with close to my age (22) that are out in the mountains chasing the same dream as I am.  Anywhere else where I can find a great job?  I'm planning to move out there before the season starts, in late August or early September.  I don't have much for student loans, and will be happy just paying the bills.  Alcohol and night life stuff is what's going to be the most expensive for me.

3) Housing.  As I said, if I can find free or cheap housing that would be ideal.  If not, where can I find reasonable housing?  I'm from Minnesota, and have heard that rent is almost double out in Colorado.  What can I do about this while still living fairly close to the mountain?

Those are my main questions and criteria, these last three are important, but not as high on the list.

4) Night life and girls.  Everything I've heard and seen is that the guy to girl ratio is horrible in a ski town.  Anywhere that this is not true or less true?  Still hoping the meet the girl of my dreams on the slopes or one that can keep up with me.

5) Snowkiting.  I'm sure it's popular out in the mountains.  Basically use a very large kite and wind power to ski across flat ground or even up hill.  with the right wind it can replace hiking to get to back country terrain.  Any good areas in CO or Tahoe for this?  I've heard that lake dillion is a popular destination.

6) Rock climbing during the off season.  I'm also a big climbing fanatic.  Would love to do as much sport climbing as possible if I stay out there for the summer.  I've heard CO has good climbing, any other areas?

Thanks in advance for your advice, It will help me a lot in making my decisions.

Well,,,,,   I'm originally from colorado and I worked in BLACKHAWK for 7 years, (Gold mine casino, it's closed now)  soo.......   Here goes,  first off you need a Colorado gaming license,  not sure how long it takes these days but I am sure its about a month.   Second,  the commute from Dillon to Blackhawk would suck, there is a new portion of hwy that they opened that dumps you into Central city from Idaho springs, which cuts off some miles making it a little easier.    the commute in the winter from Winterpark to Blackhawk could be worse, Berthode pass (HWY 40) gets pretty bad and then dumps you out on I70 which blows as well.    Third,  I not sure how Central city is doing these days but Blackhawk was always busier back in the 90's, so I would seek employment in Blackhawk once you get your gaming license.     As far as Back country access, well that just depends on you, so much out there i don't even know where to begin..      

Rock Climbing,  When I was in my 20's I climbed in Eldorado Canyon, which is just south of boulder,  I am sure there are several places around Dillon, but Eldorado is actually almost built just for rockclimbing, (built by nature).  Plenty of 5-9 and 5-10's s to keep you busy, and of course some 5-11 if you want them. (for the record I never climbed anything more than 5-9)   

So the only negative is the commute, plenty of hotties in Blackhawk and central city to keep you busy.    I were to choose I would live in Idaho springs and commute to skiing, instead of the other way around.  (Idaho springs kind of blows but you are not that far from the resorts and close to Gaming towns and about an hour away from Eldorado Canyon).   hope that helps.    Just look at a map and you will see what I am talking about,  and don't move to George town, that place sucks.      

post #34 of 44
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Just curious.  Do ski bums have any health insurance confused.gif



I do.

 

but I pay for it by myself(about 1100 a year) and admittedly against state run health care because its more money out of my pocket than me paying for it.

 

curious though why do you ask because most 'ski bums" dont have it to save money and most ski bums cant make the choice for themselves so they want obama care.

post #35 of 44

You might feel differently about health insurance when your rate starts to go through the roof in a few years as you get older.  Mine is outrageous.  I am twice your age, but still healthy and not on any medications, but my wife and I pay through the butt for not much insurance.  I think health care is one of our countries biggest problems and one that will need to be dealt with in a more real fashion than "Obamacare".
 

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I do.

 

but I pay for it by myself(about 1100 a year) and admittedly against state run health care because its more money out of my pocket than me paying for it.

 

curious though why do you ask because most 'ski bums" dont have it to save money and most ski bums cant make the choice for themselves so they want obama care.



 

post #36 of 44

Or when you have kids.  With two little kids and my wife and myself (31 and 30 years old in perfect health), my family is now looking at an annual health insurance bill of over $15k per year.  And that's with a company group policy and a $30 per visit co-pay!  Ridiculous... I'd much rather pump that money into the economy buying more skis for my quiver and taking a trip to Aspen or Whistler.  ;-)
 

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You might feel differently about health insurance when your rate starts to go through the roof in a few years as you get older.  Mine is outrageous.  I am twice your age, but still healthy and not on any medications, but my wife and I pay through the butt for not much insurance.  I think health care is one of our countries biggest problems and one that will need to be dealt with in a more real fashion than "Obamacare".
 



 

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curious though why do you ask because most 'ski bums" dont have it to save money and most ski bums cant make the choice for themselves so they want obama care.

I was curious if you are correct that most 'ski bums' don't have health insurance.   I always wondered about that. 
 

 

post #38 of 44
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You might feel differently about health insurance when your rate starts to go through the roof in a few years as you get older.  Mine is outrageous.  I am twice your age, but still healthy and not on any medications, but my wife and I pay through the butt for not much insurance.  I think health care is one of our countries biggest problems and one that will need to be dealt with in a more real fashion than "Obamacare".
 



 



I think insurance should be out lawwed and everyone could pay into there own health care fund and use it when necessary. with out insurance companies running the show medical cost would have to come down due to necessity of people not being able to afford the currently hugely inflated prices. If you arent responsible enough to save the money..........

 

trust me most ski bums dont have health insurance unless they are under age 25 and on their parents health insurance.

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Or when you have kids.  With two little kids and my wife and myself (31 and 30 years old in perfect health), my family is now looking at an annual health insurance bill of over $15k per year.  And that's with a company group policy and a $30 per visit co-pay!  Ridiculous... I'd much rather pump that money into the economy buying more skis for my quiver and taking a trip to Aspen or Whistler.  ;-)
 


Actually, you ARE pumping the money into the economy, just not your own.

