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Stockli Stormrider XXXL Size Recommendation Please

post #1 of 24
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Shopping for skis for my 24 year old former junior racer son who just finished 5 years in the Marines.  He is 6'2" and about 215 pounds of muscle.  I've found good deals on some 08 Stormrider XXXL's which are available in 178 and 188 lengths.  Looking for recommendations on length.  Wouldn't the 178's be more versatile in cut up powder while still being stable enough for the run outs and groomers?  We live in Utah and ski mostly at Snowbasin.  Thanks in advance for recommendations......

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post #2 of 24

Yes, great cut up powder/crud skis. The 178s would be plenty stable.  188s would require a lot of room and no people on the hill...

post #3 of 24

My $0.02 worth; I'm 6' 1/2" & weigh 195-200 lbs (and 30 yeasr older and have never raced seriously).  I've owned the Stormrider XL @ 174cm and wished it was longer.  I own the Stormrider XXL @ 178cm and find it perfect as an all round ski, but could at times go longer.  If he's riding front side then IMO the 178 cm will be a great fat carver, but I'd lean towards the 188cm.

post #4 of 24

I am 6'4" - 205lbs former racer, in really good shape and am a huge Stockli fan and for your sons size and experience 188 all the way...  The 178 makes no sense to me for his size, strenght and experience...  The 188 will float better, greater stability and unless he is skiing very tight places/terrain than the 188 is hands down a better selection...  If you are looking for a zoomer groomer ski than the XXXL is not the right ski...  I ski the old XL in 194, the XXL in 187 and skiied the XXXL in the 188 and loved it...

post #5 of 24

Probably should have asked more questions.  Does your son want a 27m TR ski (188s) v. a 24m TR ski (178s)? Does that matter to him? Will he be going mach schnell down groomers/open bowls, or mixing in trees/chutes/bumps?  Would the 10cm matter if he's in a tighter spot, or did he like longer skis no matter the terrain anyway?  Has he skied for the 5 years he was in the service, or is this his first year back?  Sometimes its a matter of use/preference.  Either way, Stocklis are sweet skis, so he's lucky that you're setting him up!

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I'm 6'1", 205 pounds, 42 years old, like long walks on the beach, and skiing is my primary exercise.  I ski the Stormrider XL in a 194 on firm days, and rarely wished for it to be shorter.  Then again, I like long turn radius skis.

 

At his height and weight, for use in Utah, I'd go 188 without hesitation.

post #7 of 24

He's a Marine!!! Even at 56, and I'm 20 lbs lighter, I still go full length.

God bless!

post #8 of 24

I might add that your son is built like Bode, same size.

Welcome back and thanks!

post #9 of 24

What about for someone like me who is 20 years old, 5'11", 145lbs and not an ex-racer? I prefer longer skis (normally ride 186 Lhasa Pows) and my 179 Bros feel too short. I know a low-180s XXXL would be perfect, but 178 and 188 are the only options. I know I'll gain weight in the future and I'm afraid the 178 will be too short, but can I handle the 188? I'll be skiing Mammoth (mostly open bowls) and European resorts that are mainly above tree line.

post #10 of 24

You're about 10#s lighter than Dawgcatching.  Read this:  http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/66402/2009-ski-reviews-87mm-and-wider

 

post #11 of 24

the 178cm XXXL thru XL Stormrider skis are a whole lot of ski; can't compare it to most other skis for power relative to length. many advanced, (not expert), skiers I know are unable to handle a 178cm, at 150 to 170 lbs, and end up selling it with their tail between their legs and a far lighter wallet. I have a 166 XL and it is harder (requires more energy, input) to ski than my 176 Legend Pro, by a good bit. With Stockli Stormrider series models, don't go oversize. BTW, I'm 135lb.

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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

the 178cm XXXL thru XL Stormrider skis are a whole lot of ski; can't compare it to most other skis for power relative to length. many advanced, (not expert), skiers I know are unable to handle a 178cm, at 150 to 170 lbs, and end up selling it with their tail between their legs and a far lighter wallet. I have a 166 XL and it is harder (requires more energy, input) to ski than my 176 Legend Pro, by a good bit. With Stockli Stormrider series models, don't go oversize. BTW, I'm 135lb.


Perpetuating myths.  Any ski that works well for a heavier skier will be a chore for a lighter skier.  I weigh just under 200 lbs and have not found any of my Stocklis hard to ski (XL @ 174, XXL @ 178, Laser SX @ 178 and Laser SC @ 170), but if I weighed 30 lbs less I would undoubtably feel differently about the skis and would most probably be on something with a more foregiving flex.
 

 

 

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I get it. by your (more forgiving) math, someone 55 pounds lighter than you should man up and ski a stockli 10cm longer than you ski. brilliant. just so no one perpetuates your concept.

