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K2 Lock Jaw poles (was: Would getting pole 5 inches shorter for moguls be too extreme?)

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

I'm trying to get better in moguls. I currently use 50in/125cm poles, based on the traditional test of straight forearm when grasping upside-down pole below the basket while in street shoes.. I've been reading online and in Di Piro's book the suggestion to get shorter poles for moguls. Would 5in shorter (45in poles) be consider a too-great change? Some people are saying they cut their poles down by only 1in, which seems so little as to be unnoticeable.

 

P.S. I need to buy new poles, as my current ones are bent following ... um ... an impressive crash after some major air while ... um ... helicopter skiing in Alaska. Yeah, that sounds good.

 

[EDIT: Mini-review of K2 Lock Jaw poles added 2011-12-21.]


Edited by jeff2010 - 12/21/11 at 7:53pm
post #2 of 16

By the longer ones....and cut them down until you get the right length.  You can always cut more off....cant "cut on".

 

At a guess...5 inches sounds alot...but 3-4 inches wouldnt surprise me.

 

 

PS:  You would notice and inch shorter....just ask your girlfriend.

post #3 of 16

try adjustable poles?

post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by Bielz View Post

try adjustable poles?



^^^^ This. If you have to get new poles anyway, why not go with this? I have a pair of Black Diamonds that I love. They're adjustable and came with both powder and hard-packed snow baskets. Lots of bang for your buck there.

 

Here are the ones I have. Great deal on them now: http://www.backcountry.com/black-diamond-carbon-probe-ski-pole

post #5 of 16

Since you suggested 5 inches and most pole grips are only around 5 inches long, you could take a run with your current poles, gripping them just below the grips right on the pole itself, to see what that length feels like (no straps of course). If the pole itself is really skinny and hard to grip, you could build it up with tape. Anyway, it's a free "demo".

 

IMO you'll find that going from a 50 to a 45 inch pole feels too short. You will also be disadvantaged skating, and even skiing very steep terrain when using an overly short pole (can make you too squatty, and discourage skiing tall - skeletal, blablabla). OTOH, I find shorter poles better for skinning steep terrain...

post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the suggestions. Perhaps an adjustable pole would be my best bet. I'm thinking this one rather than the Black Diamond, mainly because the adjustment range is greater and the color scheme better matches my skis (Volkl AC30) smile.gif :

K2 Lock Jaw -  http://www.evo.com/ski-poles/k2-lock-jaw-aluminum-2011.aspx

 


Edited by jeff2010 - 5/19/11 at 8:05pm
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CHRISfromRI View Post

you could take a run with your current poles


I'd love to take a run with my current poles, even bent as they are, but there's no snow East of the Rockies! :(

 

post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by Bielz View Post

try adjustable poles?



Bigger the bumps the shorter the poles?

post #9 of 16

These are the poles that I've used for the past 3 seasons at about 100 days/season.  They are holding up great and the flip lock works very well...  No slippage.  I don't recommend using them as probes though.  Like every probe ski pole I've ever seen, they are too short and are too problematic to convert.  I have taken and taught many Avy classes, and have never seen anyone reliably convert probe poles in the field.  Get a real probe and carry that.  They are small, light, quick to deploy, and relatively inexpensive.

 

I use the adjustable feature sometimes when touring.  I will lengthen them for the tour and occasionally shorten the uphill pole on a long traverse so that I can keep my shoulders more level and still use the poles for some push.
 

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Originally Posted by DSloan View Post





^^^^ This. If you have to get new poles anyway, why not go with this? I have a pair of Black Diamonds that I love. They're adjustable and came with both powder and hard-packed snow baskets. Lots of bang for your buck there.

 

Here are the ones I have. Great deal on them now: http://www.backcountry.com/black-diamond-carbon-probe-ski-pole



 

post #10 of 16

how tall are you? just my own experience here, but I'm 5'11" to 6' and I use my 44" for everything.  I try to ski as many bumps as possible, but have rarely if ever felt under-poled in other situations.  Mine are due for replacement as well and was debating going larger because of what the measurements say, but I rethought it and decided I should ski what works for me best, not what others think will work best.  I never thought about adjustables but I will consider it for next season.  I torch and re-bend mine when they ding up in the bumps...i suppose i would not be able to do that with the adjustables or higher end materials in modern poles.

post #11 of 16

 

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Originally Posted by GreenDiamonds View Post

...I torch and re-bend mine when they ding up in the bumps...i suppose i would not be able to do that with the adjustables or higher end materials in modern poles.


As far as the aluminum BD ones, they can be bent back into shape though it's a little tricky depending on where the bend is, or you can buy new bottoms for any of them cheap.

 

post #12 of 16

My Goode composite poles have a few inches adjustment from the grip.  They also make poles with 8" & 18" adjustments.

 

http://www.goode.com/skipolemodel3.html#18%20QUICK

 

JF

post #13 of 16

I have adjustable Leki Peak Vario S and like them a lot.  Pricy at full retail, but I got them on sale for ~$70.

 

They come with both powder and racing baskets and I love the detachable strap system.  It makes taking them off to ride the lift very easy.

 

Mike

post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 

I received the K2 Lock Jaw adjustable poles from Evo today:  http://www.evo.com/ski-poles/k2-lock-jaw-aluminum-2011.aspx

They look great and feel solid, and easily adjust over a wide range. The grip and strap are comfortable. I am very pleased with my purchase. Price was $63 with free shipping.


 

 

post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by jeff2010 View Post

I received the K2 Lock Jaw adjustable poles from Evo today:  http://www.evo.com/ski-poles/k2-lock-jaw-aluminum-2011.aspx

They look great and feel solid, and easily adjust over a wide range. The grip and strap are comfortable. I am very pleased with my purchase. Price was $63 with free shipping.


 

 

Good on ya! Do a review and let us know how they work once you get a chance to test them out.
 

 

post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 

I finally had a chance to use the K2 Lock Jaw adjustable ski poles and am very pleased. The setting was 3 days at a ski area, but these poles have features that would make them good for sidecountry/backcountry skiing.

 

The pole easily adjusts to the desired length within a wide range, with very clear markings. I spent most of the time at 5cm (2in) shorter than my usual length (120cm instead of 125cm) and felt they encouraged me to be more forward on my skis for good pole plants. The locking mechanism is very solid at present and seems like it will be durable for the long term. The shortest setting is convenient for transport and storage. The grip was very comfortable. The poles are marked Left and Right, though there isn't much difference between them and I did not notice the L/R until the second day. The straps are good, but perhaps a little short for people who prefer to put their hands in from the bottom and grasp the pole from above the strap. The baskets are for powder rather than racing. The price was more than basic poles ($63) but a drop in the bucket compared to the overall annual cost of skiing.

 

On a long traverse across a steep slope to access advanced terrain, you could quickly adjust one pole longer than the other to compensate for the slope angle. Also, there is a crude inclinometer feature that lets you estimate the slope angle by putting one pole in the snow vertically and the other horizontally and reading off the slope angle where the poles cross.

 

I only have one concern: When removing my skis, I push down on the heel release with my pole. I don't know whether that will put too much stress on the locking mechanism and eventually cause it to loosen. Is there a better way to pop the bindings? (I usually do the second one by stepping on it with my boot, but don't like to do the first one using my ski.)

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