 

The insurance pay the doctors, pay the hospital which pay the nurses or technicients. They turn around and buy...skis!

 

If you think having kids adds to the health insurance premium, I'm single and pays about half of what TPJ's premium for a family of 4!

 

It's a vicious cycle. Insurance too expensive so the poor and the young don't pay into it. When they got hurt or got sick, who pay? YOU AND I!!!

 

 

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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA 

If you arent responsible enough to save the money..........

... you will be left to die!

 

That's what's implied. Do you, or the country, have the stomach to do that? If not, I'm a supporter of "obama care". At least everyone is forced to pay for what the rest of us determine: they must not die through their own irresponsibility.

post #40 of 44

That was actually Jayteirneys 15K/year for a family of 4.  I don't have kids.  If I did, I wouldn't be able to be a ski bum.
 

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Actually, you ARE pumping the money into the economy, just not your own.

 

The insurance pay the doctors, pay the hospital which pay the nurses or technicients. They turn around and buy...skis!

 

If you think having kids adds to the health insurance premium, I'm single and pays about half of what TPJ's premium for a family of 4!

 

It's a vicious cycle. Insurance too expensive so the poor and the young don't pay into it. When they got hurt or got sick, who pay? YOU AND I!!!

 

 



 

post #41 of 44


at_nyc  for sure think I qualify as young and poor. 27 and make less than 25 k a year. I still buy insurance though.


I can stomach people who are not as smart or responsible being left to die, or at least with unpayable debt. the deal is with out insurance companies smart people can get further ahead. I am strict darwinist and also libertarian and truly believe in survival of the fittest. Which apparently you do not believe in.

 

I payed 200 bucks outta of pocket this year total to have shoulder checked out where I was basically told there was nothing wrong...which wasnt true, I have a partially torn tricep. My insurance "saved" me 500 bucks on that visit. My bet is with out any insurance companies the cost to have an X ray and see a doctor for 1 hour would be way less 700 bucks. Plus it does irk me I payed 200 bucks out of my pocket for them to not find the problem.

 

Basically instead of paying 1100 bucks a year for insurance, I could pay into my own fund and then pay a lower amount because health care providers would have to charge less because their demand would go way down with no insurance.

 

The PORK that is caused by health insurance companies is staggering,

 

 

also thanks for voting for someone who is now responsible for a staggering amount of unpayable debt.

post #42 of 44

Hmm... I have a lot of friends and family in the health industry (from administration to doctors to nurses) and I'm not sure I agree with this.  There's a lot of really wealthy people at the top making way more money than they should.  Them being able to buy a second home in the Hamptons to compete with their buddies in finance isn't the type of economy pump I was hoping for...
 

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Actually, you ARE pumping the money into the economy, just not your own.

 

The insurance pay the doctors, pay the hospital which pay the nurses or technicients. They turn around and buy...skis!

 

 



 

post #43 of 44

 

Just some random thoughts from someone who's been there / done that (and still doing it):

 

1.  When you start ski bumming your priorities should probably look like: great mountain, great skiing, and great people followed distantly by great job, survivable income, and a decent place to live.

 

2.  If you do this for a few years, because you might like it too much and/or fall into a great job, then you'll find your priorities will change.  #1 will be finding a decent place to live, #2 will be finding a great community, #3 is a survivable income, and then somewhere after all that is where the skiing falls.  (Sure, there are exceptions to this rule, but it's how I think most professional ski bums come to view things.)

 

Therefore, do pay attention now to how well the mountain skis.  You want to find a place where you can run out the door and get a couple of mindblowing runs in with just a few chairlift rides.  So, places like Copper and A Basin are nice, Alta-bird is nice.  Places like Steamboat, Keystone and such are harder.  Your first few years you'll want to try to get a 100 days of skiing in.  Later, you'll only care about getting 100 great runs in.  

 

The next thing is people.  Mountain towns are distinct from the type of folks you find elsewhere.  I think it's important you go to a mountain town and not somewhere like Denver or Salt Lake City.  Those are ok cities, but what you're looking for is a place that has TGR movie premieres at the bar, where it's ok to walk into the coffee shop with your dog, and where there's people named Biff America or Pigger and everyone knows who that is.  There's plenty of time in your life to end up in an urban wasteland.  

 

If I had to choose somewhere to go, it'd be off the beaten path.  Somewhere like Silverton or Whitefish or Sandpoint or Bend or something like that.  Maybe not as important if you're just doing a year because you'll think Frisco or Truckee or Vail is THE COOLEST PLACE YOU'VE EVER BEEN.  

 

Arguably, employee housing... or even housing... isn't that important UNLESS you want your own place.  Then it becomes difficult.  If you don't mind sharing a two bedroom condo with four guys, you'll be fine.  

 

With regards to insurance, most resorts offer some form of short-term insurance you can get, but you also almost always have to pay 100% out of pocket for it.  We have a Blue Cross/Blue Shield program we offer (at least we used to, haven't looked recently) for $99 per month.  It's like a $5000 deductible or something, but it's better than nothing.

post #44 of 44

I just did a session out in summit, this past winter..

now I'm camping all summer in oregon,

 

probably headed back out to summit for another season in the fall,

but i'd definitely like to go work in other mountain towns 

I worked for vail resorts this past session so I know quite a few things about workin for the their company..

employee housing prices depend on if you wanna share a room or not it can range from 250-455 in keystone, breck is more expensive

or you can share a house with a bunch of other skiers/boarders for cheap too depending on how many ppl you wanna put together!

 

& I went the whole session without insurance,

but just got some!...

 

depending on what your looking for thats what town you should choose...

powder/park/backcountry/nightlife/etc 

 

 

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