 

Meanwhile, I'm pretty confident recommending people ski the Stormriders true to size and not go over-long, having skied a great pair of XL's for several seasons.

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Taxman View Post

 


Perpetuating myths.  Any ski that works well for a heavier skier will be a chore for a lighter skier.  I weigh just under 200 lbs and have not found any of my Stocklis hard to ski (XL @ 174, XXL @ 178, Laser SX @ 178 and Laser SC @ 170), but if I weighed 30 lbs less I would undoubtably feel differently about the skis and would most probably be on something with a more foregiving flex.
 

 

 



 

post #14 of 24

Had your grumpy pills or just lost in translation across the Pacific (pretty sure we speak english here)?  No where do I suggest Skeeze man up and buy a ski that is too long given that ski's chracteristics.  If they want a ski of a certain length, espcially for off-piste, then perhaps thay should consider something more forgiving than a Stormrider given his weight. And going short (because that in your opinion will work) in these circumstances wouldn't cut it.

 

 

post #15 of 24
Skeeze won't be mislead; 178 for 150#s works. OP's son will be fine on 188s. IMO, someone 200# might also find the 178s stable enough where: a) they're skiing trees; b) they're not still racing/in racing shape; or c) want to relax a bit more. Thinking of it like sizes, Skeeze is a S/M, OP's son is XL.
post #16 of 24

I would not think of using these for tree skiing.  They will still be stiff no matter what length, and tree skiing IMHO benefits heavily from either softer or reverse camber skis.

 

Dav's just grumpy because he's worried that all the Alpine skiers are about to invade Squaw.  It weighs on his mind.

post #17 of 24
Yeah, rather have my CRJs for trees, but in case the XXXLs are a OSQ, I have skied trees/tight spots on the 178s and had fun.

A lot of changes being discussed for Squaw. Personally, I like having AM separate for some of the reasons that Dav stated elsewhere.
post #18 of 24

no, Dav's just grumpy because TM said I'm perpetuating a myth about stiff skis and small skiers (basically acusing me of being inaccurateeek.gif). that's just not the case. given my size, I'm a perfect case study of myself and all matters related to gear for lightweight skiers in general; my life is the research. I dig my XL's and am pretty familiar with their properties. several locals, some small, some large, ride Stockli, and I'm aware of what they think as well, so some experience there with Stormriders of all dimensions. Actually I'm not all that grumpy, but thanks anywaybiggrin.gif.

 

as far as all the inquires regarding what length to buy, Dino has nailed it, IMO.

post #19 of 24

Just trying to get you used to being annoyed by us, Dav.  No worries.

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I have made new friends from Alpine, some of the most low key, hip and skilled skiers I know. Crowds are another thing.

 

Need finish carpentry or cabinets to make that new place home, you know who to call....only the best Austrian machinery in my shop!

 

I was in the parking lot a couple days ago. Tracks  I saw on D6 looked pretty deep. Any consolidation yet?

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I have made new friends from Alpine, some of the most low key, hip and skilled skiers I know. Crowds are another thing.

 

Need finish carpentry or cabinets to make that new place home, you know who to call....only the best Austrian machinery in my shop!

 

I was in the parking lot a couple days ago. Tracks  I saw on D6 looked pretty deep. Any consolidation yet?


Renovation will probably start next year, but great to know -- PM me your work contact info.  Austrian machinery -- does that mean that you plane with a Wintersteiger?

 

Sad to say, I haven't skied since May 1.  Stuck downhill for work, kids, weddings, etc.  Probably heading up on the 26th, and planning to hike for turns on the 27th or more likely the 28th.

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Wow, funny stuff.
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Wow, funny stuff.
Wow. A blast from the past
post #24 of 24
6'2", 215 lb, prime physical condition. Has a race background. So you recommend the 178cm ski?

Well now you have me thinking. Why would Stockli produce this in a 188cm monsterously unskiable behemoth of a steel beam masquerading as sporting equipment? Is this the ski of choice for Shaq? Andre the Giant? The Rock? A sasquatch on steriods? Is it irresponsible to even consider taking these out on a public ski slope, where they seem guaranteed to mame anything in their path?

Stockli has been known to make 201cm versions of some of it's modern fat skis. Who are they for? He-man? Hercules?

Anyway.......

I've got both the stockli SS 188cm and XXXL 188cm. I'm 205 lb, 6'1" and ski in the east. It's a demanding ski but certainly has its moments. It's like a medium flexing heavy GS race ski with 20mm extra width.

Also have some 201cm stockli asteroids, they are a fat SG ski. Not to be trifled with, but can certainly be freeskied with enough practice.

Sheesh.
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